Quack Michael Moore has mad view of the NHS (UK National Health Service)

Oh...My company ponys up the HSA funds as part of my benefits

think my karma just ran over my dogma.

Hear ya/lol/;^)

Makes you sick, doesn’t it?

Yup. The guy is no dummy

I disagree with you about public housing. There is a legitimate need for it, and it works. But like all good things, the leftists have perverted the idea.
Public housing worked when it was transition housing for low income families. It stopped working when the Liberals decided to build housing dedicated to single mothers, many of whom were practically children themselves, and bar working men from living there.

It isn’t public housing that failed; it’s replacing fathers with gov’t that did.

Apparently Minette Marrin has been able to see the truth about that slimy creep better than most foreign journalists. Congratulations are in order. I hope my Brit in-laws read this column. One of my Brit brothers in law thinks Moore is great. I tried to explain to him what demagogic liar he is, but he waved me off. He wanted to believe Moore’s lies.

I found how the World had been misled by prostitute Writers,
to ascribe the greatest Exploits in War to Cowards,
the wisest Counsel to Fools,
Sincerity to Flatterers,
Roman Virtue to Betrayers of their Country,
Piety to Atheists,
Chastity to Sodomites,
Truth to Informers.
(III:8;5)

Jonathan Swift (November 30, 1667 – October 19, 1745)

"Sicko, like all Moore’s films, is about an important and emotive subject – healthcare. He contrasts the harsh and exclusive system in the US with the European ideal of universal socialised medicine, equal and free for all, and tries to demonstrate that one is wrong and the other is right. So far, so good; there are cases to be made."

Codswallop. This is the typical view of the British Socialist, though, unfortunately, this view has also become widespread to other "ordinary" British people who have no first-hand familiarity with the American system(s). The reality is that Socialized Medicine was one of the most frightening things (along with the crime) about living in the UK. The quality and the availability of getting appointments were seriously lacking, so much so that one often had to wait months for a simple visit, especially during the winter months. This happened to me and, eventually, I ended up visiting an "alternative" doctor, who had just finished his training and was working from his home.

Another thing that most people don't realize is that the "free" health care one is forced to purchase (it is directly usurped from paychecks) from the NHS is far more expensive than much better private health care policies that can be purchased in the U.S. However, the government's involvement in the health care industry here in the U.S. is also dragging down our own system, and all the "free" care that is given to anyone who desires it through the various government options is driving up both our taxes and insurance costs.

Socialism is based on theft and greed and will NEVER work. Period.

There is a legitimate need for it, and it works.

I agree that there is a need for temporary housing for the indigent.

The problem was that the folks running the public housing programs didn't seem to agree with us.

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Michael Moore is not Mr Valiant-for-truth. He is Mr Worldly-wiseman,
laughing behind his hand at all the gawping suckers...

And when he decides he needs help with his weight, Mr. Moore goes
to a weight-loss clinic in...
Miami, Florida.
Which is within the borders of the USA.

(just have to repeat that little bit of information that John
Stossel passed along in his recent show on US healthcare)

That's very interesting and excruciatingly relevant, thanks very much! I hadn't heard about that (probably because I generally avoid reading about Michael Moore as much as I can....I am forced to listen to enough Socialist tripe during the day that I don't go out of my way to seek out more).. It seems that he is more than willing to inflict Socialized 'medicine' upon 9-11 workers when it provided a photo op for himself that poked his fat, grubby little finger into President Bush's eye but when it comes to his own healthcare needs, Havana isn't on his dance card.

I'm sure that we all recall how Castro went to Spain recently when he needed advanced medical care as well

“I’m sure that we all recall how Castro went to Spain recently when he
needed advanced medical care as well”

Wow! I must have taken a couple of hours off from FR when that was news!

But Stoat, I hope you don’t think I’m being unfair by mentioning the
Stossel/Michael Moore comment.
I’ve visited the UK and have Canadian relatives, so I try to be factual
in discussing “universal healthcare” with my relatives.

I’m sure high, Judeo-Christian motives were in place when the
“socialized medicine” plans were drawn up in the UK and Canada.

My only real critique of those plans arises when they seem to fall so short
that people are not getting their due under those plans...
but the “rich and powerful” of the UK, Canada, Cuba, etc. do by traveling
to those decadent Western countries.

Actually, the ultimate answer for providing the optimal healthcare to
free citizens/subjects...and letting them go have fun (mountain-climbing,
motorcycle-riding, smoke cigarettes etc.) is a question “above my paygrade”.

As for the Stossel-Michael Moore comment...here’s a few links:

Advanced Google Search for all terms:
“Stossel” “Moore” “weight”
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22Stossel%22+%22Moore%22+%22weight%22&hl=en&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

In particular:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709160003
excerpt:
Choice gives us power. Michael Moore should know that. After all, when he
at one time weighed about 330 pounds and wanted help losing weight,
where did he go? Not to Cuba or Canada or England or France.
He went to this weight loss spa in Florida. It’s privately run.

