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Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | Dec 9 2007

Posted on 12/08/2007 9:12:56 PM PST by camerakid400

When Sofia Allam left the Muslim faith for Christianity, the response from her family was one of persecution and threats. Alasdair Palmer explores the dangers facing Islam's apostates

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

Religious persecution of the kind Sofia suffers is increasingly common in Britain today

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

"He said he couldn't have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim]," Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

"He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn't recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

"My mother's transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, 'Mum, Dad - you're saying you should kill me… but I'm your daughter! Don't you realise that?'?"

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

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After three weeks of bullying, and just before her parents physically threw her out, Sofia left. "They put their loyalty to Islam above any love for me," she says, her voice faltering slightly.

"It was such a shock. I remember thinking when they brought all my uncles round to try to intimidate me - all these men were lined up telling me how terrible a person I was, how the devil had taken me - I remember thinking, how can this be happening? Because this isn't Lahore in Pakistan. This is Dagenham in London! This is Britain!"

Religious persecution of the kind Sofia suffers, however, is increasingly common in Britain today. It is hard to get an accurate notion of the scale of the problem, not least because very few of the people who leave Islam are willing to complain to the police about the way they are treated.

"Intimidation is very widespread and pretty effective," says Maryam Namazie, a spokesperson for the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. She believes that many of the deaths classified as "honour killings" are actually murders of people who have renounced Islam.

"I get threatened all the time: emails, letters, phone calls," she says. "When I returned home this afternoon, for example, there was a death threat waiting for me on my answering machine…" She laughs nervously.

"A lot of them aren't serious, but occasionally they are. I went to the police about one set of threats. They took a statement from me but that was it - they never contacted me again."

That treatment is in sharp contrast to the seriousness with which the Dutch and German police responded when members of the Council of Ex-Muslims in those countries made complaints to the police about death threats.

"The heads of the Dutch and German organisations are today both living under police protection," Ms Namazie explains.

Last week, it was reported that the daughter of a British imam was living under police protection, after receiving death threats from her family for having left Islam.

But it is not only extreme Muslim families that believe it is their religious duty to threaten, and even kill, members who renounce the religion.

"My father could not be described as an extremist," insists Sofia, who is now 31. "We read the Koran and prayed regularly together, but he never insisted on my wearing Islamic dress and he was quite happy that I went to the local comprehensive, which was all girls, but not by any means dominated by Muslims."

There were conflicts when Sofia's parents tried to arrange a marriage for her at the age of 18, but they seemed to accept her decision to continue her education.

"They even let me go away to university," she explains. "I appreciated how difficult it was for them to grant me that freedom, and I was very grateful for it. In the event, though, I only lasted three months - I just got so homesick that I had to come back to Mum and Dad."

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Sofia got a job in a hotel and quickly became a manager. Her interest in Christianity was entirely self-generated. She acquired a Bible, which she hid in her bedroom. But four years ago, her mother found it.

"She confronted me one morning with, 'Are you still a Muslim?' I had to tell the truth: I didn't think I was. From that moment on, she basically disowned me. My father was shocked and saddened. But the reality was that my parents behaved to me as if they thought it would be much better if I was dead."

Most leading Muslims in Britain are unequivocal in their denunciation of British Muslim parents who threaten to kill their children for leaving Islam.

Ibrahim Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), says that it is "absolutely disgraceful behaviour… In Britain, no Muslim has the right to harm one hair of someone who decides to leave Islam."

Inayat Bunglawala, also a spokesman for the MCB, insists that such behaviour in Britain is "awful and quite wrong. The police should crack down on it."

And yet a significant portion of British Muslims think that such behaviour is not merely right, but a religious obligation: a survey by the think-tank Policy Exchange, for instance, revealed that 36 per cent of young Muslims believe that those who leave Islam should be killed.

There is considerable support, from the Koran and other sacred Islamic texts, for that position - which may explain why, out of the 57 Islamic states in the world today, seven have a legal code that punishes Muslims who leave the religion with death.

That number may soon increase: Pakistan is currently considering a Bill that would make apostasy a capital crime for men and one carrying a sentence of imprisonment for women.

As it is, ordinary Pakistanis take the law into their own hands and kill Muslim apostates. The same thing happens in Turkey where, earlier this year, two people were killed for "having turned away from Islam".

Patrick Sookhdeo was born a Muslim, but later converted to Christianity. He is now international director of the Barnabas Fund, an organisation that aims to research and to ameliorate the conditions of Christians living in countries hostile to their religion.

He notes that "all four schools of Sunni law, as well as the Shia variety, call for the death penalty for apostates. Most Muslim scholars say that Muslim religious law - sharia - requires the death penalty for apostasy.

