Posted on 12/20/2007 4:52:43 AM PST by TrebleRebel
Anthrax: Source of Fishy, Shaggy Dog Stories Pleads Fifth December 20th, 2007 by Ross E. Getman
In October 2007, the former Criminal Chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, Daniel Seikaly, was deposed in the civil rights action by Steve Hatfill about whether he was the source of leaks relating to Steve Hatfill in connection with Newsweek and Washington Post stories about the use of bloodhounds and the draining of ponds in Frederick, Maryland. Attorney Seikaly pled the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination in connection with most substantive questions.
Attorney Seikaly has had a very distinguished career. In 2001, Mr. Seikaly went from being Assistant Inspector General for Investigations at the Central Intelligence Agency to Criminal Chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. There he supervised eighty-five Assistant United States Attorneys involved in the prosecution of all federal offenses in the District of Columbia. He also served as a technical expert for U.S. Department of State funded rule of law programs in Croatia, Estonia, Kazakhstan, and Thailand. Before accepting the appointment to Criminal Chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, Daniel was Assistant Inspector General for Investigations at the Central Intelligence Agency. While with the CIA, a profile at his current law firm’s webpage explains, “he conducted and supervised numerous investigations concerning allegations of misconduct by employees, contractors and vendors involved in CIA programs. In that position, he routinely interacted with senior officials within the intelligence community, other executive branch agencies and Congress concerning intelligence investigations.” The profile continues: “From 1996 to 1998, Daniel served as an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the Department of Justice and was Director of the Department’s Executive Office for National Security. There he was responsible for the coordination and oversight of the national security activities of the Department of Justice, including intelligence operations, international law enforcement, relations with foreign countries and the use of classified information. Reporting directly to the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General and acting with their authority in national security matters, Daniel was a primary point of contact between the Department of Justice and other executive branch agencies with national security interests such as the National Security Council, the Department of State and the Department of Defense.”
Here are some excerpts from the recent deposition:
“Q. … calls this article, quote ‘An exclusive look at the search for the perpetrator of America’s worst bioterror attack.” Did you tell Mr. Klaidman [of Newsweek] that you were giving him an exclusive on this information?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Did you tell Mr. Klaidman that the FBI was acting on a tip when it searched the pond in Frederick? …
Q. Did you tell Mr. Klaidman that FBI agents had interviewed the acquaintance of Dr. Hatfill’s that was supposedly the tipster?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Did you tell Mr. Klaidman that the acquaintance had told the FBI that Dr. Hatfill said toxic bacteria could be made in the woods and the evidence could be tossed in the lake?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Did you tell Mr. Klaidman that the FBI might drain the entire pond the month after this report?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
[Lawyer defending deposition] Mark, let me say something on the record so we all understand the assertion because the manner in which — or the type of questions you’re asking here. My client has been instructed to assert the Fifth Amendment privilege regardless of whether or not the answer to the question would be yes or no, because even if the answer were to be no, if he answered no to certain questions, I think an inference could be drawn from that as to what he does or doesn’t know.
So I just want to make sure you understand in terms of our Fifth Amendment assertion here is that he’s asserting the Fifth Amendment privilege to questions that may have a yes or no answer, and it’s not fair to assume that the answer to every one of these questions would be yes or no if he were to answer the questions. Does that make sense?
Q. It makes sense, but we will be seeking an adverse inference as to all questions where the fifth amendment is taken.
*** Q. Mr. Seikaly, do you deny any of the statements attributed to you by Mr. Klaidman with respect to the [Newsweek bloodhound story]
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q Is it actually even true whether the search of the pond was prompted by a tip?
Q. Are you aware of any information that might have been used as a predicate for the pond search having been obtained as the fruits of electronic surveillance?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q Did you tell Mr. Klaidman that agents might be looking for a wet suit that could have been used to dispose of — that could have been used and disposed of by the anthrax attacker?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
***
Q. Did you give Allan Lengel of The Washington Post any information reflected in this article?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Mr. Lengel has testified that you told him the FBI search of the pond in Frederick was tied to Steven Hatfill and that it was triggered by a hypothetical statement Dr. Hatfill has made about anthrax; is that correct?
A. That Mr. Lengel testified about that?
Q. Is it correct that you told Mr. Lengel about those things?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. How did you know that the FBI’s search of the pond in Frederick was tied to Steven Hatfill?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
***
Q. Why did you decide to disclose information to Mr. Lengel about the pond search?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
***
Q Did you tell Mr. Lengel that the items recovered from the pond up to that point included a clear box with holes that could accommodate gloves?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment] ***
Q Did you tell Mr. Lengel that the items recovered from the pond up that point included vials wrapped in plastic?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Do you specifically deny making any statement that Mr. Lengel has attributed to you?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
***
Q. How did you know that tests for the presence of anthrax bacteria on the equipment were continuing after two rounds of tests produced conflicting results?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
Q. Why did you disclose that information to Mr. Lengel?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
***
Q Did you tell Mr. Lengel that the search of the pond in Frederick netted nothing but a hodgepodge of items that did not appear to be linked to the case?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
*** Q If we take the dates from Exhibits …, it appears that you disclosed investigative information to Mr. Lengel for articles that appeared in January 2003, May 2003, June 2003 and August 2003. Is that right?
[deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
*** Q. … Do you know whether you ever saw this e-mail before? A. I don’t believe I have. Q. Okay. Let’s look at the partially redacted paragraph. It says, quote, “WFO [Washington Field Office] has opened a leak investigation in an attempt to find out who spoke to Newsweek Magazine over the weekend about the bureau’s use of bloodhounds in the anthrax investigation,” closed quote. Do you see that? A. I do. Q. And the date of the email is August 5th, 2002. A. That’s correct. Q. The investigation that’s referenced here is about the story that you gave Mr. Klaidman, is it not? A. Assert my Fifth Amendment Privilege in response.
***
Q. Okay. In the bottom e-mail, when Blier begins, “here is a summary of my conversation with Glen about the anthrax leak investigation.” Now, Bill Blier worked for you, did he not? A. Yes. Q. Did you know what Mr. Blier was referring to when he referred to, quote, the anthrax leak investigation? A. I believe that it was an investigation involving the possible compromise of classified information is my understanding. I did know about an investigation in that. *** Q And do you know whether that had anything to do with bloodhounds or Newsweek? A I don’t believe it did but I don’t know. *** Q You were aware of an anthrax investigation, yes? A. I was — I was aware that there was a discussion of an investigation involving the compromise of classified information arising from the anthrax investigation, the Amerithrax investigation. I do recall knowing that we were — we and the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the Justice Department were concerned about this and were seeking to find out who compromised the classified information.
***
Q. Did you think it remarkable in any way that bloodhounds could track a scent from anthrax letters that were ten months old to a Denny’s in Louisiana where someone had eaten the day before? [deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]
ping
ought to be really drunk after all those fifth’s ping
Now, I want this guy, Daniel Seikaly, given a handwriting/handprinting test to see if he addressed the anthrax letters.
The family sebsite shows this family tree ~ http://www.seikaly.org/family_tree.html ~
Are we getting hot?
I’ll take ‘Ambiguous Article Titles’ for $500 Alex.
Seikely's boss should be dragged in for investigation.
Good catch. Don’t know about hot, but certainly a lot more interesting.
I watched Dr Hatfill’s press conferences and came to the conclusion that he was either the greatest actor in the world or completely innocent and will end up owning the FBI HQ. This questioning supports the latter.
Again, why was Daniel Jr. even employed on any sort of office close enough to the Anthrax Investigation that any of this stuff could get out?
Someone has some ANSWERS TO QUESTION, and it's time to go back to the earliest FBI statements on the matter and start making them rehash their stories.
I think this 'splains why the FBI tried to edge the Postal Inspection Service and its best field operations analysts from any contact with the investigation.
Time to bring in the Postmaster General and the Chief Inspector to find out why they caved so easily to the FBI pressure.
This could get fun.
I do wonder if Seikaly and Barbara Hatch Rosenberg run in the same circles ~ Hmmm!!!
And this stuff escapes the notice of the FBI analysts on the Anthrax Investigation team.
Time to bring in Babs too ~ put her on the grill!
Pretty good insight as to the kind of people who make careers in "government service." I'm sure he is just one of many who will do anything, regardless of the propriety, to promote his or his fellows interest. He can do so because he is above the law.
Think of him as an NGO spy or saboteur of some sort and you'll be on the right track.
“”Q. Did you think it remarkable in any way that bloodhounds could track a scent from anthrax letters that were ten months old to a Denny’s in Louisiana where someone had eaten the day before? [deponent invokes Fifth Amendment]””
Suurre, if it was Tinkerbell the Wonder Dog!
It is somewhat maddening though how excruciating it can be for people to get justice in this country these days.
Wouldn’t the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination apply equally at trial as at deposition?
When in 2001 did he move over from the CIA to the FBI?
“Reporters Say Hatfill Partly to Blame,” Associated Press, December 20, 2007
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ggnSVGuQvX23iSN9fCYgtmUMsaBAD8TL9S181
The Stewart and Locy declarations, on their face, seemed persuasive when the journalists talked about all the contact with Dr. Hatfill’s attorney.
But I guess it is not fair to hold it against Dr. H that his counsel met with reporters and advocated his innocence.
I'm not 100% certain, but I think that only applies to the accused defendant in a criminal trial; I don't think it would hold true in a civil action.
Although I only ever rely on “Law and Order” and am loath to cite “Wikipedia”, counselor Wiki advises:
“Giving testimony in a trial or other legal proceeding that could subject one to criminal prosecution.
The right against self-incrimination forbids the government from compelling any person to give testimonial evidence that would likely incriminate him during a subsequent criminal case. This right enables a defendant to refuse to testify at a criminal trial and “privileges him not to answer official questions put to him in any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or informal, where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings” (Lefkowitz v. Turley, 414 U.S. 70, 94 S. Ct. 316, 38 L. Ed. 2d 274 [1973]).
But I still find it amazing that a person in that position would give an interview on these factual issues — for example, without even having any connection between Dr. Hatfill and the park.
I mean, it’s not the same as when some web poster points out Ali Al-Timimi held his jihad summer camp in the Frederick park.
As explained in the flyer introduced by the Department of Justice in a different prosecution, in early July 1994, cooperation with Al-Timimi’s Society for the Adherence to the Sunnah, Washington, D.C., IANA held its first annual summer camp in English in Frederick, MD. The theme of the camp was “Living the Shahadah in America.” This is what Sheikh Ali was teaching kids at the 1st Annual IANA Summer Camp at Frederick, MD:
“Reflections on the Meaning of Our Testimony of Faith: ‘There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah” by Ali Al-Timimi.
