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The line between tacky and crooked (Mike Huckabee)
Arkansas News Bureau ^ | November 15, 2007 | John Brummett

Posted on 11/23/2007 4:54:14 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Mike Huckabee's most vigorous and able nemesis in Arkansas is the unabashedly liberal and uncommonly activist editor of the weekly free tabloid in Little Rock.

I've been knowing and admiring Max Brantley of the Arkansas Times for 30 years, since we were lads breaking in at the late, lamented Arkansas Gazette. He went to bat with higher-ups to make me a columnist. Then, when I up and quit one day, they made him the columnist. There wasn't any drop-off that I could tell, and I'm being kind to myself.

He's one of the smartest people I know. He's one of the most blustery. He's one of the most passionate. He's one of the most partisan.

I'm over here growing steadily less certain of things. Max seems to have come out of the womb certain and to have become more convinced ever since. He is capable of uncompromising disdain, most prominently toward the Huckster and the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, which killed his beloved paper.

Max and his wife, Ellen, the judge, are old friends of Bill and Hillary. Ellen and Hillary were in college together. That's just something we need to put out there.

Max has been brooding and stewing, not so much that Huckabee has risen to national prominence, since he probably figures Huckabee is about what the Republicans deserve, but that he's done it by charming many national reporters who haven't bothered asking anyone in Arkansas about the fatally flawed essence of this man.

So it happened that Salon, the popular liberal on-line magazine, invited Max to write something. Max did. It was his sassiest and brassiest and best. I invite you to read it at www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee.

Brantley acknowledges good and progressive elements of Huckabee's record. But then those personal failings get laid out - Huckabee's setting up a nonprofit organization to supplement his lieutenant governor's salary with anonymous donations; Huckabee's using the Governor's Mansion account for personal groceries; Huckabee's acceptance of gifts galore; Huckabee's wanting castrated rapist Wayne Dumond freed because of misplaced compassion and a paranoid distrust of all things having to do with Clinton, then not owning up to it; Mike and Janet's setting up a gift registry for themselves as they prepared to set up housekeeping post-Governor's Mansion.

My take always has been that Huckabee is altogether more tacky than corrupt. Much of what he pulled as governor and lieutenant governor was permitted by law and rule, but represented a sense of entitlement that people of more refined sensibilities would eschew.

What most separates Huckabee is his petulance and huffiness and hyperbolic squealing when he gets caught or challenged.

I happen to have received benefit of Huckabee's early thinking on these matters. This occurred either while he was lieutenant governor, or, more specifically, during that transition when he was preparing to replace Jim Guy Tucker.

He told me that ethics cannot be regulated by government and that procedures set up presuming to do so merely invite harassment by partisan political enemies. He thinks morality is your own business, yours and God's, and that politically appointed bureaucrats and partisan newspapermen can't possibly worm themselves credibly into that relationship.

My conclusion is that Huckabee has good qualities and deplorable ones. The good ones commend him for this national prominence, but the deplorable ones ought to disqualify him for the presidency.

The last person in whom I saw such contradiction and complexity went on to a presidency that showcased those very contradictions and complexities.

Am I equating the sins of these sons of Hope? I'll let a higher power compile those rankings. I'm saying that, politically, they inevitably amount to a kind of wash.

It's not illegal to receive oral sex from an intern, though it amounted to a kind of sexual abuse in a presidential case. It was not illegal, though perhaps it ought to have been, to be a governor letting a rich guy who is a personal friend outfit you in good suits.

What you choose to overlook and abhor depends on which partisan way you lean. You can disregard Mark Rich's pardon and obsess on Wayne Dumond's parole. Or the other way around.


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Arkansas Conservative Accomplishments

by Jerry Cox (President, Arkansas Family Council)

Mike Huckabee has been my friend and strong ally for over 23 years.  Long
before his involvement in politics, he was a defender of the unborn, a
promoter of character in our schools, and stalwart champion for traditional
values.  In the political arena, as the Governor of Arkansas, he was
successful in fighting for those same values.  His compassion for people,
his command of the issues, his faith in God, and his genuine desire to work
with people on both sides of the aisle are a rare find in the politics of
today.  I believe his years of tireless service to all the people of
Arkansas and his vision for the future make Mike Huckabee an excellent
choice for President of the United States.


*The following is a list of conservative accomplishments directly outlined
by Jerry Cox during Mike huckabee¹s tenure as governor.

³1.  Banning Same-Sex Marriage:  Arkansas became one of the first states in
the nation to pass a state law that defines marriage as the union of a man
and a woman.  Through the leadership of pro-family legislators and with the
backing of the governor and his staff, Family Council took the lead in the
successful passage of this law.  Later, Family Council strengthened
Arkansas¹ pro-marriage position by securing a state constitutional amendment
banning same-sex marriage.