"In 2004, Prince Charles called a meeting of leading Muslims to discuss the issue," adds Dr Sookhdeo. "I was there. All the Muslim leaders at that meeting agreed that the penalty in sharia is death. The hope was that they would issue a public declaration repudiating that doctrine, but not one of them did."

The reluctance to condemn sharia law is widespread. I asked Mr Bunglawala, for instance, to condemn the Islamic states that imposed the death penalty for apostasy. He did not do so, merely commenting that "it was a matter for those states".

Given the acceptance by some that Muslim religious law does indeed require that apostates be killed, it is hardly surprising that many ordinary Muslims think that it is their religious duty to carry out that punishment - or at least to threaten it.

"There can't be freedom of religion in Britain while so many British Muslims take that attitude," Sofia says. "It frightens me, because attitudes have hardened over the past decade."

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Still, won't her parents eventually just recognise that she has chosen to change her religion? Won't they, in 10 years' time, accept her back? "No," Sofia says, her eyes full of tears. "That will never happen. I know it. They will never accept me the way I am."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antichristian; apostasy; britain; christian; christianity; convert; deaththreats; exmuslims; islam; kaffir; muslims; rop; taqiyya; unitcohesion
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1 posted on 12/08/2007 9:12:57 PM PST by camerakid400
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that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

Know your enemy.
2 posted on 12/08/2007 9:26:42 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: camerakid400

I am shocked that she lived to tell her story!


3 posted on 12/08/2007 9:30:35 PM PST by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; Just A Nobody
ROP ping!

She believes that many of the deaths classified as "honour killings" are actually murders of people who have renounced Islam.

4 posted on 12/08/2007 9:35:19 PM PST by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1933472/posts?page=413#413


5 posted on 12/08/2007 9:37:36 PM PST by Cindy
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To: camerakid400
"They will never accept me the way I am."

Which would be a crime in Britain if she were gay.

6 posted on 12/08/2007 9:48:30 PM PST by glorgau
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To: kinoxi

“....-——>In Britain<-——, no Muslim has the right to harm one hair of someone who decides to leave Islam.”

Now that’s a telling remark.


7 posted on 12/08/2007 9:51:16 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: camerakid400

This is common in Muslim-dominated countries. The parents are expected to carry out the sentence. I remember hearing of a man in Indonesia in the early ‘80s who was beaten nearly to death by his relatives and thrown into shark-infested waters. He survived, but he had to move away to another part of the country. “The time is coming when those who put you to death will think they are doing service to God.”


8 posted on 12/08/2007 9:54:01 PM PST by Judges Gone Wild
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To: jan in Colorado
No doubt she is correct.

Religious persecution of the kind Sofia suffers, however, is increasingly common in Britain today

Coming to a state near you.....

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
-CAIR chairman, Omar M. Ahmad (as reported by the San Ramon Valley Herald in July 1998)

9 posted on 12/08/2007 10:00:21 PM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: camerakid400

The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

These young people are truly brave.

These killings are rampant in Germany and probably wherever these miserable people migrate.


10 posted on 12/08/2007 10:00:37 PM PST by fishhound
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To: camerakid400

Another NOW silence.


11 posted on 12/08/2007 10:01:51 PM PST by fishhound
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To: camerakid400

What will they do about Obama?


12 posted on 12/08/2007 10:02:09 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Cindy
A step ahead as usual Cindy!

I also read your post #408 on that same thread.
Excellent post and I agree 100 percent! I have given my two teenage daughters similar lectures, I mean advice.

13 posted on 12/08/2007 10:03:39 PM PST by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: camerakid400
If Obama was born to a muslim father, he is by birth a muslim? He states he is a Christian, so does that make him an apostate as well? Someone mentioned to me and I did not know.

Can someone fill me in?

14 posted on 12/08/2007 10:08:20 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: jan in Colorado

“...I mean advice.”

From one parent to another — smiling at you.


15 posted on 12/08/2007 10:08:24 PM PST by Cindy
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To: K4Harty

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015222.php


16 posted on 12/08/2007 10:19:25 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: K4Harty

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Obama himself, was a Muslim for 27 years. He is in fact an Apostate Muslim. The above website has a great deal of history year by year. An Apostate Muslim in high office in the US could present major political or even national security problems for the US...demands for his return to Islam on a worldwide basis are not unconceivable should he become Pres or VP....could Obama return to Islam in a sudden ‘change of heart’...bluntly, yes. There is nothing to stop such an occurrence. Would he return to ISlam on demand if in high office? Anyones’ guess. Voters should not allow the opportunity.


