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Debating euthanasia
Cnews ^ | 11/4/07 | Donna Casey

Posted on 11/04/2007 11:22:36 AM PST by wagglebee

The day will come. It may be 50 years from today or it could be next month but the day will arrive when you are sitting in a doctor’s office or lying in a hospital bed, when you’ll hear the words, “There’s little we can do for you. We will try to control your pain as much as possible.

“You are dying.”

You may already be picturing your last days and hours — at home, in your own bed, surrounded by your loved ones, free of pain, ready to go. But that vision is wishful thinking. Most of us will draw our last breath in a hospital bed. Some of us will die alone, while many will be lost in a medicated fog.

Genetic counselling and in vitro fertilization has revolutionized how life begins. Now many think Canada is overdue for an honest public debate about how life ends.

Today, assisted suicide and euthanasia barely registers on the political radar screen. Like abortion, same-sex marriage and other hot-button social issues, lawmakers are loathe to venture into the ethical minefield. Across the country, Canadians are running for the cure, not marching in the streets for the right to die.

But with baby boomers shifting into their senior years, some believe the fight for what some call “the last right” will heat up as a generation raised on freedoms and liberties grow old, sick and helpless.

During the past decade, the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland have legalized euthanasia or doctor-assisted suicide. For the last nine years in Oregon, a competent person with a prognosis of less than six months to live can obtain a prescription from a doctor for a lethal dose of barbituates. Today in Canada, a person who carries out euthanasia faces a first-degree murder charge, with a mandatory minimum life sentence and 25-year prison term. Anyone who helps a person commit suicide could face up to 14 years in jail.

Could assisted suicide become law in Canada? A decade ago, few would have predicted same-sex marriage would be as Canadian as Mounties and maple syrup.

There are a growing number of people who believe we have the right to make that decision — to end our own lives with the help of a doctor.

In 1994, a doctor helped Sue Rodriguez end her life, a few months after the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the B.C. woman’s Charter challenge. Elizabeth MacDonald didn’t wait for Canadian lawmakers. Earlier this year, the 38-year-old Nova Scotia woman with advanced-stage multiple sclerosis travelled to Switzerland to have an assisted suicide.

In 2005, Marcel Tremblay, a 78-year-old Ottawa man with a chronic lung condition, publicized his planned suicide by helium gas to help the right-to-die cause.

A 2002 Gallup poll showed support for euthanasia has risen steadily over the past 30 years, with a majority of Canadians now favouring it for people with terminal illness who are in pain.

One ethicist says most Canadians tolerate the idea of assisted suicide without necessarily supporting it.

“I think the middle ground of tolerating without approving is expanding,” says Bernard Dickens, professor emeritus of health law and policy at the University of Toronto Joint Centre for Bioethics.

Dickens calls it a replay of the abortion debate in the 1980s — two entrenched, committed camps at opposite ends of the issue. Supporters of the right-to-die movement are “independent, strong-willed people” — determined to choose how they will die, says Ruth von Fuchs, president of the Right to Die Society of Canada.

In Canada, the movement fits into two camps, with the 300-member Dying With Dignity Canada doing low-key lobbying on the assisted-dying issue.

Its more radical cousin, the Right to Die Society of Canada, counts only a few dozen members and offers legal advice and self-help assistance, including a mail-order guide on “a humane self-chosen death.” But both organizations see assisted suicide as a human rights issue.

Depicting assisted suicide as an issue of personal choice and dignity makes the cause more agreeable, says a historian of the euthanasia movement. “If the issue is framed as an issue purely in terms of personal autonomy, of choice and human rights, the vast majority of baby boomers are going to be sympathetic to the legalization of assisted suicide,” says Ian Dowbiggin, professor of history at the University of Prince Edward Island and the author of A Concise History of Euthanasia.

But one physician says assisted-suicide supporters have “perverted” the notion of dignity.

“The moment the right-to-die movement sees discomfort, disability or social embarassment — like having to have someone wipe your bottom for you — they immediately declare a loss of dignity, as if dignity was no more than social status or personal ability,” says Dr. Will Johnston, chair of Canadian Physicians for Life.

