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44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed
ABC News ^ | November 22, 2007 | Chuck Goudie

Posted on 11/22/2007 1:21:57 PM PST by Wallaby

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To: uglybiker

Happy to do lunch with an Upper Echelon Member; however, I only consume pure energy from gamma rays emitted by the planet Jupiter when its solar orbit is in perihelion with that of earth.


141 posted on 11/23/2007 10:25:33 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Eighth Square

Thank yew verruh much; I owe a debt of gratitude to Elvis, who’s become my Illuminati Brother and my future Secretary of State after I’ve been appointed Emperor in the coming Reign of the Alpha Centaurians.


142 posted on 11/23/2007 10:29:37 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: fuzzthatwuz

Dennis? Is that you...? I thought you had been cloned by the centipede creatures whose kingdom is on an exact duplicate of earth which exists in the fifth dimension, and that you were living on a walnut farm buried deep in the bowels of Uranus.


143 posted on 11/23/2007 10:35:03 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: mark_interrupted

Thank you - the truth is often more interesting than any fiction.


144 posted on 11/23/2007 10:36:05 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Ditter

Thanks. All my reference books and notes which would help me out on this are in a storage unit that I can’t get to, so I can’t be much help.

I’ve tried to verify Lady Bird’s alleged ownership of B&R stock and have never been able to. I worked for them in *mumblemumble70mumble* and wrote for BrownBuilder, among other things for the company and separately, for Halliburton later.

At that time, long after the Halliburton merger, the boards hadn’t even really merged, except for Geo R. Brown, who was still alive and coming to the office every day, tho blind. I know he was on the Halliburton BofD. As I recall, B&R was wholly owned by the family Trust, the Brown Foundation, when Halliburton bought it after Herman Brown’s death in 1962.

Whether or not Lady Bird was a non-family part of the Foundation at that time is not known to me. And whether or not the Brown family ceded to her some Halliburton stock for some reason is also not known to me.

As I understood it, she owned a small piece of a natural gas processing plant in Odessa that was bought by B&R long before all this and thus, had a small stake. I believe all the business and monkey business the Browns did with LBJ was in cash and the last thing they would’ve wanted was for him or his family to be stockholders.

They had already gotten into a lot of trouble way back in LBJ’s state legislature days or maybe Senate days, with the IRS on their huge LBJ campaign contributions. I wasn’t around for any of that, but it was still going on 20 years later, when I was. In fact, it was the South Texas shenanigans (votes written in green ink for Yarborough) that made me a Goldwater true believer as a kid in ‘60 and teen in ‘64.

So, I’m always surprised when I see these various statements that range from Lady Bird owning a little Halliburton stock (probably closest to the truth), to her owning the whole company (ha!), to her owning all of B&R - KBR, to her having started Halliburton to her family having started it! Sheesh, people! (Not you, Ditter - the others.)


145 posted on 11/23/2007 12:56:17 PM PST by Rte66
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To: Bommer
The trajectory wounds line up perfectly so there was no "Magic bullet....If facts instead of tin foil stupidity by pseudo experts, their case crumbles. Vincent Bugilosi [sic] also backed up Posners claims in Reclaiming History!

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Pennsylvania)
June 3, 2007 Sunday
EPIC BOOK RESURRECTS FINDING THAT OSWALD ACTED ALONE IN KILLING JFK
Reviewer: Josiah Thompson

Bugliosi has performed a useful function by scrubbing away a number of nutty theories that have surfaced since Nov. 22, 1963.

But what about Bugliosi's more serious intent -- to resuscitate a variant of the Warren Commission's account of the assassination?

In 1993, another lawyer, Gerald Posner, tried the same thing in his book "Case Closed." Yet Bugliosi cites numerous examples of Posner's "distortion" and "misrepresentation." He quotes approvingly a Washington Post review of Posner's book, which criticized him for presenting "only the evidence that supports the case he's trying to build, framing the evidence in a way that misleads readers."

But this is exactly what Bugliosi does. Like any experienced prosecutor, he highlights the evidence that furthers his case while ignoring or confusing contrary evidence. Examples of this approach can be found almost everywhere in the book.

Take his spirited defense of Warren Commission junior counsel Arlen Specter's "single-bullet theory." Bugliosi agrees that this theory -- that Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally were hit by the same bullet -- is necessary to conclude that Oswald acted alone. He also acknowledges that the theory was developed by Specter and other commission staff members in the spring of 1964 to save the single-assassin conclusion. He also notes that when the time came to approve it, the commission split down the middle.

To his credit, he tells us Connally denied from first to last that he was hit by the same bullet that hit Kennedy. His wife, Nellie, testified that she heard a shot and saw the president react to being hit. Only then did she see and hear a second shot crash into her husband's back.

Bugliosi tells us Nellie Connally was "confused" and that her husband relied upon her confusion. However, you will find nowhere in Bugliosi's book the fact that no witness in Dealey Plaza could attest to both men being hit by the same shot or that the FBI's review of the Zapruder film led them to conclude Connally and Kennedy were hit separately.

He tells us that Dr. Malcolm Perry at Parkland Hospital estimated the size of the supposed bullet exit hole in JFK's throat to be "3 mm to 5 mm in diameter," but he neglects to tell us that wound ballistics experts at Edgewood Arsenal carried out experiments showing bullets from Oswald's rifle would cause exit wounds two to three times that size.

Even more egregious is his handling of the trajectory through JFK's back and neck. A face-sheet on which notes were taken during the autopsy shows the supposed exit wound in the throat to be higher than the entry wound in the back.

