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Inside Intel / Not a reactor - something far more vicious
Haaretz ^ | 11/22/07 | Yossi Melman

Posted on 11/26/2007 6:09:33 PM PST by dervish

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61 posted on 11/27/2007 5:03:41 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: dervish

The only separation that needs to be done is to separate the Baathists and Islamofascists from their heads.


62 posted on 11/27/2007 6:11:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: editor-surveyor
Plutonium isn’t hazzardous unless it is finely ground enough to be inhaled. Large particles are not hazzardous at all because there is no liklihood of accidental inhaling or ingestion.

True, but the stuff burns like magnesium, and the ash is fine, friable, and deadly...

63 posted on 11/27/2007 6:53:10 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: gandalftb
N Korea wouldn't hesitate to auction off its nuke fuel, but it is very low grade, the Syrians could wait a year and do much better with Iranian fuel.

Were I them I'd use the lower grade NK fuel to learn all the tricks and traps of processing raw materials into bomb components, and apply that skill to the "good" Iranian stuff.

64 posted on 11/27/2007 6:57:49 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: dervish; ckilmer

I’m disappointed in Hoekstra and Ros-Lehtinen. This sort of thing simply cannot be handled with all the important details being babbled around by the whole world. There are plenty of loose cannons in Congress who are either too stupid or too egomaniacal to care what damage could be done by releasing certain information.

The enemy MUST NOT know how much we know and how we came to know it. The only way to ensure that is to keep the information restricted to a very tiny circle of completely trustable people. IMO, Hoekstra and Ros-Lehtinen put their qualifications for that circle in doubt when they wrote their petulant rant in the WSJ.

I’d be very surprised if we aren’t able to detect the remains of a sizeable plutonium stash left at the site via remote satellite, but I do NOT want anyone publicly confirming my suspicion that we can. We — meaning the general public and the members of Congress cannot properly judge whether the Bush Administration is taking the right or wrong route with North Korea, without knowing everything they know and how they came to know it. On matters like this, we need to trust the President we elected and the inner circle of advisors he has in turn selected. There are plenty of matters which can and are handled under public scrutiny, to enable us to determine whether they can be trusted. That’s how we make need to make our decisions on Election Day.


65 posted on 11/27/2007 7:00:31 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Campion; Robert A. Cook, PE; billakay
It will also fizzle and produce a yield of only a few hundred tons, unless they have incredibly pure, ultra-low burnup Pu-239 ~ Campion

I believe it is fairly difficult to ensure that there is no Pu-240 mixed in with the Pu-239. These extra little bits of isotype can supposedly enable a stray neutron to start a chain reaction just a little bit too soon in a gun-type device, leading to a dud or a weaker explosion. ~ billakay

This is a device also known as a neutron bomb...

66 posted on 11/27/2007 7:02:10 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: dervish

Ref Bump


67 posted on 11/27/2007 7:04:43 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: iThinkBig
John Bolton was an American patriot. I wish he would run for President.

From your keyboard to God's eyes...

68 posted on 11/27/2007 7:07:18 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: dervish
the conclusion everyone seems to be missing in this is that if Syria was putting together an Atomic warhead, and had the plutonium to do so...

... *IRAN* certainly already has such a similar device built and stored.

The constant, resurfacing B***S*** that "the Iranian bomb is N years away" is just to keep the sheep from being spooked.

69 posted on 11/27/2007 7:16:49 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper
the conclusion everyone seems to be missing in this is that if Syria was putting together an Atomic warhead, and had the plutonium to do so...

Syria may have been where Irans first viable warheads were being assembled. Could explain why the Iranians have in the short term been so vocal about making a bomb from scratch. 'Look at me over here'. 'I am making one from scratch and my public progress states I am 2 years away'. While these rants are occurring, the Iranians assemble one in Syria with components from various sources. Syria is also a prime location for striking both Israel and Baghdad with short range missiles. Iran might be back to Plan B. They may be forced to rely on their domestic skills now.

70 posted on 11/27/2007 9:14:51 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I’d be very surprised if we aren’t able to detect the remains of a sizeable plutonium stash left at the site via remote satellite, but I do NOT want anyone publicly confirming my suspicion that we can.