“There must be big problem with the reality when the image has to be so carefully manipulated to make it palatable to the public,” says Johnston of the shift among right-to-die groups to use “aid-in-dying” instead of the assisted-suicide term.

But Donald Babey, executive director of Dying with Dignity Canada, sees the assisted-dying cause as a grassroots movement standing up to “power structures” like mainline churches which “grasp at straws to legitimize its existence.”

“I’m convinced they’ve taken a manipulative and emotional approach and not a logical one,” says Babey of the argument that likens assisted suicide to “some kind of social cleansing.”

One of Canada’s top biomedical ethicists calls assisted suicide “a pretty straightforward issue.”

“The issue is how we die and whether there is something wrong with actively killing people,” says Margaret Somerville, the founding director of McGill’s Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law.

Support for euthanasia reflects a shift in societal values that looks at death as “sanitized, medicalized and intensely individualized,” says Somerville, the author of Death Talk: The Case Against Euthanasia and Physician-Assisted Suicide.

Sanctioning assisted suicide would have a “huge symbolic effect” on how society treats its most vulnerable, says one religious leader.

“The response that should be given is one of care and compassion and support to those people at this point in their lives, not to kill them,” says Bishop Ronald Fabbro, a board member of the Catholic Organization for Life and Family.

When a seriously ill person becomes depressed and dependent on others, their death wish is really a “cry for help,” says Fabbro.

“You’re talking about people at their most vulnerable time. People often need to be protected at that time from others and ... even from themselves,” says Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition.

Supporters and opponents of assisted suicide use the experiences of the Netherlands and the state of Oregon to make their case.

After existing underground in Dutch hospitals for decades, euthanasia was legalized in 2002. In the Netherlands, a person can request an assisted suicide if their suffering is “unbearable with no prospect of improvement.” The request must be voluntary and the death by lethal injection must be performed by a physician.

Dowbiggin believes the Dutch experience offers a “cautionary lesson” for Canada, showing that countries that begin to take a permissive attitude to assisted suicide keep pushing the boundaries.

But others say the Dutch law brings the practice out in the open. “The dangers of abuse and exploitation and mistakes in Holland are significantly less than they are in Canada,” says Dr. Arthur Schafer, director of the University of Manitoba’s Centre for Professional and Applied Ethics.

“We know it happens in Canada but it happens in the dark,” he adds. In Oregon, aid-in-dying has been legal since 1997. Defenders of the Oregon law say the statistics have proved its critics wrong, showing the law’s safeguards both protects against abuses and respects the wishes of competent individuals.

“You have evidence and data about why people are seeking it, who’s seeking it and the fact that it’s not the vulnerable who are accessing assisted suicide in Oregon but it’s the privileged,” says Jocelyn Downie, professor of law and medicine at Dalhousie University and the author of Dying Justice: A Case for Decriminalizing Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide in Canada. The overwhelming majority of the 292 people who died using the law were white, college-educated, middle-class seniors.

Any change in Canada’s laws won’t likely be coming from Parliament. The best odds for a change in law would come from the courts. Any legal challenge would need to wind its way through several lower courts before getting before the Supreme Court of Canada.


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But one physician says assisted-suicide supporters have “perverted” the notion of dignity.

“The moment the right-to-die movement sees discomfort, disability or social embarassment — like having to have someone wipe your bottom for you — they immediately declare a loss of dignity, as if dignity was no more than social status or personal ability,” says Dr. Will Johnston, chair of Canadian Physicians for Life.

“There must be big problem with the reality when the image has to be so carefully manipulated to make it palatable to the public,” says Johnston of the shift among right-to-die groups to use “aid-in-dying” instead of the assisted-suicide term.

Precisely! The culture of death is trying to change the language to mask their agenda; they don't care about the infirmed at all, they just want to kill them.

1 posted on 11/04/2007 11:22:38 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/04/2007 11:23:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/04/2007 11:23:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 11/04/2007 11:24:21 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 11/04/2007 11:24:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

If you need assistance to kill yourself, it’s not really suicide. If an individual makes the decision that their last act before they meet their Maker will be to take their own life, that’s their call. But this is heading down the road where some family member (or worse, a government bureaucrat) gets to make that decision. Not good.