2.  Banning Partial-Birth Abortions:  Arkansas was one of the first states
in the nation to ban partial-birth abortions.  Family Council worked for the
better part of an entire legislative session to secure passage of this
pro-life legislation.  Even though this law was later struck down in federal
court, it solidified public opinion against this especially gruesome form of
abortion.

3.  Reducing Unwed Births:  During the years when Bill Clinton was governor
of Arkansas, Arkansas became known as a state where contraceptives were
dispensed thorough health clinics located in public schools.  Governor
Huckabee established the Governor¹s Steering Committee on Abstinence
Education and asked Family Council staff attorney, Martha Adcock, to chair
the committee.  Each year, this committee awards over $1 million in state
and federal funds to local groups that are teaching abstinence.  State
funding for contraceptives in schools has been discontinued.  For the first
time, Arkansas¹ unwed birth rate is declining.

4.  Passing Covenant Marriage Legislation:  Arkansas has one of the highest
divorce rates in the nation. In response to this, Arkansas became the third
state in the nation to pass a covenant marriage law.  This new law enables
couples to obtain a covenant marriage license that requires pre-marriage
counseling and makes it more difficult for them to obtain a divorce.
Governor Huckabee and his staff led the effort to pass this legislation and
Family Council was pleased to assist them.

5.  Informed Consent Abortion Law:  Family Council and other pro-family
organizations worked 10 years to secure passage of a law requiring doctors
to inform women about the risks and alternatives to abortion and wait until
the next day before performing the abortion.  Governor Huckabee testified
before legislative committees as far back as when he was lieutenant
governor.  We celebrated the culmination of a ten-year struggle when
Governor Huckabee signed the bill into law in 2001.

6.  Supporting Home Schooling:  When Mike Huckabee became governor, Arkansas
had one of the worst home school laws in the nation.  A joint effort between
the governor, Family Council, other home school leaders, and the Arkansas
Department of Education, helped secure the passage of much better home
school legislation.  The number of Arkansas children enrolled in home
schooling has tripled since Mike Huckabee became governor.

7.  Internet Safety in Public Schools and Libraries:  Family Council and
conservative lawmakers initiated a successful effort to require public
schools to install Internet filters on their computers that are connected to
the Internet.  In addition, Arkansas law requires all public libraries to
implement a policy to ensure that people are not able to access
inappropriate material on library computers. Governor Huckabee and his staff
assisted with the passage of this legislation.

8.  Hosting Conferences on the Family:  Recognizing the importance of strong
families, Governor Huckabee sponsored three conferences on the Family.
Family Council partnered with the governor and his staff to bring nationally
recognized experts to Arkansas to address ways to strengthen families.

9.  Passage of the Fetal Protection Act:  The tragic deaths of unborn
children, some just days away from safe delivery, prompted the passage of a
law that enables murder charges to be filed against anyone who assaults the
mother of an unborn child causing the death of her baby.  Governor Huckabee
and his staff led the effort to pass this law and Family Council was pleased
to assist them.

10.  Safe Haven Act to Protect Newborns:  The deaths of abandoned newborns
motivated Family Council to address the issue through the successful passage
of legislation allowing mothers to anonymously drop off their newborn baby
at a police station or hospital rather than abandoning the child to die.
Governor Huckabee supported this legislation and signed it into law.

11.  Parental Consent for Abortions:  Since 1989, Arkansas doctors have been
required to notify at least one parent before performing an abortion on a
minor.  In 2005, Family Council worked for the successful passage of a law
requiring parental consent before a doctor can perform an abortion on a
minor.  Governor Huckabee and his staff assisted with the passage of this
legislation.

12.  Covenant Marriage Celebration:  In 2005, Family Council assisted the
Governor¹s office and FamilyLife in promoting a covenant marriage
celebration in Little Rock.  The event was attended by over 6,000 people,
many of whom converted their marriage to a covenant marriage.

13.  Banning Physician-Assisted Suicide:  The legalization of
physician-assisted suicide in Oregon prompted the passage of an Arkansas law
banning the practice in our state.  Family Council and our Physician¹s
Resource Council division worked with supportive legislators and the
governor¹s office to pass this law.

14.  Banning Human Cloning:  Arkansas became the second state in the nation
to ban the cloning of human beings, including the cloning of human embryos.
The Arkansas Physicians Resource Council division of Family Council worked
with the governor¹s office to secure passage of this legislation.

15.  Affirming the Rights of the Terminally Ill:  Family Council worked with
the governor and supportive legislators to enact legislation that empowers
terminally ill patients to overrule doctor¹s orders that food and water be
withheld as long as they are able to request it.

16.  Choose Life License Plate:  Passage of the Choose Life specialty
license plate has generated thousands of dollars for adoption agencies and
crisis pregnancy centers across the state of Arkansas.  Family Council
assisted Arkansas Right to Life with the passage of this legislation.