***
“6 Wage Jihad in the Path of Allah
***
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and practice not the true religion (Islam), being of those who have been given the Scripture (the Jews and the Christians) — until they pay tribute readily and have been brought low. (The Qur’an 9:29)
The Prophet .. has said:
I am commanded to fight mankind till they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayers and pay the charity. When they do that they will keep their lives and their property safe from me.”
I mean, it’s almost as if the CIA brilliantly distracted the public from the real reason they searched the park with the cover of the Hatfill theory, which was first advanced by a lawyer for islamic militants who is still making the argument.
So I don’t want TrebleRebel to accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist, but let’s flesh out the story with some basic facts. When did this fellow move over from the CIA to the DOJ? I’ve emailed him to ask but not heard back.
Reporters Say Hatfill Partly to Blame
Reporters: Hatfill Attorney Provided Leads on Anthrax Investigation, Dec. 20.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=4033276
Bingo!
There have to be people at the FBI sweating bricks over this one. They didn't learn from the Richard Jewell incident. Other than being called a racist, is there a worse smear than being accused using Anthrax?
McCarthy got caught passing info on from the CIA Inspector General's Office to her little friends at the WarshPost and Newsweek. Presumably her predecessor (or at least a guy who worked in the same office) has now been caught doing it at his next assignment, the FBI!
I think we've done got us a tiger by the tale, Fur Shur.
You know this links the 9/11 Anthrax Attack coverup to both the Young People's Socialist League as well as to the CIA's Inspector General's Office (which is supposed to be a strictly administrative function and not into intrigue and espionage).
This will be more than fun ~ bet some of these pukes start killing each other SOON.
Will I ever be surprised to see what's up.
Will I ever be surprised to see what's up.
(waiting 5)
Well, finished, and lo and behold, there it is at Feel Good Reports ~ http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/search?q=Toni+Locy
This is the old gal who came up with the Rhodesian whopper on Hatfill (among other things).
She'll crack like a bad weld.
This was such a pleasure to read. FINALLY, a big-time “anonymous source” for the MSM getting nailed for it. I would someday love to read similar trial transcripts for the people who leaked the SWIFT and “CIA prisons” stories and the Abu Ghraib photographs.
Let’s just flesh out some basic facts, such as when he started the new job.
Rhonda C. is listed on the contacts subpage for the criminal division in June 2001.
Daniel is listed in November 2001 — the google spider crawled over the page on November 18.
As within that range, I haven’t a clue as to when he took over for her.
It’s just a factual detail worth filling in — part of the story. Let’s stick to building the story rather making any inferences.
The US Attorney was also deposed recently but there wasn’t anything of special note.
Other FReepers may find their memories triggered if we take a look at some of these potential/real/demonstrable/close links of blood, politics, and social group for these various players.
Remember, it's not up to us to CENSOR anything at this point. It's up to the cockroaches to see the light and start to run and hide. We need not help them escape.
You did realize that when 9/11 happened there was an Inspector General at USPS who found herself booted out for a variety of antics, but she'd come from Department of Air Force OIG. That same organization served to supply OIGs and top level OIG staff all over Washington DC.
You'll find Plame, McCarthy, and others having their own string of relationships with the AF OIG.
No doubt this will all end up in the Executive Suite at the headquarters of the WarshPost.
Donald Graham Jr. will talk.
I’m not following anything you are saying about Valerie Plame or any connection you are making with Amerithrax. I think the interesting connection from the Plame matter is the leaking done by Scooter to Judy M. The NYT also received a leak in December 2001 about a planned search of BIF and GRF over which Fitzgerald was furious. Given they were after planning relating to development of biological weaopns, that’s the more direct link I see between leaking re Plame and Amerithrax.
Returning to the USA Today reporter, she’s now an assistant professor at a journalism, having completed a masters of law. She submitted a declaration in the matter explaining her extensive contacts with Dr. Hatfill’s attorney. I don’t recall her articles standing out as lacking balance. She emphasizes her contact with Attorney Connolly (Hatfill’s counsel) and the balance of her articles in her declaration as reason for the judge not to hold her in contempt.
The Stix article you link says:
“In an August 8 story, USA Today reporters Kevin Johnson and Toni Locy claimed that, “In Rhodesia, Hatfill lived near a school named Greendale,” without attributing the claim to ABC News.”
You are correct. The Greendale claim was factually mistaken (and a silly point besides). I believe former CIA analyst Stan Bedlington in an interview on ABC laid claim to having divined the (imagined) connection.
At her recent deposition, she tended to repeat this stock answer:
“I fully respect the court’s order. I do not remember the confidential sources who provided me with the information about Steven Hatfill. Refusing to answer is the only way for me to have an appeals court to decide whether I must reveal sources who may not have provided the information at issue in this case.
Accordingly, I respectfully refuse to answer that question.”
The names of her sources did not appear on a list of waivers.
I don’t know why it’s acceptable for her at the deposition to say she’s “just started reaching out to people” — that is, why it is acceptable she hadn’t been in contact with them to ask them if they would agree to release a promise of confidentiality. Although I didn’t read the memoranda of law, and don’t know the applicable law, if I were a District Judge and I saw this sort of game-playing, I might impose the fine to provide an incentive to her to make the phone calls. But if he does that, judging from her comments, she then will immediately appeal the decision. I don’t see why Hatfill would be entitled to compel sources re anthrax generally rather than about Hatfill specifically. (At the deposition, she and her counsel seem to be setting up that argument).