When the autopsy photos were finally produced in the 1970s, a medical panel concluded that the course of the bullet through Kennedy was at an upward angle (the accepted number is 11 degrees). So how does Kennedy get shot from the sixth floor of a building when the bullet takes an upward path through his body?

The Warren Commission took the simplest course. The staff let the autopsy doctor instruct a medical illustrator to raise the back wound from the back to the neck. Commission member U.S. Rep. Gerald Ford then corrected a final draft of the panel's report to read "neck wound" rather than "back wound." Voila, a "back wound" had become a "neck wound."

Faced with that 11 degree upward angle, the House Select Committee on Assassinations took a more inventive approach in its 1978-79 investigation. It just leaned Kennedy forward at the time he was shot.

And Connally, who took a shot at a 27-degree downward angle? His body position was leaned back a sufficient amount. Voila, an 11-degree upward angle through one body had become a 27-degree downward angle through a second body, thus a straight line had been maintained.

Like any good prosecutor, Bugliosi admits it was "upward" but never tells us how much. Then he publishes a diagram from the House's report showing Kennedy bent forward. He says in a caption that the diagram shows "his head tilted forward slightly more than it actually was as shown in the Zapruder film."

That's quite an understatement since the Zapruder film never shows Kennedy bending forward at all. He's sitting erect in the back seat waving to the crowd. Then when the limousine travels behind a sign and emerges three-quarters of a second later, he's sitting erect but wounded.

The Zapruder frames contained in Bugliosi's book show Kennedy never took the position he had to take for the Warren Commission's single-bullet theory to work.

Bugliosi gets it to work by telling his readers only part of the story and by using a diagram even he admits is inaccurate. This prosecutorial approach infects the whole book and makes it unreliable as a guide to the evidence.


146 posted on 11/23/2007 1:45:16 PM PST by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby

Sounds like something from James Ellroy.


147 posted on 11/23/2007 5:07:11 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: Jack Hammer
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!

NO more calls, please.

We have a winner!

And a bonus set of undocumented gay whales who fight global warming...

148 posted on 11/23/2007 6:26:10 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: fabian

Gullible? You 11-22 Truthers can’t even agree who did it let alone know how it was done. Do some research and explain step by step how it was done and you’ll know who did it.


149 posted on 11/24/2007 5:44:24 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Wallaby

Thanks for the info. Wonder if Mr. Traficant will run for Congress when he gets out. He’d fit right in... M


150 posted on 11/24/2007 7:29:06 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

many reputable researchers have exposed who did it and have even had a confession of one of the hit men. And the doctors at parkland hospital reported a large exit wound in the back of Kennedy’s head. It is extremely gullible to overlook that fact. Not to mention the many people who heard and ran over to the knoll area where the front shots happened. Come on now, use your common sense!


151 posted on 11/24/2007 8:28:11 AM PST by fabian
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To: fabian
A so-called confession was made by a convict already serving time in prison. He was basking in the limelight from some gullible reporters. The doctor who reported the "large hole in the back" wasn't on the emergency room team. He was a resident who was pushed out of the room because he had no business being there. When he wrote his book, the other doctors immediately hit the talk shows and the book landed in the dollar bin at the local bookstores. The people who ran toward the parking lot went there to observe the limo going up Stemmons Freeway toward Parkland Hospital.

You know nothing about this crime. You don't seem to have the slightest idea who the shooter was, the number of bullets fired or the injuries. You don't appear to have an idea how close the so-called knoll is from the closest witnesses. You don't have the basic knowledge of ballistics or trajectories. You don't understand bullet impacts.

What you have is the same investigative skills as the average 9-11 truther. You don't understand how a building can fall down or how a plane can hit the Pentagon so you simply make up your own reality.

Answer this: Where are all the bullets fired from the so-called "Grassy Knoll"?

152 posted on 11/24/2007 9:03:12 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: fabian

No logical. If you had any logic instead of Oliver Stones movie, you would too.


153 posted on 11/24/2007 12:38:17 PM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: Shooter 2.5

actually I have done quite a bit of research on the assasination...not as much as the house select committee of congress which also concluded that there was more than one shooter. I am in good company...and if you do better research on the forensic report by various doctors at parkland hospital and the attending nurse, you will find that they all reported a large exit wound in the back of the head. And those people were clearly running towards the grassy knoll where they reported hearing gunfire. Do you think I am that gullible or misinformed as you are? You need to be more objective to the information.


154 posted on 11/24/2007 7:49:28 PM PST by fabian
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To: fabian

Repeating the exact same nonsense doesn’t get you anywhere.

Since you don’t know anything about the crime scene, I’ll ask you a part of your fantasy so it will get you searching for facts: Where are all those bullets that were reputed to originate from the grassy knoll?

If you can’t answer that one, you better consider the fact you don’t have a clue.


155 posted on 11/24/2007 8:14:01 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I know more than you would like to admit...and so did the house select committee. You are making yourself sound like a person who wants to kling to a false belief regardless of the facts. Be my guest, but you are very wrong and quite gullible. I hope you get better...your awareness of the facts, that is.


156 posted on 11/24/2007 8:34:16 PM PST by fabian
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To: Jeff Chandler

Is that The Dead Kennedy’s?


157 posted on 11/24/2007 8:35:49 PM PST by BreezyDog
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snuffed

158 posted on 07/03/2011 2:33:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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159 posted on 07/03/2011 2:34:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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Thank you Dallas! Good night!

44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed | ABC News | November 22, 2007 | Chuck Goudie | Posted on 11/22/2007 1:21:57 PM PST by Wallaby

160 posted on 07/03/2011 2:35:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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