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Have we sealed the universe's fate by looking at it?
EurekAlert ^ | 21-Nov-2007 | Lawrence Krauss

Posted on 11/21/2007 10:55:16 AM PST by crazyshrink

HAVE we hastened the demise of the universe by looking at it? That’s the startling question posed by a pair of physicists, who suggest that we may have accidentally nudged the universe closer to its death by observing dark energy, which is thought to be speeding up cosmic expansion.

Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and colleague James Dent suggest that by making this observation in 1998 we may have caused the universe to revert to a state similar to early in its history, when it was more likely to end. “Incredible as it seems, our detection of the dark energy may have reduced the life-expectancy of the universe,” says Krauss.

The researchers came to their conclusion by calculating how the energy state of our universe might have evolved. Until recently, cosmologists thought that the big bang 13.7 billion years ago occurred after a bubble of weird high-energy “false vacuum” with repulsive gravity decayed into a zero-energy “ordinary” vacuum. The energy released during this transition could have made matter and heated it to a ferocious temperature, which essentially created the massive explosion of the big bang. The discovery of dark energy - and the realisation that the universe’s expansion is accelerating - reveals that the vacuum may not have decayed to zero energy, but to another false vacuum state. In other words, some energy was retained in this vacuum, and this is accelerating the universe’s expansion.

Like the decay of a radioactive atom, such shifts in energy state happen at random. “So it is entirely possible it could decay again, wiping the slate of our universe clean,” says Krauss. If this transition did happen, everything in our universe would cease to exist.

The fact that we are still here means this can’t have happened yet. But cosmologists have long puzzled over why this should be, particularly as the probability of the false vacuum of our universe having survived decreases exponentially over time.

Building on a discovery made in the 1950s, Krauss’s calculations show that if the universe did happen to hold out past a certain threshold, its chance of staying stable are substantially increased. In 1958, Russian physicist L. Khalfin discovered that after an extremely long time, the probability of a quantum system having survived stops falling exponentially and switches to a slower rate of decline. This means that if the false vacuum of the universe survives to the switching point between the two rates, it will effectively become eternal. This is because the false vacuum is known to grow exponentially fast, and past the switching point it will be created faster than it can be eaten away by any decay, he says.

According to Krauss, the smaller the energy gap between the false vacuum and zero, the earlier the switching point between the two rates. And - surprise, surprise - we live in a universe where the vacuum energy is just above zero, so we could be well past the crucial switching point.

At first glance, this seems like good news for us because it would mean our universe is on track to survive forever. However, things may not be as good as they seem, Krauss says. At the quantum level, whenever we observe or measure something, we reset its clock and stop it decaying - something known as the quantum Zeno effect. Our measurement of the light from supernovae in 1998, which provided evidence of dark energy, may have reset the false vacuum’s decay clock to zero - back to a point when the likelihood of its surviving was falling exponentially over time. “In short, we may have snatched away the possibility of long-term survival for our universe and made it more likely it will decay,” says Krauss.

Krauss’s claim is controversial. Max Tegmark of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology maintains that the quantum Zeno effect does not require humans to make observations of light. “Galaxies have ‘observed’ the dark energy long before we evolved,” he says, as they were affected by it and were encoding information about it. “When we humans in turn observe the light from these galaxies, it changes nothing except our own knowledge.”

### Author: Marcus Chown

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkmatter; haltonarp; stringtheory; tegmarkiscorrect; universe
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1 posted on 11/21/2007 10:55:19 AM PST by crazyshrink
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To: crazyshrink

How would we know?


2 posted on 11/21/2007 10:56:42 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: crazyshrink

Okay, this is weird.........We should not look at that which we cannot see or else we will die........


3 posted on 11/21/2007 10:57:41 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: crazyshrink
My SUV is making the world heat up. And now, by looking around, I have doomed the universe!

I suck.

4 posted on 11/21/2007 10:57:53 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: crazyshrink

Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it would make a great plot for a SciFi novel.


5 posted on 11/21/2007 10:58:56 AM PST by Califelephant
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To: crazyshrink

“between the false vacuum and zero”

You find this studies.


6 posted on 11/21/2007 10:59:24 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: crazyshrink
whenever we observe or measure something, we reset its clock and stop it decaying

Look at me, please!

7 posted on 11/21/2007 11:00:03 AM PST by So Cal Rocket
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To: Red Badger

8 posted on 11/21/2007 11:00:07 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: crazyshrink
Our measurement of the light from supernovae in 1998

Clinton's fault.

9 posted on 11/21/2007 11:00:38 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: crazyshrink

Solopism.

(If it wasn’t for me, the Boston Red Sox wouldn’t exist.)


10 posted on 11/21/2007 11:01:12 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: crazyshrink

Heisenberg Uncertaintly Principle. Makes perfect sense.