According to reports, Israel sent in a commando team to take samples and verify what was going on at the facility. The US supposedly required this before it would 'ok' the strike. So, no US capabilities need to be released to verify to the world what was struck within Syria. And no US personal are required for the Israelis to explain to the world what 'they' did. Israel also supposedly had an informant working within the complex.

71 posted on 11/27/2007 9:22:48 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: dervish

A big BTTT


72 posted on 11/27/2007 9:26:09 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: RayChuang88
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RayChuang88,


Good assessment of the proposed nuclear weapon.


My only question is the delivery system.

My guess is that "everything" in Iranian / Syrian airspace is tracked 24/7/365 by "combined" US-Israeli assets ...

Accordingly, there's absolutely no way any Syrian MIG could ever reach Tel Aviv ... even on a suicide mission.

Moreover, about a dozen major sites in "both" Syria and Iran (and maybe even North Korea) would be nuked "beyond recognition" by the Israelis ...

Isreal "does" have a submarine "missile boat" capable of delivering nukes to either Saudi Arabia or even North Korea.



Assad (Syria) was raised by his father ... and neither are Islamic Suicidal Lunatics ...

Assad would have a better (easier) death drinking a gallon of Zolof ... than to deliberately die in a guaranteed Israeli Nuclear Counter Strike.



Patton-at-Bastogne



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73 posted on 11/27/2007 9:39:50 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Angels and Ministers of Grace, Defend Us ! ... StarTrek V, The Voyage Home ...)
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To: chilepepper; justa-hairyape

Yes. That and NK is not reliable so stop the Clintonesque talks which only tie our hands.

As to Syria as assembly factory, that’s what surrogates are for.


74 posted on 11/27/2007 12:14:44 PM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: justa-hairyape
i have no doubt you are correct except in saying this is the very first one they assembled.

I suspect that they already have "demonstrator model" (or ten) hidden away somewhere in Iran where they have learned how to put these together - - assembling one in Syria to be placed on a medium range rocket that can hit Tel Aviv, which tells me that for all practical purposes the device is operational and WWIII really was avoided by the IAF raid

75 posted on 11/27/2007 12:19:04 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; justa-hairyape; iThinkBig; null and void

I disagree. Hoekstra and Ros-Lehtinen are acting as watch dogs here for a notoriously appeasement minded leftist Arabist State Department.

“On matters like this, we need to trust the President we elected and the inner circle of advisors he has in turn selected.”

I sure as heck don’t trust Rice, didn’t trust Powell/Armitage. I do/did trust John Bolton. It speaks volumes that he is now out of the government. He warned of this in 2003.


76 posted on 11/27/2007 12:20:53 PM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: dervish
I do/did trust John Bolton. It speaks volumes that he is now out of the government. He warned of this in 2003.

IMHO - The mainstream US Government has lost almost all credibility on the issue regarding Syrian nukes. The Israelis had to bring it to our attention. And then apparently we did not believe their intel. Heck, Dennis the Menace was in Syria while the strike occurred. Pelosi was recently over there negotiating and trying out new burkhas. While all that was occurring the Syrians were apparently assembling a nuclear weapon to annihilate Tel Aviv. And we do not even have to bring in the recent fumbling of the Saddam WMD issue. These Globalists are half witted fools at best. Why else would they turn their backs on defending the United States Constitution ?

77 posted on 11/27/2007 1:19:15 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
According to reports, Israel wanted to strike last summer, but we postponed it until after the NK ship landed and stuff was unloaded and taken to the site in question.

By waiting we caught NK red-handed.

78 posted on 11/27/2007 1:56:48 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: chilepepper

RE post 69. My first thought was, if NK gave the plutonium to Syria, why haven’t they sold some to Iran? Answer, they probably have and we are in big trouble.


79 posted on 11/27/2007 2:02:40 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: txflake
By waiting we caught NK red-handed.

Very plausible, but our prize for catching them 'red handed' is that we are now forcing them to negotiate in 'good faith'. And apparently we now have to remain silent about the genocidal behavior of the Norkies towards the Jews ?

80 posted on 11/27/2007 2:15:11 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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