17.  Repealing Outcomes-Based Education:  When Mike Huckabee became
governor, outcomes-based education was a primary emphasis with the Arkansas
Department of Education.  The governor and his staff led an effort in 1997
to move Arkansas away from an outcomes-based education philosophy.  This,
coupled with changes at the Arkansas Department of Education and on the
State Board of Education, moved Arkansas public schools toward a more
traditional system.

18.  Stronger DWI Legislation:  The Arkansas Faith and Ethics Council,
Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, and Family Council worked with the governor¹s
office to secure passage of legislation that lowers the legal limit for DWI
from .10 to .08 percent blood alcohol content.

19.  Good Appointments to State Boards and Commissions:  The governor is
responsible for appointing citizens to serve on over 300 state boards and
commissions.  These boards and commissions affect virtually every area of
life in Arkansas.  Family Council has been pleased to assist the governor¹s
office by recommending qualified individuals to serve on them.

20.  Endorsement of the Arkansas Marriage Amendment:  When the effort to
pass a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage needed
endorsement from Arkansas leaders, Governor Mike Huckabee was the first one
to publicly voice his support.  Eventually a bi-partisan group of elected
officials and ministers from across the state supported the measure.

21.  Office of Family Policy:  Governor Huckabee became the first governor
in the history of Arkansas to establish an Office of Family Policy.  Staffed
by individuals who support traditional values, this office set a pro-family
tone for all of state government.  They enabled the governor to lead the way
in passing pro-family legislation and establishing pro-family policies
throughout state government.  Early on in his administration, Governor
Huckabee issued an order to all state agencies requiring them to evaluate
their policies and programs to be certain that they were doing no harm to
the family.

22.  A Great Working Relationship With Family Council:  One of the first
things Mike Huckabee did when be became governor of Arkansas was to
communicate to his entire cabinet and to the heads of all state agencies
that he considered Family Council to be a friend and that they were to, as
much as possible, work with me and my staff.  This set the tone for a great
working relationship that enabled us to work with just about everyone in
state government.


Jerry Cox is president of the Arkansas Family Council.  He served on the
Pulaski County Quorum Court and he is the past director of Unborn Child
Amendment Committee.  He is a former classroom teacher.  Jerry and his
family live in Little Rock, Arkansas.

21 posted on 11/23/2007 8:59:26 AM PST by dano1
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To: dano1

22 posted on 11/23/2007 10:39:01 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: dano1

“18. Stronger DWI Legislation: The Arkansas Faith and Ethics Council,
Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, and Family Council worked with the governor¹s
office to secure passage of legislation that lowers the legal limit for DWI
from .10 to .08 percent blood alcohol content.”

Ronald Reagan signed one of the most unconstitutional bills in history thanks to the radical group known as MADD. It was so ridiculous that even the founder of MADD left the group and now speaks out against them. This is NOT, I repeat, NOT a positive for a conservative.


23 posted on 11/23/2007 10:51:48 AM PST by Bull Market (Thompson/Paul 08 - Republicans, Libertarians, Independents MUST join forces to defeat Hitlery)
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To: Bull Market
I also take issue with the reporter's comment that "sex with an intern is not illegal."

Of course Bill Clinton's messing about with Monica was illegal on 2 fronts: Boss/employee, combined with the age difference.

At least in MHO, that made the whole tawdry thing illegal.

24 posted on 11/23/2007 11:22:06 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

I absolutely hate the misuse of “progressive” by the Left. There’s very little, if any, progress that gets created by the “progressive” agenda, which word is really just a euphemism for “socialism”.


25 posted on 11/23/2007 1:47:37 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I DID NOT KNOW THAT!

(go fred go)

26 posted on 11/23/2007 1:52:23 PM PST by Ditter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's not illegal to receive oral sex from an intern, though it amounted to a kind of sexual abuse in a presidential case. It was not illegal, though perhaps it ought to have been, to be a governor letting a rich guy who is a personal friend outfit you in good suits.

Help me out here. There... is... some... modicum of moral parity that I'm supposed to see?

27 posted on 11/23/2007 1:55:47 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Ditter; 2ndDivisionVet
Fred has been a major disappointment, IMHO. Did you see the following article?

Thompson motivation hard to pinpoint
Politico | 11/23/2007 | Jonathan Martin

"(excerpt) After a long-awaited and overly hyped debut, Thompson endured a gaffe-prone first few weeks. After suffering through lampooning so severe that it even broke through the pop culture bubble via "Saturday Night Live," Thompson has sought to bounce back by focusing on his true passion: policy and ideas. ... Even his own aides and advisers acknowledge privately that there are days when he seems disinterested in running for president at all. ... But just what sort of factor Thompson will be is as difficult to figure out as the motivations, work habits and true ambitions of the candidate himself. “It’s getting a little late for Thompson, who may have squandered an almost unprecedented opportunity,” said American Conservative Union Chairman David Keene."