11 posted on 11/21/2007 11:01:56 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Califelephant

There was a short story by Stephen King called The Langoliers that was about something vaguely similar.


12 posted on 11/21/2007 11:02:46 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: So Cal Rocket

OK, I’m no physicist, but how does looking at something from quintillions of miles away have a DAMN thing to do with what the properties of that “something” do.

How can you “reset a clock” by LOOKING at it?


13 posted on 11/21/2007 11:02:49 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: crazyshrink
You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back
14 posted on 11/21/2007 11:02:54 AM PST by DManA
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To: crazyshrink

If a quantum state changes in the universe and nobody observes it, is Larry Krauss still a fruitcake?


15 posted on 11/21/2007 11:03:27 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: RockinRight
How can you “reset a clock” by LOOKING at it?

I dunno, but Helen Thomas can stop one.

16 posted on 11/21/2007 11:03:56 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: crazyshrink
The fact that we are still here means this can’t have happened yet.

This is the only "fact" in this entire article. The rest is supposition, possibility, and guesswork. I love science.

17 posted on 11/21/2007 11:04:18 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: crazyshrink

Reminds me of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I always loved this kind of stuff...


18 posted on 11/21/2007 11:04:29 AM PST by Tears of a Clown
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To: DManA

I remember when that came out.

I loved it!


19 posted on 11/21/2007 11:05:33 AM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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To: crazyshrink

If it goes to 11, best not look at it.


20 posted on 11/21/2007 11:05:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: crazyshrink
At first glance, this seems like good news for us because it would mean our universe is on track to survive forever. However, things may not be as good as they seem, Krauss says. At the quantum level, whenever we observe or measure something, we reset its clock and stop it decaying - something known as the quantum Zeno effect. Our measurement of the light from supernovae in 1998, which provided evidence of dark energy, may have reset the false vacuum’s decay clock to zero - back to a point when the likelihood of its surviving was falling exponentially over time. “In short, we may have snatched away the possibility of long-term survival for our universe and made it more likely it will decay,” says Krauss.

I quit reading here. This is the ramblings of some stoner.

21 posted on 11/21/2007 11:08:01 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Look familiar?..........

22 posted on 11/21/2007 11:08:44 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: crazyshrink

Techno-babble retelling of the Biblical story about eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.

I like the original better.


23 posted on 11/21/2007 11:09:30 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (“If a tax cut increases government revenues, you haven’t cut taxes enough.” –Milton Friedman)
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To: ClearCase_guy

>> I suck

Don’t worry. It may appears that way to you — but it’s just another one of those “false vacuum states” they’re talking about.


24 posted on 11/21/2007 11:11:26 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: realpatriot

Can you believe it was 30 years ago?

http://www.mendosa.com/fluke.html


25 posted on 11/21/2007 11:11:33 AM PST by DManA
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To: crazyshrink

Basically, this guy is saying we taunted the Happpy Fun Ball.


26 posted on 11/21/2007 11:11:39 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: crazyshrink

We screwed it all up when we landed on the moon. Should never have done that...


27 posted on 11/21/2007 11:13:28 AM PST by FishTale
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To: crazyshrink

‘Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio’

You gotta be kidding me....Case Western Reserve University, eh?

Can you get a degree via email from them for 25 dollah?

Just wondering, after reading this.


28 posted on 11/21/2007 11:13:28 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: crazyshrink

“Until recently, cosmologists thought that the big bang 13.7 billion years ago occurred after a bubble of weird high-energy “false vacuum” with repulsive gravity decayed into a zero-energy “ordinary” vacuum.”

However, after the cosmologists grabbed their makeup brushes and eyeliner, whipped out the lipstick and performed extreme makeovers on all the offended members of the gravity community, the now non-repulsive members, unoffended, walked away and began to have hot interstellar sex with real vacuum dudes.


29 posted on 11/21/2007 11:18:44 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: crazyshrink

I’m giggling a little. My three year old daughter still seems to think that if she can’t see me, I can’t see her. Silly physicists.


30 posted on 11/21/2007 11:19:40 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: crazyshrink
Well, seeing as we are as much a product of the universe as the stars themselves, I would say that, if this is so, the universe is unfolding exactly as it should.

Funny, I never thought the Desiderata would ever be applied to Cosmology... !

31 posted on 11/21/2007 11:21:37 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: FishTale

now - it will be when we unbury the monolith there


32 posted on 11/21/2007 11:22:25 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: crazyshrink
suggest that by making this observation in 1998 we may have caused the universe to revert to a state similar to early in its history, when it was more likely to end.

How will this affect my afternoon plans of shoving cats into boxes and randomly poisoning or not poisoning them?

33 posted on 11/21/2007 11:35:11 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: DManA

35, actually.


