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The Icebergs Ahead For the Democrats
Washington Post ^ | Nov. 15, 2007 | David S. Broder

Posted on 11/14/2007 9:36:14 PM PST by jdm

As the Democratic presidential race finally gets down to brass tacks, two issues are becoming paramount. But only one of them is clearly on the table.

That is the issue of illegal immigration. A very smart Democrat, a veteran of the Clinton administration, told me that he expects it to be a key part of any Republican campaign and that he is worried about his party's ability to respond.

I think he has good reason to worry. The failure of the Democratic Congress, like its Republican predecessor, to enact comprehensive immigration reform, including improved border security, has left individual states and local communities to struggle with the problem. Some are showing a high degree of tolerance and flexibility. Others are being more punitive. But all of them are running into controversy.

I noticed a new Siena College Research Institute poll of registered voters in New York. It found heavy opposition to Gov. Eliot Spitzer's proposal to permit undocumented aliens to obtain driver's licenses; nearly two-thirds opposed the latest version.

Moreover, the issue is part of a weakening of support for Spitzer, who now has an almost 2-to-1 negative job rating and, for the first time, an unfavorable image overall. Asked if they are inclined to support him for reelection in 2010, only 25 percent said yes, while 49 percent said they would prefer an anonymous "someone else." It was just last year that Spitzer was elected in a landslide. Spitzer announced yesterday that he was abandoning the driver's license idea.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; democratparty; democrats; elections; icebergs; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 11/14/2007 9:36:16 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
This s what I think is the democrats biggest problem. They are automatically oppose anything the Republicans support, it’s like some kind of reflex. Given this, they have to support pro illegal immigrant issues. Unfortunately for them, most Americans don't!
2 posted on 11/14/2007 9:42:06 PM PST by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: jdm

Immigrants should realize that in a Clinton Administration, they’re votes only count if the math says they gain Dem power in the short run. They will be tossed away like Spitzer if the voters turn anti-immigrant.

In the meantime, they will continue to use immigration to split the Republicans and keep them dis-illusioned long enough to win power and consolidate it, permanently.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 9:44:18 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: jdm
A very smart Democrat

An oxymoron for sure.

4 posted on 11/14/2007 9:44:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: chaos_5

The ultimate ‘wedgie’ issue.


5 posted on 11/14/2007 9:46:23 PM PST by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: jdm

I think it’s fair to point out, congress already passed “comprehensive immigration reform”. In 1986.


6 posted on 11/14/2007 9:47:09 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: chaos_5

Hillary will put together a coalition of minorities, women and liberal men ... and will win the nomination and Presidency. There is just so much stupidity, hatred and greed on the left that the Republicans will not be able to defeat it.

America will go through a Dark Ages that will last as long as the Clinton Criminal Syndicate and their henchmen are in power.

A good Republican will hopefully emerge to lead us out of the darkness.


7 posted on 11/14/2007 9:47:35 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: jdm
For the last year or so the Democrats have been hoping to use this issue against the Republicans (remember the marches?)...to paint the Republicans as bigots and racists, and solidify their own hold on Hispanic voters. Now they seem to be a bit worried that it won't play out like that.

That character Serrano in NY was on TV accusing those who didn't support Spitzer's proposal of "hating" "immigrants"...maybe the 'Rats should run a bunch of national ads with Serrano as spokesman and see if they can sway public opinion their way.

8 posted on 11/14/2007 9:50:30 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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The other — and more intellectually interesting — iceberg is “the prospect of a dual presidency.”

“...this is a prospect that will test the tolerance of the American people far more severely than the possibility of the first female president — or, for that matter, the first black president.

“As my friend says, “there is nothing in American constitutional or political theory to account for the role of a former president, still energetic and active and full of ideas, occupying the White House with the current president.”


9 posted on 11/14/2007 9:54:07 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian
The other — and more intellectually interesting — iceberg is “the prospect of a dual presidency.”

"Two for the price of one" was a selling point in 1992. Do you really think attitudes have changed that much in 15 years?