28 posted on 11/23/2007 2:06:03 PM PST by dano1
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To: FreedomPoster

“Progressive” in the John V. Lindsay sense means that the government grows stronger at the expense of individuals. That’s what it is about, and many are willing to turn to government for “solutions”.


29 posted on 11/23/2007 3:47:20 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: dano1

I’d recommend not believing everything you read, and half of what you see. I note the sources are anonymous, which immediately raises my suspicions.

I’m not familiar with that site. What is their agenda, generally? Are they shilling for any candidates in particular?

A little searching around reveals this about the site:

# Editor in Chief, John F. Harris (former political editor of The Washington Post)
# Executive Editor, Jim VandeHei (former national political reporter of The Washington Post)

Hmmm. The site was started in January of 2007, so these guys are recent Posties. The chances of them being friends of Conservatives are two: slim, and none.


30 posted on 11/23/2007 4:19:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Ditter; 2ndDivisionVet

See my post just above, responding to dano1’s post slamming Thompson.

I’ll note that his recent posting history is filled with A) defending Huckabee and B) posting that slam on Thompson, which I’ve already noted is from a pretty questionable source.


31 posted on 11/23/2007 4:27:40 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: basil

Nobody with any sense wanted to impeach Clinton because he had oral sex with an intern. Most Presidents would have quit in shame, but that was not an impeachable offense. Committing perjury in a federal sexual harassment case was an impeachable offense for the guy who is under oath to enforce the law. Not to mention the obstruction of justice.


32 posted on 11/23/2007 4:34:40 PM PST by Defiant ("Expectorate" has Specter in it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; OAKC0N; time4good; Mike32; genxer; PatriotEdition; Simul iustus et peccator; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

33 posted on 11/23/2007 4:38:40 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Defiant

Bingo on that. One of the first signs of a Clintonite is arguing that it was “all about sex”, when the real issue is as you outline. The next sign is going ballistic and then silent when confronted with your facts, and the fact that he was disbarred for his perjury (thus proving the seriousness of the event).


34 posted on 11/23/2007 4:38:49 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When a couple of scumbag liberals start beating up on Huckabee, it’s time to wonder if maybe he deserves another look. On the other hand, I’ve pretty much drawn my own conclusions about Huck and I don’t want him anywhere near the Oval Office. In any event, screw these liberals - - Huck may be a crappy Republican, but he’s OUR crappy Republican.


35 posted on 11/23/2007 4:47:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Defiant
Of course you are correct--he was impeached for lying under oath.

However, in today's workplace at least, I think his little deal with Monica would be considered against the law. Maybe not the age difference, because she was apparently only to happy to service him---but the boss/employee thing might apply.

Whatever, I'm still thrilled that he will ever be the "Impeached POTUS"---LOL!

36 posted on 11/23/2007 5:35:02 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Personally, I refuse to allow left-wing Marxists to hi-jack the honorable terms Liberal or Progressive.

Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal. Liberal as in open-minded and empowering individual rights given by God and not subject to ursurptation by the nanny state.

Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive. Progressive as in fostering progress by reigning in the powerful and holding them accountable for unethical and immoral behavior. Progressive as in projecting American values and power around the world.

The Marxist left is neither Liberal nor Progressive. Since they won't name themselves truthfully, I prefer to use the term Lieberal, because their degenerate philosophy is based on lies.

37 posted on 11/23/2007 6:04:54 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: dano1
You can be disappointed with Fred, I am not. I told you on another thread, this is media junk to demoralize possible supporters. I am *not* demoralized, I like the fact that he is not willing to lie, steal and kill for the job. I agree with his positions more than any other candidate and I have already sent him a donation and there will be more sent. Peddle your MSM garbage somewhere else.
38 posted on 11/23/2007 6:41:38 PM PST by Ditter
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To: basil

In today’s workplace, it would be a firing offense, and a grounds for Monica to sue the boss and the employer. Still not a crime to get a BJ from the intern, though, so long as she is of age. I think Monica was 19.


39 posted on 11/23/2007 7:22:34 PM PST by Defiant ("Expectorate" has Specter in it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sorry to ping you back to this thread, but I just saw something that was interesting. {Maybe I should have started my own thread?}

I never watch "Kenneth Copeland ministries" but on his show a few minutes ago was none other than Mike Huckabee. They were discussing lots of things, but the main issue was "character" {shades of 1992 ?}.

I'm Baptist, and don't generally watch "TV" preachers. A few give me some bad impressions. I'm neutral toward the majority. Maybe I'm being uneasy over nothing.

I'll quit rambling and throw in a link.

40 posted on 11/25/2007 6:34:01 AM PST by labette
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