She said she hadn’t spoken to Dan Sekaily since her last deposition. The WP reporter AL emphasized to me today that the sources came forward voluntarily. I’m not following things closely enough to know how DS came to first be identified. Ed may know.
Here we have a totally bizarre situation where the WarshPost FBI informant appears to have left a job at the CIA where he was replaced by a different WarshPost CIA informant.
The odds on that are undoubtedly astronomical.
Now, to make this all seem straight to you, way back in the 1980s there was a Postal strike at the New York Bulk and Foreign Mail Facility. The local union mouthpieces had been saying they were going to go on strike, but they didn't actually call for one.
Still, there was a strike. A renegade bunch with close ties to (and membership in) YPSL (Young People's Socialist League) went on strike. Apparantly they got caught up in the moment, couldn't help themselves, and walked ~ and found themselves quite alone since the regular union guys didn't walk ~ it was all a bluff.
USPS management then fired the strikers. William F. Bolger was Postmaster General and he's the guy who decided they should be fired even if they were simply confused leftwingnuts and moonbats (to bring the terminology up to date).
Some of these guys later appealed their firings and were let back because they claimed, quite legitimately, they were simply misled by the YPSL people.
Others didn't get let back; got mad; and then began what turned out to be a multi-year effort to assissinate William F. Bolger.
Lots of things happened of a security nature that I need not add here, but USPS management took the threat seriously.
Eventually the attacks petered out, or the perps were caught, or they decided to lay low.
Now, everytime there's an attack against USPS the "friends" of YPSL swing into action to protect their own relationships and community standing lest they be roped into yet another USPS attack investigation.
The Anthrax Attack is readily understood as an attack directed at USPS ~ not just at the USA.
Now, with that in the background, and after observing how the leftwingers at CIA, then the FBI, and out in the community attended by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg went at this, it's easy to see that there's the possibility of a connection. Babs is the source of the misleading information about Hatfill. Since these guys (the leftwingers) think some of their own may have done the attack, they are satisfied to simply mislead the FBI while getting the USPS Postal Inspection Service out of the picture.
After all, a sidetracked investigation isn't going to come their way.
Now we have a problem with their plan ~ it's this Arab American fellow at the FBI who'd earlier worked at the CIA right in the same office where a WarshPost spy had been working. I think your finding is their career paths crossed, or are so close it is reasonable to believe these people might have known each other.
The McCarthy gal at the CIA knew Plame and Wilson and some of the other folks in the Iraq nukes story. Did Plame know this Arab? Odds are good she she did. Going one step further, and probably beyond our direct evidence in the matter, Plame might well have known the earlier WarshPost spy and could have a clear link to the Anthrax Attack. Maybe her forte' was not nuclear proliferation ~
Not in agreement yet, but, BTTT.
Tehe.
Don’t be silly.
All deep dark conspiracies are neocon conspiracies designed to hide an illegal US bioweapons program. Ask TrebleRebel. His ancestor came up with the smallpox blanket idea. But here it likely is that busy well-meaning people are just seeing things through the lenses of their own life-experience.
As Monk would say, “here’s what happened..”
By October 2001, they knew it was “our stuff.” An intelligence analyst (like the former CIA Stan B.) with their thinking hat on straight, would not have adopted the “bioevangelist” theory being touted in the press by the lawyer for the militants, but instead considered whether there had been an infiltration such as unclassified DIA documents from “Swift Knight” show was planned.
DIA Doc Confirms OBL’s Plans To Penetrate US Biodefense
http://www.bloggernews.net/112515
Ali Mohammed is a key historical example. OBL’s head of intelligence and security just applied to work for the US Army and CIA and was accepted. Analysis was even easier than that because it was known they were going to use charities to accomplish the planned “latent penetration.”
So early on DIA knew that the DOD program was penetrated and so they then sent me, a left-wing Naderite who had been undercover CIA to infiltrate the islamists by going to their all-you-can-eat buffets. Then Ed Lake outed me and turned me over to the feds given the illegal CIA operation on US territory. Now I’m going to have my commie postal union friends see that your christmas cheese is misdelivered.
This is what Mr. Seikaly was in a position to know in Fall 2001:
DIA Doc Confirms OBL’s Plans To Penetrate US Biodefense
December 19th, 2007
A 1998 Defense Intelligence Agency document produced to Judicial Watch four years ago confirms Bin Laden’s plans to penetrate US biodefense. It describes OBL’s biological aspirations in association with the late Arab Chechen fighter Ibn Khattab. The means by which a worldwide caliphate was to be established was by terror, “latent penetration,” and control over nuclear and biological weapons. After 9/11, Ibn Khattab was killed by a poison letter. The infiltration that occurred, as had occurred with Bin Laden’s former head of security and intelligence, Ali Mohammed, was pretty obvious, at least with the benefit of hindsight. Six years after the anthrax mailings, perhaps the suppression of information in Amerithrax may be due in part to a profound embarrassment and fear of legal liability, rather than due merely to the confidentiality required in a criminal and national security investigation. It’s hard to tell.
