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1 posted on 12/01/2007 12:39:09 PM PST by Alter Kaker
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We've been down this road before.
2 posted on 12/01/2007 12:40:24 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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The intelligent design crowd, creationists, postulate the a priori that a God set everything in motion. Marxists postulate a material universe evolving without a god with life originating as an accident of chemistry. Thereafter both carry on their arguments without any proof to confirm their beliefs. They are both arguing the same way, on the simple faith that their a priories are in fact true. Both claim science but show no experimental evidence or offer a valid theory with relevant associations and inferences. The Marxists and Creationists are one and the same in their way of thinking.


8 posted on 12/01/2007 1:11:18 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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Great. IDiots in Texas are giving more amunition to the left to paint conservatives as anti-science.

This is just what we need.

13 posted on 12/01/2007 1:35:47 PM PST by curiosity
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I think the wonders of the Universe are so vast that the ken of mortals has yet to scratch the surface. To me, intellegent design is a theory, pure and simple.

I thoroughly enjoy watching educational TV as the show producers take a run at explaining existence as well as they can. As far as I know, each of these shows says to me that the Universe has boundaries. If so there is a "this side" of the boundary and a "that side." I wish one of these scientists could explain to me what is on "that side."

They tell me the Universe was once a miniscule, tiny, microscopic, pre-elemental pin prick if pure energy. It seems to me that energy can be measured. I wonder where this measurable thing was. What, exactly, was it in?

They tell me that Einstein was so uncomfortable with the idea of an expanding universe that he interjected a mathematical constant in his calculations to eliminate the thought. He came eventually to think that was a mistake in his life. Yet, I suspect he did what he did because the questions raised by an expanding universe were terrifying to a scientist.

I can't understand why the theory of ID is so horrible to scientists who talk matter-of-factly about a bounded universe. Maybe infinity is just too rough a subject for mere humans.

14 posted on 12/01/2007 1:37:25 PM PST by stevem
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The state’s director of science curriculum said she resigned this month under pressure from officials who said she had given the appearance of criticizing the teaching of intelligent design.

There is nothing wrong for a science director to criticize the teaching of ID. ID isn't science, it is philosophy. It should be taught in a philosophy class along with the cosmological argument and the ontological argument. It should not be taught in a science class where people actually require something called evidence.

The State of Texas is going to lose big time if this goes to court. The federal courts have already ruled that ID isn't science (for example, in the Dover case). There is no justification for the State of Texas to require somebody to be impartial on the teaching of something that isn't science. Else they would be firing a lot more teachers for criticizing astrology.

47 posted on 12/01/2007 5:08:52 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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Put an end to the Big Government Public School Monopoly and the phony-”oh, the ACLU is great”-liberals would lose their phony platform for their phony godless, liberal schools.


86 posted on 12/02/2007 11:21:32 AM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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This woman siad, “None of the other reasons they gave are, in and of themselves, firing offenses.”

What were those other reasons? I suspect she was indeed fired for “other reasons,” but is drawing attention to her anti-ID activities because many people agree with her anti-ID stance.


147 posted on 12/03/2007 8:20:07 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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Atheism is a vicious doctrine that offers zero hope.


159 posted on 12/03/2007 11:39:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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bump for publicity


195 posted on 12/03/2007 5:15:54 PM PST by VOA
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The Darwinian ToE crowd always links the ID people to their wackiest fringe proponents, which I think is an unfair tactic and smacks of intellectual desperation.

Imagine if the reverse was done and the ID people always linked the Darwinian ToE people with their wackiest fringes--Gobineau, Sanger, and the rest of the social Darwinist/eugenics crowd. That would be a cheap shot, wouldn't it....

Turn about is fair play, you know.
236 posted on 12/04/2007 12:32:45 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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The book argues that creationist politics are behind the movement to get intelligent design theory taught in public schools.

Could be. It could also be that politics is behind the efforts of those who insist that only evolution should be taught in schools.

250 posted on 12/04/2007 2:19:56 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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