“I’m sure that we all recall how Castro went to Spain recently when he
needed advanced medical care as well”

Wow! I must have taken a couple of hours off from FR when that was news!

It was swept under the rug as quickly as possible by the MSM, because it of course invalidates some of the most essential planks of Socialism....can't have that!

If you do a web search (better results in this matter than a 'news' search) using keyword sequences such as 'castro surgery spain' you'll get lots of hits. Here are a couple:

Spanish authorities confirm surgeon flew to Cuba to study possible Castro surgery - USATODAY.com

Updated 12/26/2006 11:45 AM ET

MADRID, Spain (AP) — Spanish authorities confirmed Monday that a leading surgeon who treats ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro has flown to Havana last week to study whether he should undergo more surgery.

Dr. Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, chief surgeon at Madrid's Gregorio Maranon hospital, traveled to Cuba's capital Thursday, Madrid region health official Manuel Lamela told reporters.

He also added that Madrid's health department has been sending medicines to Cuba since June, but he declined to say which type of medical material or anything about Castro's condition.

"If I did, I would be revealing the patient's pathology and we would be violating medical confidentiality and the Cuban government's media policy."

He said Spain would continue to give its support and assistance to the Cuban government.

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Reuters AlertNet - Castro surgery seems to have been botched-experts

17 Jan 2007 00:14:18 GMT

Source: Reuters

By Tom Brown

MIAMI, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Cuban leader Fidel Castro has long prided himself on Cuba's doctors and free public health care system, but that system seems to have let him down after he fell ill in July , U.S.-based doctors said on Tuesday.

Based on a report in Tuesday's edition of Spain's El Pais newspaper, the doctors -- who have no first-hand knowledge of Castro's condition -- said Castro had received questionable or even botched care at the hands of health experts on his communist-ruled island. "It's not a good story. Too bad they didn't send him to Miami for surgery," said Dr. Charles Gerson, a clinical professor of medicine in the gastroenterology division of New York's Mt. Sinai School of Medicine.

According to two medical sources cited by El Pais, the veteran revolutionary was in "very serious" condition after three failed operations on his large intestine for diverticulitis, or pouch-like bulges in the intestine, complicated by infection. The sources in El Pais were from the same Madrid hospital where a surgeon who visited the 80-year-old Castro in late December works.

The Spanish surgeon, Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, had not changed his opinion that Castro was slowly recovering after stomach surgery for an undisclosed ailment, his secretary said.

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Now that I look again at these news stories from that time, I become unsure whether Castro actually had his surgery "in" Spain, but if not then that would be a distinction without a difference, as Spain has been openly supplying Cuba with medical supplies and equipment, and if sturgeons (and medical support staff) are flying back and forth between Madrid and Havana then they are essentially bringing Spain's healthcare system to Cuba, and so it ends up being the same thing.

Castro may have been too sick to travel, so they brought Spain to him after Cuba's healthcare system almost killed him.

But Stoat, I hope you don’t think I’m being unfair by mentioning the
Stossel/Michael Moore comment.

Unfair? Not in the least. Stossel has produced some essential, solid stuff. I'm astonished that anyone with his integrity has been allowed to keep a job in the MSM for as long as he has :-)

I’ve visited the UK and have Canadian relatives, so I try to be factual
in discussing “universal healthcare” with my relatives.

My hope is that the pursuit of facts is what motivates us all here at FR :-)

I’m sure high, Judeo-Christian motives were in place when the
“socialized medicine” plans were drawn up in the UK and Canada.

I'm sure that there were (and are) countless people involved with the NHS who have the very highest of ideals and intentions. The problem is that all of these excellent intentions are undermined by the Socialist foundation of it all. Karl Marx corrupts everything he touches.

My only real critique of those plans arises when they seem to fall so short
that people are not getting their due under those plans...
but the “rich and powerful” of the UK, Canada, Cuba, etc. do by traveling
to those decadent Western countries.

Rush Limbaugh spoke of this today, discussing the current fashion of Britons flying to a variety of countries to gain care that even their private-sector options either couldn't accommodate or could only do after an even greater cost than flying to another country.

Actually, the ultimate answer for providing the optimal healthcare to
free citizens/subjects...and letting them go have fun (mountain-climbing,
motorcycle-riding, smoke cigarettes etc.) is a question “above my paygrade”.

I'm not so sure that it's so complicated :-) If we could reduce the frivolous lawsuits and get the malpractice insurance issues under control, I think that Capitalism will tend to balance itself. The problem is the lawyers, as usual :-)

As for the Stossel-Michael Moore comment...here’s a few links:

Sincerely appreciated and quite interesting, thank you :-)