The head of Judicial Watch explained:
“A smoker of a document came across my desk in the form of a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) Intelligence Information Report (IIR) declassified and released to Judicial Watch on October 30, 2004, in response to a Freedom of Information Act open records request we made in January 2000, concerning the decision of the Clinton administration to bomb in August 1998 the al Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan and suspected al Qaeda terrorist training camps in the vicinity of Khost, Afghanistan. …”
He explained that the typed document was derived from handwritten documents obtained through a classified intelligence project with the unclassified nickname “Swift Knight.” According to the report, the documents were written during the first two weeks of October 1998.”
The document stated in part:
SUBJ: SWIFT KNIGHT - USAM BEN LADEN’S CURRENT AND HISTORICAL ACTIVITIES
WARNING: THIS IS AN INFORMATION REPORT, NOT FINALLY EVALUATED INTELLIGENCE
BEN LADEN STAYED IN KHARTOUM, WHERE 700 AFGHAN ARABS WERE CONCENTRATED. FROM THIS GROUP, HE CREATED THE NUCLEUS OF THE TERRORIST FUNDAMENTALIST POLITICAL ORGANIZATION “AL-KAIDA”. AMONG THE MEMBERS WAS HIS PERSONAL FRIEND, AMER [(KHATTAB]), A JORDANIAN CHECHEN WHOSE REPUTATION WAS DISTINGUISHED EVEN IN THEIR OWN CIRCLE FOR UNMOTIVATED BRUTALITY. IN 1995, KHATTAB APPEARED IN CHECHNYA TO CARRY OUT A SPECIAL MISSION ASSIGNED TO HIM BY USAM BEN LADEN TO ORGANIZE TRAINING CAMPS FOR INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS. ..
THE MEANS BY WHICH THE ABOVE GOALS [AT MINIMUM, TO OVERTHROW FAKHD IN SAUDI ARABIA] ARE TO BE MET ARE VIA TERROR, ETHNIC CLEANSING, “LATENT PENETRATION” (NFI), AND CONTROL OVER NUCLEAR AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS (JIHKHAD). FURTHER, RADICAL ISLAMIC (PREDOMINANTLY SUNNI) REGIMES ARE TO BE ESTABLISHED AND SUPPORTED EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE, INCLUDING BOSNIA, ALBANIA, CHECHNYA, DAGESTAN, [ETC]
[ETC.]
“VOLUNTEERS” FROM WHAT THE DOCUMENT REFERRED TO AS BEN LADEN’S ‘CHARITY SOCIETIES’ FROM PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN ***
A DIRECT ROUTE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO CHECHNYA FROM PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN THROUGH TURKEY AND AZERBAIJAN.
***
THE NEW PROGRAM INCLUDES TOPICS IN– “DIVERSIONS” WITH THE HELP OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, INCLUDING BACTERIOLOGICAL, AND INCENDIARY MIXTURES.
I believe NFI, which appears in parentheses, after the phrase “latent penetration,” may be World Bank-speak spoken by Wadi al Hage standing for non-conventional financial intermediary or NGO, non-governmental organization. He uses the same “nfi” designation in his correspondence from that time period. It is merely an additional confirmation Bin Laden planned to use the infrastructure and cover of charities in seeking to weaponize anthrax.
Of course he lied about most of it.
As we recall from Soviet era previously classified films, the Politburo itself was in the business of directly funding the Communist party in this country. What we didn't see is that they also funded Commies without a clear and open relationship to that party in this country.
That the relationships existed is beyond all doubt!
You'll notice that a lot of the former USSR resources in this country have ended up gravitating to George Soros ~ but I think that's more a case of "I need a job" than any strong ideological commitment ~ and that opinion is based on my familiarity with the mind-set of folks in the vast non-profit organization community found in the Washington DC area ~ these guys mail a lot of stuff and have every problem imaginable so I had much more than my fair share of dealing with them..
Whatever the case, there's a residual Communist structure in the US and its supporters, if not the structure itself, continues to have access to funding.
Some of these guys continue with their old relationships with YPSL. Their reasons are varied ~ friendship, to keep track of known "troublemakers" in their own past, or maybe even ideological interest.
Think of the Bernadette Dohran gang ~ she continued to have outside contact through all those years. Her closest friends knew where she was and didn't turn her in ~ YPSL members from the 1970s and 1980s maintain similar contacts and closed mouths.
The worst thing YPSL ever got involved in before the Postal strike was sponsoring some of the Weatherman bombings, and I bet every single YPSL member wishes they'd never heard of that group.
Then there was the Postal strike. Although it might seem somewhat strange to have so many of these YPSL guys employed at one spot you have to remember they were getting older, forming families, having babies, needing medical insurance and incomes, and the USSR was already cutting off everybody's money (and by the early 1990s even the funding to the Communist party in the USA itself).
I never did figure out who in management up in the New York Region made it possible for these guys to get jobs at that place. At the same time the Personnel Director (Employee and Labor Relations) at the Detroit Post Office was the brother of the Mayor of Detroit, and he (Young) was an official USSR Communist Party Politburo paid "agent". (NOTE: Detroit was where the USA sent USSR and East Bloc defectors to work after their intelligence value was used up. So one might suppose the Commies in the USSR had an interest in keeping an eye on these people).
The Postal Strike served to bring YPSL into public view again and highlighted the fact that USPS still had a Commie problem.