17 posted on 12/08/2007 10:21:13 PM PST by givemELL
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To: camerakid400
Silly title.

There is no such thing as a "Muslim apostate."

18 posted on 12/08/2007 10:22:24 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: jan in Colorado
There's something I have noticed throughout the many numbers of stories I have come across about the muslim women who are murdered by their male relatives...they have all walked back into their homes and told their families a)they want to leave islam b)want to live a western lifestyle c)marry out of the islamic faith...

AS IF THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE SUCH ANNOUNCEMENTS WOULD MEAN THEIR ALMOST CERTAIN DEATH.

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

It's quite obvious there's one kind of islam the men follow and discuss at the mosque, and another, very limited, watered down version the women get to hear of.

19 posted on 12/08/2007 10:42:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: unspun
Excerp from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#In_Islam Main articles: Apostasy in Islam and Takfir Islam as it has been practiced for hundreds of years does enforce harsh penalties for apostasy. However the Quran itself is silent on the punishment for apostasy, though not the subject itself. The Quran speaks repeatedly of people going back to unbelief after believing, but does not confirm that they should be killed or punished. In Islam, apostasy is called "ridda" ("turning back") and it is considered by Muslims to be a profound insult to God. A person born of Muslim parents that rejects Islam is called a "murtad fitri" (natural apostate), and a person that converted to Islam and later rejects the religion is called a "murtad milli" (apostate from the community). The question of the penalties imposed in Islam (i.e. in the Qur'an or under shariah law) for apostasy is a highly controversial topic that is passionately debated by various scholars. On this basis, according to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is the death penalty, or, for women, life imprisonment. However, this view has been rejected by a small minority of modern Muslim scholars (eg Hasan al-Turabi), who argues that the hadith in question should be taken to apply only to political betrayal of the Muslim community, rather than to apostasy in general.[10] These scholars argue for the freedom to convert to and from Islam without legal penalty, and consider the aforementioned Hadith quote as insufficient confirmation of harsh punishment; they regard apostasy as a serious crime, but undeserving of the death penalty. Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mauritania, the Comoros and, most likely, Iraq.[11][12] In Qatar apostasy is a capital offense, but no executions have been reported for it.[13] The hadith "Whosoever changes his religion, Kill Him", has been used both by supporters of the death penalty as well as critics of Islam. Islamic scholars point out it is important to understand the hadith in proper historical context. The order was at a time when the nascent Muslim community in Medina was fighting for its very life, and there were many schemes, by which the enemies of Islam would try to entice rebellion and discord within the community.[14] Clearly any defection would have serious consequences for the Muslims, and the hadith may well be about treason, rather than just apostasy. It must also be pointed out that under the terms of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, any Muslim who returned to Mecca was not to be returned, terms which the Prophet accepted. Despite this historical point Islamic law as currently practiced does not allow the freedom for the individual to choose one's religion. The Qur'an says: Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Clearly the Right Path (i.e. Islam) is distinct from the crooked path. —Qur'an, [Qur'an 2:256] A section of the 'People of the Book' (Jews and Christians) says: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam). —Qur'an, [Qur'an 3:72] But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith, never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. —Qur'an, [Qur'an 3:90] Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them. —Qur'an, [Qur'an 4:48] Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the way. —Qur'an, [Qur'an 4:137] O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleases. And Allah encompasses all, and He knows all things. —Qur'an, [Qur'an 5:54] The Hadith (a collection of sayings attributed to Muhammad and his companions) includes statements taken as supporting the death penalty for apostasy, such as: * Kill whoever changes his religion. Sahih Bukhari 9:84:57 * The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims. Sahih Bukhari 9:83:17 Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a Pakistani Islamic scholar, writes that punishment for apostasy was part of Divine punishment for only those who denied the truth even after clarification in its ultimate form by Muhammad (he uses term Itmam al-hujjah), hence, he considers this command for a particular time and no longer punishable.[15] In 2006, Abdul Rahman, the Afghan convert from Islam to Christianity has attracted worldwide attention about where Islam stood on religious freedom. Prosecutors asked for the death penalty for him. However, under heavy pressure from foreign governments, the Afghan government claimed he was mentally unfit to stand trial and released him. Islam Online, a hugely popular Muslim website, contains a fatwa dated 21 March 2004 and ascribed to 'IOL Shariah Researchers' says: * "If a sane person who has reached puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be punished.‏ In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."[16] No one besides the caliph or his representative may kill the apostate. If someone else kills him, the killer is disciplined (for arrogating the caliph's prerogative and encroaching upon his rights, as this is one of his duties).
20 posted on 12/08/2007 10:56:03 PM PST by givemELL
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