6 posted on 11/04/2007 11:27:22 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: wagglebee

Soylent Green Comeing soon to a culture near you, and I aon’t talking about the movie but reality.


7 posted on 11/04/2007 11:28:37 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: wagglebee

The karma of suicide is extremely negative.


8 posted on 11/04/2007 11:32:32 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: wagglebee

The first thing I would do is stay away from hospices, although there are pro-life hospices, if you can find one.


9 posted on 11/04/2007 11:35:55 AM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: wagglebee
Fred Thompson said, "pull the feeding tubes".

Hopefully, he'll never get the chance to say it again. What a doofus remark.

Why doesn't anybody ever talk about protecting the disabled and the seniors? It's about machines and tubes.

Living has been completely dehumanized so that dying seems like a piece of cake. Well, it's God's call, not death merchants or doofuses pandering to them.

10 posted on 11/04/2007 11:44:25 AM PST by floriduh voter (You can roll horse manure in powdered sugar but it doesn't make it a doughnut.)
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To: wagglebee
www.terrisfight.org

Lotsa helpful information.

11 posted on 11/04/2007 11:45:07 AM PST by floriduh voter (You can roll horse manure in powdered sugar but it doesn't make it a doughnut.)
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To: wagglebee

The first problem is the false idea that such decisions belong in the hands of the croakers in the first place. Doctors are just hired help and should keep their mouths shut about moral issues. A doctor’s opinion about whether someone should be murdered should carry no more weight than an auto mechanic’s.

However the dwindling nature of socialized medicine and the inevitable shortages that will occur because of bureaucratic incompetence (a redundant term) ensures that the govt will eventually do what it must to find excuses to deny medical treatment to people considered unimportant. Murdering patients is inevitable. They already do this quietly by denying dialysis to the elderly in places where the govt is to corrupt to spend the money on machines rather than on pay raises and bonuses for themselves.

Naturally politicians, bureaucrats and their families will be exempt... even though they are the least valuable people in any society.


12 posted on 11/04/2007 11:54:55 AM PST by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: Sun

Hospices are generally wonderful places, that assist both families and patients in the months preceeding death. All people in hospice are dying. It is a requirement to go there. Why do you say to stay away?


13 posted on 11/04/2007 12:08:56 PM PST by ga medic
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To: wagglebee

Socialists who kill unborn children and those who are ill......yet they fight to stop the death penalty against cold blooded killers ?

Well there ya go then.......they can’t hide their cow crap agendas with stink like that around .

Voting for a Clintonista is like chickens voting for Col Sanders !


14 posted on 11/04/2007 12:13:23 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: wagglebee

The decision on whether or not to kill someone either before they’re born or before they’re about to die is NOT a debatable topic. It’s evil, plain and simple, we need not go further. Let life begin and end naturally, and stop these useless debates sponsored by the culture of death in the hope of trying to advance their agenda. They make it sound like it’s a complicated issue. It’s NOT! Murder of the innocent is morally wrong. I thought we all knew that.


15 posted on 11/04/2007 12:53:20 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: ga medic

I think that many individual Hospice volunteers are wonderful.

However, on the whole, I would not trust a hospice, the most famous case, looking at what they did to Terri Schiavo.

Here are a few other examples:

“Ron Panzer, President of the pro-life Hospice Patients Alliance (HPA), contends that hospice workers all over the country are routinely killing patients.

“Those who report to HPA tell us they’ve overheard nurses saying things like, `I’m just like Jack Kevorkian, only I do it with morphine.’ And they get away with it week by week because it’s hospice.” (LifeNews.com).”

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover032905.htm

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I talked with a woman who volunteered at a hospice, and the woman told me that she questioned why a patient was taking so mand drugs, and she was told that it really didn’t matter because the person was dying anyway.

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A friend told me about a friend of hers who was dying of cancer, so my friend and some other folks, and a priest got together and prayed for this woman. After the prayer get together, the woman felt better, her spirits were raised, her appetite returned, and she asked her mom to make her a sandwich.

Later a woman from hospice came, and told the woman’s mom to leave them alone. When the mother came back into the room, her daughter was depressed again, and soon after died. The hospice woman took away all hope, and I don’t understand what’s wrong with a little hope to get you through something. And sometimes miracles do happen.