Having already gone over the repeated attempts they made to kill PMG Bolger, let's leap ahead to the Anthrax Attack.
When the Anthrax Attack happened, some in the residual Communist party apparatus, e.g. most likely Barbara Hatch Rosenberg and her friends, all openly Commies, or so far Left that even the Commies thought them to be Commies, moved out smartly to derail the FBI/Postal investigation of the matter. That's when they started pointing to Dr. Hatfill.
Having seen the look of terror on the face of the former Deputy Director of the USSR Biological Warfare program (who worked in the same building) at the time the Anthrax Attack was announced, I'd say Rosenberg wasn't the only person in the former USSR Commie food chain who feared "one of their own" had done the job!
It's interesting that one of their assets in CIA was "sacrificed" with a transfer to the FBI to assist in the matter.
That's how anxious that whole apparatus was about this event. No doubt they will eventually let us know if it was some of their stuff that was used.
Any good conspiracy theory has to have vague references to Saudi donors, not commies.
Let’s consider the dots here.
Daniel Saleem Seikaly, the head of criminal division at the DC US Attorney’s Office, who leaked the bizarre Hatfill pond and bloodhound stories — and misdirected the investigation — was born in Haifa.
The distinguished attorney has a businessman brother, Richard, and sister-in-law Zeina.
http://www.seikaly.org/family_tree.html
Mrs. Zeina Seikaly has taught a course in statistics at George Mason University.
She was president of the Middle East Outreach Council from 2004 to 2006.
In 1983, she explained to the Washington Post that although the work at a Georgetown Arab outreach center needed to be objective, she was a Palestinian nationalist and attended all the rallies. She came to DC in 1980. Her parents, Arab Christians, settled in Upstate NY in 1966.
She has written articles such as “Collecting Stories from Exile: Chicago Palestinians Remember 1948.”
In October 2001, she published “At risk of prejudice: the Arab American community. (Teaching about Tragedy)(Cover Story). “ in Social Education. 65.6 (Oct 2001): 349(3) which is published by the National Council for the Social Studies. She wrote:
“IF THEY FIND OUT that the attackers were Arab, will they put us in internment camps like the Japanese in World War II?” An Arab American boy posed this question to his parents in the wake of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. His fears were not laid to rest in the week after the tragedy, when hundreds of hate crimes were perpetrated against Arab Americans, both Muslim and Christian. These included verbal and physical attacks, shootings, bomb and death threats, and vandalism against homes, businesses, and places of worship. A general mood of hostility toward Arabs and Muslims was evident among the American public. The communities found themselves bearing the blame for the tragedies that had unfolded at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.”
In mid-October 2003, Zeina and Richard spoke at the all-day “TESOL Forum on Teachers Building a Culture of Peace: Classroom Responses to War and Terrorism,” hosted by American University, discussing stereotypes and misconceptions.
There is an article about alleging that she briefly worked for a little-known Saudi institute that the authors claim has links to folks who distribute pro-Islamic, anti-American and anti-Israel materials to public schools.
The article says:
“Zeina Azzam Seikaly, outreach coordinator at Georgetown University’s Center for Contemporary Arab Studies, a Title VI National Resource Center on the Middle East. For several years, she was assistant director of Dar al Islam’s teacher-training institute, according to Dar al Islam’s Declerck.
Seikaly promotes many associates of Dar al Islam, printing their writings and inviting them to lecture. Shabbas has been involved in teacher training at Georgetown. Asked about Dar al Islam, Seikaly at first refused to discuss it, then admitted working there, but only for two weeks.”
“What your kids are learning about Israel, America and Islam”
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=14871
But her writing I find, in contrast, all seems balanced.
It thus is ironic that there was nothing balanced at all about the ridiculous stories that her brother-in-law — effectively in charge of the Amerithrax investigation as head of the criminal division at the US Attorney’s office that would have prosecuted — was secretly feeding reporters. The bloodhound and pond stories were really stupid and baseless. Everyone, however well-intentioned, sees things through the lenses of their own life’s experiences. The prosecutor, however, should have shown balance given his formal responsibilities.
It was outrageous and inexplicable conduct to have leaked the highly spun bloodhound story, and only served to divert attention from the obvious solution to the Amerithrax matter. That is, that Bin Laden infiltrated one of our labs using a microbiologist taught by Bin Laden’s sheik al-Hawali. Al-Hawali was expressly the subject of the 1996 Declaration of War.
The top prosecutor certainly has had key positions. He was the go-to in the late 1990s at the Department of Justice in deciding whether to grant a wiretap application if it was suspected a spy had infiltrated one of country’s labs. For example, he rejected the FBI’s request for a wiretap involving Wen Ho Lee.
Okay, he was a law professor for years at Antioch Law School, which no doubt was dominated by communists fighting for the downtrodden. You win.
Here’s a program she organized on the invasion of Iraq which is alleged by one partisan academic to demonstrate a bias not consistent with government funding.
http://www.geocities.com/martinkramerorg/2003_07_02.htm
They are still out there. Other Leftists, particularly the Commies, fear these guys will do something for which they will be blamed. After all, they're all grown ups now, have respected positions at legitimate institutions, and earn their own keep ('cause the USSR is gone). They have children for gosh sake, and definitely don't want their children to be identified as part of an Anthrax Attack.
Anyway, even Commies are human (sometimes).
