Posted on 10/28/2007 3:07:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
The purpose of Free Republic is to fight for our freedom, for the constitution, for conservatism and for our traditional American heritage. We recognize that the domestic enemy of freedom is liberalism and big government socialism.
We recognize that our unalienable rights come from God not man or government and, no, they are NOT open to debate or subject to negotiation or compromise.
Sorry, RINOS, but the right to Life is our first unalienable right. This is not just a conservative political "principle" that stubborn right wing fringe nuts refuse to give up. It's an UNALIENABLE right granted to all men by GOD and no man or government can deprive us of same! Not without one hell of a fight!! Compromisers be damned!!
I think that would depend on who the candidate is as well...do you have anyone in mind? I could see perhaps a Tancredo, since he’s not going to run for re-election and is a bit maverick, or perhaps John McCain, maverick at large. Definitely not Duncan Hunter, who seems Republican to the end.
While Hunter is my preferred candidate, I agree that Tancredo is the man who has indicated a willingness to break with the republican leadership.
I agree with you. My main point is that attacking the right to privacy is a poor approach to overturning Roe. I believe that was intentional, and that conservatives are banging their heads against a wall uselessly by getting endlessly sucked into that losing strategy. Because, the real issue at the heart of Roe is not privacy anyway, but the Fourteenth Amendment-protected personhood of the unborn. As I’ve pointed out more times than I can count, Blackmun admitted as much in the majority decision in Roe.
Thank you Jim! It’s impossible to have liberty along with the pursuit of happiness without first having life. God gave us those rights and if we stop claiming those are GOD given rights vs Government given rights, there will be no rock to stand on for us to claim our rights! What government gives, government can take away. But thankfully God is the same today, yesterday and forever!
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Your silly diatribe suggests your circular reasoning has so thoroughly warped your mind, you can’t really think anymore. You just pound out a mantra of ignorance and zealotry which will defeat you.
***That’s all you have is insults? It means you’re out of ammunition. As I said, you are conducting yourself like a pasquinade. Look at what you wrote, it doesn’t even make sense.
You brought up the Republican Party platform because it agrees with the RTL argument. Don’t pretend otherwise. This thread is about RTL.
***I didn’t bring up the platform, another Freeper did. So this accusatory tone about “not pretending otherwise” is completely vaporous nonsense. Again, it is easy to see you are out of ammunition. You can’t argue on either side, whether it’s the platform or the RTL issue. You yourself just don’t like the reality. Tough. You need to work extra harder to knock some sense into us deluded pro-lifers.
Without life all other rights become moot, bereft of objective meaning.
That's a chicken/egg argument. I wouldn't be surprised if your supposition was true, but I would posit it was because our country has devalued life and that devaluation has caused an increase in callousness towards life, with attendant lack of regard for life.. Infants aren't being killed because of the Right-to-life movement. Period.
Finding a right to kill our "posterity" does align with the purpose of establishing these rights for the benefit of our posterity.
Should read: Finding a right to kill our "posterity" does NOT align with the purpose of establishing these rights for the benefit of our posterity.
Nor was it ended by "incrementalism."
As you know, I think the analogy is correct.
Are you callling for war?
No, I want to END the bloodshed.
Amen, Jim! I’d add that the stress on that word should be placed on, ‘lien’. No person or governing body has the authority to lay claim to, or usurp, what Almighty God has granted to men. Else, our “rights” would be something else; emanating from men and their capricious and ever-changing whims. God said, “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13). That’s an enduring and inexorable command, placed in our hearts (i.e., consciences) as well as written into various statutes. There’s no clearer truth in the world! Chris ><>
“Human Life” is recognized as at the moment of conception until natural death.
Because of the twisted logic of infanticide, post-birth “abortions” are a very real “choice” in their view.
I didn’t say infants are being killed because of the right to life movement. I said, infants are being killed because of pro-life absolutism. There is a difference between the two. Don’t attempt to redefine my position.
Then perhaps you can enlighten us with an example of a single abortion that has been performed because of pro-life "absolutism."
I suppose this is the opposite of the "incrementalism" that you advocate, where presumably the government would set "benchmarks" for how many infants they thought should be slaughtered in any given year.
The pro-life position is ALL OR NOTHING, there can be NO SITUATION under which the murder of innocent human beings is acceptable. 50 MILLION infants have been killed in the United States in less than 35 years, this needs to END. We are not interested in any plan of appeasing the culture of death.
Perhaps, just perhaps, what ONC is implying is that if the pro-lfe movement had compromised years ago, to get a ban on abortions after say the fourth month, many fewer children would have been slaughtered since such a compromise. ... Not siding with or opposing the ‘perhaps’, just trying to add clarity to a difficult discussion.
Ping, sorry about misspelling your name.
We didn’t even have a court that would go along with a ban on partial birth abortions until THIS YEAR, there never was anything to negotiate because the abortionists had been given carte blanche to murder at will.
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