34 posted on 11/21/2007 11:35:55 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: crazyshrink

Did BUSH cause this too?


35 posted on 11/21/2007 11:36:38 AM PST by somfphite (We gotta do it, cause no one else will!)
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To: stuartcr

“Until recently, cosmologists THOUGHT that the big bang 13.7 billion years ago occurred after a bubble of weird high-energy “false vacuum” with repulsive gravity decayed into a zero-energy “ordinary” vacuum. The energy released during this transition COULD have made matter and heated it to a ferocious temperature, which essentially created the massive explosion of the big bang. The discovery of dark energy - and the realisation that the universe’s expansion is accelerating - reveals that the vacuum MAY not have decayed to zero energy, but to another false vacuum state. In other words, some energy was retained in this vacuum, and this is accelerating the universe’s expansion.”

And this is science! Sounds as good as “a green three-eyed alien stubbed his toe and the sparks ignited a big boom.”


36 posted on 11/21/2007 11:37:28 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: somfphite
Did BUSH cause this too?

It happened in 1998. All of XXX-42's antics were an attempt to get everyone to watch him instead of the supernova.

Bill Clinton: trying to save the universe one intern at a time.

37 posted on 11/21/2007 11:39:50 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: stuartcr
"The fact that we are still here means this can’t have happened yet."

No kidding.

Cordially,

38 posted on 11/21/2007 11:42:24 AM PST by Diamond
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To: crazyshrink

To me the whole concept of dark matter is a cosmological fudge which proves we really don’t have the big picture yet.


39 posted on 11/21/2007 11:51:06 AM PST by joebuck
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To: somfphite

It’s universal warming! The inconvenient truth is that we must shut down all astronomical observation devices now, or we are all doomed.


40 posted on 11/21/2007 11:52:13 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: crazyshrink

I don’t know about this.But, I do know that stories like this are speeding up my demise. bwahaha!


41 posted on 11/21/2007 11:56:49 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: crazyshrink
"HAVE we hastened the demise of the universe by looking at it? That’s the startling question posed by a pair of physicists, who suggest that we may have accidentally nudged the universe closer to its death by observing dark energy, which is thought to be speeding up cosmic expansion."

Oh well, is that all?
Could be worse.
Could be Universal Warming.

Which, of course, we all now know warming of any kind's.

...irreversible.

42 posted on 11/21/2007 11:57:12 AM PST by Landru (Reality hits the faithful the hardest.)
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To: stuartcr

Sorry don’t buy it...

Quantum is nice, but its only PREDICTS... it does not dictate...

I’m not losing sleep that our universe will flash out because we observed a measurement...

Nice theorhetical conversation for dinner parties, but complete nonsens in reality.


43 posted on 11/21/2007 11:57:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: crazyshrink


I guess Schrödinger's cat died....
44 posted on 11/21/2007 11:58:06 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: NTHockey
And this is science!

Yup. That's how science works - by formulating hypotheses that fit observable facts and are mathematically possible, testing those hypotheses, and discarding them if they don't hold up to analysis or better data. No one is claiming that the more esoteric musings of cosmologists are proven fact - these ideas are considered because they haven't been proven impossible yet and the mathematics behind the ideas isn't invalid.
45 posted on 11/21/2007 12:01:32 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: crazyshrink

So, it’s been the looking at Helen that did it?


46 posted on 11/21/2007 12:05:42 PM PST by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: DManA
Just remember that your standing on a planet that's evolving,
and revolving at nine hundred miles an hour...
That's orbiting at ninety miles a second, so it's reckoned,
the sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
are moving at a million miles a day.
in an outer spiral-arm at forty thousand miles an hour
of the galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars,
it's a hundred thousand lightyears side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand lightyears thick,
but out by us it's just three thousand lightyears wide.
We're thirty thousand lightyears from galactic central point,
we go 'round every two hundred million years.
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions,
in this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
in all of the directions it can whiz.
As fast as it can go, that's the speed of light you know;
twelve million miles a minute, that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember when your feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth,
and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'cause there's bugger-all down here on earth!
47 posted on 11/21/2007 12:11:11 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: crazyshrink
"HAVE we hastened the demise of the universe by looking at it?"

I'd say that's possible. When I was a kid, my mom said she'd hasten my demise if she ever caught me looking at a Playboy magazine. Again.

48 posted on 11/21/2007 12:29:10 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: crazyshrink

As best I can tell, the theory is not in agreement with the simultaneous solutions of the Reimner/Burkee equations that point to continuous expansion.


49 posted on 11/21/2007 12:36:27 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: crazyshrink

Like the two slit experiment. You can change the result by observing it. Really wierd.


50 posted on 11/21/2007 12:43:39 PM PST by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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