Every time something surfaces a person with Lebanese ancestors who is not a Moslem yet supports Palestinian causes, that usually means they're a Commie.
After all, Lebanese Christians were (ironically) the sponsor of the local fascist (falange) movement before Hamas came along. They let a lot of the Commies runaway to what is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. They killed the others.
These facts seem to escape the interest of the FBI ~ which is why the top ranks need a deep purge. Time for lots of retirements, or maybe even out and out firings.
J.Edgar Hoover probably rolled over in his grave upon hearing that the FBI hired a CIA guy anyway. Gad!!!
Dude,
The evidence is documentary evidence in hard copy and computer files taken from Ayman Zawahiri’s computer, the computer of KSM’s assistant etc. and relates to the announced intention and steps taken to recruit scientists to weaponize anthrax and infiltrate the UK and US biodefense establishments.
Neither Ayman nor KSM are communist.
The documentary evidence shows that they intended to use the cover of universities and charities, which they did.
The Postal employee of relevance was Salafist, like Bin Laden and Ayman. He was the blind sheik’s chief aide. He was working directly with the Islamic Group head and military commander, and even the founder of EIJ. None of them are communist.
So check under your bed for commies, but leave them out of true crime analysis of the anthrax crimes.
Besides, we commies like to think of ourselves “60s activists” or “antiwar activists.”
My spouse was just telling me (concerning your "you win" piece) that this sounds like a real "Commie plot".
And it was ~ not the attack, but the fearful coverup.
Ran into a different Commie plot years ago ~ we were messing around with the lockbox rules (P.O.Box) and were going to change the payment schedules.
Started getting calls from Eastbloc embassies ~ they were VERY concerned they would lose their P.O. Boxes.
Turned out the USPS was the ONLY postal system in the world where anyone could trust the employees to leave the mail delivered to P.O.Box addresses alone so, Lo and Behold, Much to my Surprise, EVERY intelligence service in the world, particularly the KGB and their subsidiaries, relied on our P.O.Boxes ~ they'd rented thousands of them all over the US.
We ended up putting a statement in the rules concerning "fiscal year" and that got them all off the hook with their finance officers.
I presume our guys used our boxes too. But, I'll never tell.
Yes, the attackers were Salafists. The “cover up”, though, was undertaken to protect American Commies “just in case”.
No, the US-based operatives were Salafist, and not communist.
Given that operational security would require that no one was involved other than those whose technical skills were needed, any antiwar activist would have been superfluous and unaware of what had been done.
The communists you imagine under your bed don’t even know the Salafists.
Maybe they haven't seen them in years, but they sure as heck don't want to be questioned about them.
I think the folks attacking Hatfill jumped the gun ~ they didn't need to be involved at all.
Concerning Palestinian Commies, they exist. Many of them live here and NOT there.
Moreover, the antiwar activists have been duped into supporting the Salafists.
Al-Timimi, for example, was staunchly against peace — he translated and agreed with the writing of the Egyptian deep thinker who opposed the Camp David Accord, adopting the blind sheik’s position that no peace with Israel is acceptable.
Invading Iraq, unfortunately, just played right into Zawahiri’s and al-Hawali’s PR. GMU microbiologist Al-Timimi arranged to have a letter from al-Hawali warning of the consequences of invading Iraq hand-delivered to every member of Congress on the first anniversary of the anthrax letters to Senator Daschle and Leahy. Mr. Seikaly would have received regular briefings on the investigation of GMU microbiologist Al-Timimi, who was in computational biology in the bioinformatics program there sponsored by the American Type Culture Collection.
In case I didn’t include it earlier, here is an article describing the claim that his sister-in-law’s work was biased and thus not entitled to government funding.
While I don’t know anything about Title IX, I suspect it was doing important work that was fully within the regulations. I’ve written Mrs. S today to ask her what she thinks of the anthrax coverage but she’s on holiday.
http://www.georgetownvoice.com/2005-11-03/news/ccas-called-biased
Let’s use the word radical instead so it isn’t as easy to poke fun at your argument. Lynne Stewart was a self-described radical. She was the blind sheik’s lawyer. The postal employee (her paralegal) and Abdel-Rahman used her to transmit messages from the blind sheik’s son, who was on the WMD committee. That son, Mohammed, spoke alongside Ali Al-Timimi at IANA conferences in 1993 and 1996. In 1996, in both July and December. The blind sheik, referring to Lynne Stewart said that “we’ll stop using doves when the government stops using secret evidence.” So I do agree with you that there are radicals in this country who support the Salafists. I just am too young to take the word “communist” seriously. It was Lynne Stewart’s partner, Stanley L. Cohen, who represented the former BIF-employee who is a listed author of the article in JAMA about how the first inhalational victim in New York died. I remember that firm’s defense of the folks who committed the armed robbery in which a guard was killed. I was clerking for the judge who heard the appeal. Funding the revolution, of course, did not strike me for as sufficient revolution to murder the innocent. So while I have great admiration for anti-war activists, I deplore those who would murder innocents such as those involved in sending the anthrax.
That former BIF employee, the Manhattan doctor, apparently lived next door to Ali Al-Timimi in Falls Church in 1999.
The question is: did Mrs. S know Al-Timimi? Although she taught statistics at GMU years ago, more recently she got a masters in sociology there.