16 posted on 11/04/2007 1:21:13 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: floriduh voter
Well, it's God's call...

And if we had let nature take its course in so very many ways, most of us wouldn't survive until forty. Many of us wouldn't have survived birth or the first year of life.

17 posted on 11/04/2007 1:31:37 PM PST by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Sun

Be serious. Hospice didn’t kill Terri Schiavo, her husband did. The hospice in that case had no choice but to follow the instructions they received.

Your comments about hospice frustrate me. Hospice is dedicated to allowing patients to die as comfortably as possible. Medication, including high doses of morphine, is sometimes necessary to do that. The goal is to keep the patient comfortable, not to kill them.

People fear dying a long painful death. This is why the euthanasia crowd is successful. Hospice is a way to avoid euthanasia, while keeping the patient from suffering. It is very important to have hospice or we will have wide-spread euthanasia.

I have also heard nurses say things about giving so much morphine they feel like Kevorkian. There is a point were potentially fatal doses are required to keep the pain at bay. Making a semi-joke is a way for the nurses to alleviate stress that comes with their job. They follow orders from a doctor and do not decide themselves how much medicine they give the patient.

I work with many hospice centers. They are wonderful people with a difficult and stressful job. It isn’t easy to work with the dying, those in pain, and families who are facing the loss of a loved one. Their patients all die, which isn’t very rewarding either. They do it with grace and competence, and should be commended.


18 posted on 11/04/2007 1:49:25 PM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic
Hospices are generally wonderful places, that assist both families and patients in the months preceeding death. All people in hospice are dying. It is a requirement to go there. Why do you say to stay away?

I think perhaps you meant “It is not a requirement to go there (Hospice)”?

But I think I understand your point and agree totally. Hospices are in most cases a better choice for people who are in the last stages of dying from a terminal illness. Unlike many regular hospitals, as death is recognized as inevitable and near; the personnel, the nurses and doctors and staff of the Hospice are more sensitive to the needs of the terminally ill and their families such as pain management and visiting hours are less restrictive and obtrusive, more compassionate and supportive. In my area there is a Catholic Hospice – Stella Maris. They do not practice euthanasia but provide compassionate care and counseling to the dying and to their families. Hospice care can also often be provided in the home in a comfortable and familiar environment. My husband’s niece after a long battle with breast cancer had hospice care at home and it was a blessing to her and her family.

I do not agree with physician assisted suicide for people with disabilities or painful non-terminal illness and I certainly do not agree with euthanasia, but there comes a time for many people when medical science can offer no hope for a cure or extend life past what is reasonable and dignified and merciful.

Just because modern medicine can keep the body “alive” doesn’t always mean it’s the right choice. But that decision needs to be weighed with the wishes of the patient and their family and sound medical advice and not left arbitrarily up to administrators and bureaucrats or politicians.

For instance, for some people with late stage cancers, especially the very elderly, the “cure” and further treatment would be still ultimately futile and more painful and than just letting the disease take its natural course. I do not believe in forcing further treatment on the terminally ill when it is against the patient’s and family’s wishes any more than I believe it is right to withhold live saving treatment when the life can be saved.

Treating the terminally ill is very much different than treating people who still have hope of recovery.

It is known but not widely acknowledged among doctors and nurses that end of life pain management, particularly the administration of morphine can actually hasten death of patients removed from ventilation by suppressing breathing. I do not consider this euthanasia as it only comes down to days or hours of the inevitable. Why not let the dying person go in peace with minimal pain. I was very grateful to the doctors and nurses at Johns Hopkins who treated my mother and father in their last days. I can say with confidence that these medical professionals did everything humanly and medically possible for them both, but when the time came, they made them as comfortable as possible and let me stay 24-7 so they wouldn’t be alone. When my father was removed from life support I was grateful that I could stay with him and that he passed peacefully thanks to the medications he was given. Without the medications, he might have lived a just a few hours longer but would have been in pain and much distress.
19 posted on 11/04/2007 2:30:14 PM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Caramelgal

I meant that you must be dying to go to hospice. Not that you are required to go when you are dying. Thank you for your thoughtful post. I agree completely.


20 posted on 11/04/2007 2:58:03 PM PST by ga medic
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