10 posted on 11/14/2007 9:56:27 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Peelod

“The ultimate ‘wedgie’ issue”

I could Nuance you a Triangulated Answer, but I have to check the formula calculation of the Iowa focus group vs. Gay, Hispanic, and National focus groups, first...


11 posted on 11/14/2007 9:57:52 PM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: chaos_5

“This s what I think is the democrats biggest problem. They are automatically oppose anything the Republicans support, it’s like some kind of reflex. Given this, they have to support pro illegal immigrant issues. Unfortunately for them, most Americans don’t!”

Your comment includes a statement made by Jacque Chirac - when I hear of an issue, I first look to see what Bush says, then I take a position 180 degrees opposite. That was a paraphrase, of course.

The Dimocratz are the Jacque Chirac party and will suffer the same fate as him, out of power, basking on the Cote d’Azur; that’s ok by me, just not here.


12 posted on 11/14/2007 9:58:10 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Aristotelian
That reminds me of a little slip of the tung Hillery had about a week ago when she made a comment saying when she “is President again”.
13 posted on 11/14/2007 9:59:53 PM PST by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: jdm

-— I noticed a new Siena College Research Institute poll of registered voters in New York. It found heavy opposition to Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s proposal to permit undocumented aliens to obtain driver’s licenses; nearly two-thirds opposed the latest version.-—

I thought it was only loud mouth bigots (a vocal minority) that opposed give-aways to illegals. That was the story when we stopped the amnesty outrage.


14 posted on 11/14/2007 10:05:58 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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Licenses? We don’t need no stinking licenses! /s


15 posted on 11/14/2007 10:08:38 PM PST by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat-"ic" about democrats.)
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To: whitedog57
If your prediction is right a new Republican majority will emerge during Clinton Part II as it did from 1994 to 2000 and continued to expand through 2004. During Clinton’s presidency the Republicans gained not only Congress but governorships, and state legislature majorities. Rev. Dobson, who I don’t really follow much, said rather than Guiliani he would just as soon see a doomed third party movement which would in effect elect Hillary. He said Republicans could expand again under her regime. Of course, the problem is how much she could mutate the federal judiciary in eight years.
16 posted on 11/14/2007 10:08:58 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: jdm

Democrats do have several problems ahead. I won’t call them “icebergs” because by then global warming will have melted such things away to nothing. ;-) Immigration is a big one, raising taxes I believe is the biggest because that is what they will have to defend in order fund all these programs and Nationalized health care and such.

Those two issues alone will doom them if the Republican they are running against is conservative. I sure wouldn’t want to be running as Democrat given what positions they have to defend. Their only hope is an incompetent gutless Republican opponent. They very well may get one but if they don’t they will have to obfuscate like they have never done before. I really think Clinton is the only candidate capable of rising to the level of obfuscation necessary to win. Edwards is a dead man walking and Obama actually seems to believe much of the crap he is saying in his stump speeches. Clinton believes in one thing and that is winning. The rest is negotiable.


17 posted on 11/14/2007 10:10:19 PM PST by Maelstorm
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To: whitedog57

-—Hillary will put together a coalition of minorities, women and liberal men ... and will win the nomination and Presidency.-—

Or else Giuliani will win it and put an end to the Republican Party as we know it, enacting much of the Dim agenda along the way. In that case, the consequences for our country would be much more dire, as we would have to build a new Party to reclaim control.


18 posted on 11/14/2007 10:13:34 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: jdm
The failure of the Democratic Congress, like its Republican predecessor, to enact comprehensive immigration reform, including improved border security, has left individual states and local communities to struggle with the problem. Some are showing a high degree of tolerance and flexibility. Others are being more punitive.

No liberal bias there, no sir. Just an open mind and straight reporting.

19 posted on 11/14/2007 10:15:17 PM PST by TheMole
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To: whitedog57

Be of good faith.

Hillary is not going to be our president!!

Too much stuff is going to come out about her before Nov. 2008, and the sheeple will be turned off over her.

I don’t know who will be president come Jan. 2009, but it’ll definately not be her thighness, guaranteed..!!!

BTW, sue me if I’m wrong./LOL


20 posted on 11/14/2007 10:15:24 PM PST by PROCON
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