Or did they study at the same time at GWU? Or know each other through outreach program? A senior person with that New Mexico institute lives and listed an address in Fairfax. That’s probably how Mrs. S came to be involved. Like Ali’s center, they focused on deen.
“We are in our time the Communists of the Fifties, the Scottsboro Boys [of the 1930s], the Anarchists [in the late 1800s]. And now the Terrorists — whatever Imperial America can frighten the people with. Judges included.”
— Lynne Stewart
All the anthrax envelopes had been wrapped end to end with standard package tape (like you'd use to wrap up a parcel).
It was at least 3 years before there was any news about this guy.
You can understand I keep my eyes peeled concerning employees in USPS, FBI and CIA when it comes to this case.
I’m not following you.
First, as for the news about Abdel-Sattar who worked at the Staten Island main branch, there was a Washington Post article, for example, in spring 2002 about how he was being investigated in connection with the letter that had been used to gain the two journalists access to kill Northern Alliance leader. He was in contact with the Vanguards of Conquest (EIJ) spokesman Al-Sirri, and Ayman or someone using his office computer had created a letter of introduction using the name of Al-Sirri’s London group. Abdel-Sattar was very high profile, giving interviews in the late 1990s to most major media outlets, to include a dramatic PBS interview. In the PBS interview, he explained that in the next attack, principles of cell security would be used — an operation might only involve 4 people — and so he wouldn’t necessarily know who was involved. But authorities definitely knew that a tree grew in Brooklyn. Sadat’s assassin’s brother, Mohammed Islambouli, was known to be in a cell with KSM planning the plane and other attacks. Being given safe haven in Qatar. See December 1998 PDB to Clinton. The August 2001 PDB to Bush basically was a rehash of that intel, which was based on what Ali Mohammed and Wadi al Hage, for example, were telling Fitzgerald.
But you do raise a factual issue of interest. The exact tape used. Are you saying it was a wide tape? Why doesn’t it show in the pictures? What do you think the purpose of the tape was? How wide was it? I guess there is a narrow tape and a wide tape for wrapping packages. Through the editor of Postal Mag I made inquiry of the Staten Island branch for someone who worked with Abdel-Sattar but got no takers. Perhaps you could find a co-worker who would share their recollection. I don’t see why you think it was a mistake for him to get a job. It’s not like it was the job that tipped the authorities off. Before working in the main branch, he delivered to nuclear facilities and no one paid attention. They began tapping his phone in late 1998.
These devices had clearly been designed with the understanding that the standard USPS envelopes sold in vending machines would not long hold the anthrax.
In short, it wasn't considered necessary for the envelopes to ever be delivered to be effective transmission devices.
As it turned out they were remarkably effective since the tape kept the anthrax from filtering except on the perimeter edges.
Obviously someone was involved in this attack who knew about filtering rates of anthrax, the quality of USPS embossed envelopes, the utility of packaging tape and whether or not its presence would draw undue early attention by postal employees.
These guys shut down the main postal facility serving the headquarters agencies of the United States government as well as Congress, with a handful of envelopes.
What they didn't count on is the vast capacity of the USPS ~ which simply started sending all the mail that'd gone to Brentwood to different buildings in the DC area. That right there tells me the enemy was probably foreign and thought of the postal system in terms of the rather modest establishment of his home country (USPS having over half the postal capacity in the world, it's easy for foreigners to "just not get it").
The addresses selected came right off the internet in a precise format that the attackers didn't change. That could be because they didn't read English and had little understanding of what the address elements meant.
If so, that pretty much excludes our boy at the Staten Island post office from being directly involved in the business of preparing and mailing the anthrax letters.
So, what was his part in this, if, in fact, he had a part? So far I haven't figured it out ~ which leads to a default answer that he probably needed the money.
And don't we all.
As far as co-workers at Staten Island, I didn't work there.
On September 10, a Canadian study issued re Dugway simulant — reporting on a study done after an anthrax threat was received in connection with Bin Laden’s farm manager in Sudan. It found that leakage occurred prior to opening and immediately dispersed. Only an estimated 16 people in the USG were aware of it at the time of the anthrax mailings. Al-Timimi shared a fax with famed Russian bioweaponeer Ken Alibek and former USAMRIID Charles Bailey. If Seikaley were better informed, he would have realized that Hatfill was a crummy candidate. Sekaily’s brother and his wife (at the time he was leaking to the press) were publicly formally arguing that after 9/11, folks shouldn’t assume that Arabs are behind terrorism. Well, one would hope that it is the evidence, not Thanksgiving dinner table talk by self-described Palestinian nationalists such as his sister-in-law, that guides decisions in these matters. But given that he reports he didn’t read anything and briefings were all done orally, it’s a wonder any serious analysis was done at all.
A copy of the Canadian report was mailed by the Canadians to Bradley, head of the CDC investigation, but he says he didn’t open the email. He says it would not have had caused them to do anything differently, but some at Brentwood may disagree given that they object that the facility was not closed earlier. In the Canadian report, I believe reference was made to leaking from the corners, in addition to the pore size of the envelope (but I don’t have it in front of me).
“end to end, front and back”...
So do you mean along the outside edges of the rectangle?
Or was there a tape on where it sealed. The place where an envelope’s adhesive sometimes fails is at the corner.
Daschle somewhat ambiguously says it was not heavily taped, leaving it open that it was taped, just not heavily taped.
The envelope was made of recycled paper (and that was apparent from writing noting that on the envelope.
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