Posted on 10/15/2007 5:06:41 PM PDT by cool2007
The US shot itself in the foot, commented the Chief of General Staff General Yaşar Büyükanıt after a US congressional vote branding the killing of Armenians in 1915-17 as genocide, Milliyet reported yesterday. In an interview with the daily, Büyükanıt said if the non-binding resolution that passed in a House committee last week was to be adopted in the House too, Turkish-US military ties would “never be the same again.”
The general expressed the opinion that world parliaments had no business in judging history. He said, “The US is a very important ally of ours, but an ally does not act like this.”
This week, General Buyukanit will visit Israel.
translation of general comment: Gimme a dollar...
You are right of the democrats.
That said, Turkey sees this as an excuse to get money out of the stupid americans. If not this it would have been something else.
I doubt he cares to have Iranians on his doorstep.
The Turks had asked to cross into Iraq on the border to take care of the problem that is still with us today, the PKK / KADEK Marxist workers party. Washington refused them.
Also, newspapers at the time reported that France told Turkey that if Turkey helped the U.S. they would never, never get into the EU.
The PKK had by that time killed an estimated 22,000 Turkish citizens civilian and military.
Yes, we were "screwed by the Turks;" but if our border with Mexicorruption ever gets to were drug-smuggling violence has killed off 22,000 Americans I think then we will understand how important it is to the Turks.
All Washington had to do in 2003 was to say, yes -- and guarantee Turkoman citizens protection in Kirkuk.
I would have to revisit the newspaper reports of that time period to refresh my memory. There were several other problems that Washington ignored Turkey's protests.
UHHH. When did congress get balls?????
No the demonrats shoots at American troops
It doesn't. But America does.
Please don't confuse this Democrat Congress with "America", or anything even approaching her...
To throw fuel on the fires already burning in the region, to do anything possible to make VICTORY for the U.S. more difficult...
The ONE thing the Democrats can not allow and will not survive, is an American VICTORY against the Islamists — their allies against “Bush”...and Conservative America....
The Democrats have CLEARLY become the enemy within....
What the Leftists haven’t figured out, is that it is THEIR base who will be most impacted by Sharia law..
The pious Islamists kill perverts, adulterers and blasphemers —— and terribly punish drinkers, gamblers, thieves, whores, drug users and the “immodest”, etc........
This would play HAVOC with the Liberal “Progressive” Leftists of the Democrat base.
DAMN!
The more I think about that, the better it begins to sound.... I’ll have to buy me a Koran and study up!
You got a source for the 22000 number, because I ain’t believing it without one.
I've found where Syria was supporting the PKK until Turkey put an end to it with some kind of agreement with Syria in 1998. I could not find anything about Iran supporting the PKK except as one Freeper suggested they did it through Syria (until 1998). The old USSR help found the PKK, now known as KADEK (I believe).
RE: If the Turks had let the 4th ID move across Turkey. They'd likely not have the problem with left wing Islamo Nut terrorist type Kurds coming across the border.
Actually, Turkey wanted to enter the border area to take care of the PKK problem if they let the U.S. Army enter Iraq across their border. Washington said no.
There was a lot of speculation about Turkey wanting to continue to Kirkuk to protect the Turkoman people but with U.S. guarantees of Turkoman safety that probably would not have been a problem.
There were several disputes between Ankara and Washington -- with France butting in -- that caused Turkey to "screw us."
RE: [Turkey] also fail[s] to make distinctions between Kurdish groups.
Turkey knows very well the difference. They know the PKK. They do business with the two Kurdish ruling parties, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's PUK and President of the Kurdistan Region Masud Barzani's KDP.
Or, maybe I misunderstood
More than 37,000 people have died since the PKK launched an armed independence campaign in Turkey's southeast in 1984
I too find that troubling.
I have posted (in replies) several comments about the Resolution being secondary now that the Armenians are about to start litigation. No surprise, the purpose of all this is getting money and territory -- enough already with condemning Turkey, make 'em pay. That's the ticket now.
In particular I've referenced Mr. Harut Sassounian author, publisher, and prominent activist promoting Armenian issues and causes.
The comment that "we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences." (I.e., pass the resolution no matter what it does to the troops.) is troubling because I've also heard several talk show callers say exactly the same thing even when the host explained the consequences to our troops!
The Armenian Diaspora here in the U.S. is politically powerful and IMO will not care one whit about the security of the United States of America if it interferes with getting what they and Armenia are after. That's my opinion. Of course, the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) will be with the Armenians 100% as long as it helps their Party.
. . . plus one long time military adviser: The German Army.
There is more than ample proof of Germany's complicity why not include Germany? One source is 'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity' by Vahakn N. Dadrian.
The murder of the Armenians was a horror, but it was performed by the Ottoman Empire, NOT the Turkish Republic.
The resolution now before the House is timed to sabotage the war effort. Murtha boasted that he would use whatever means at his disposal to make it impossible to prosecute the GWOT front in Iraq. Not one Dem wants victory. They relish in the death and wounding of brave American warriors for their own political agenda. The Dems have implied time and again that Iraqi (Arab) lives are not worth the same as American lives. They are freaking racists and traitors.
Go ahead schmucks, sue me!
These Dems speak of the Common Man until it comes time for their precious darlings to serve.
Remember this, oh ye patriots! A protest vote not cast or cast some ideologue who cannot win IS A VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS - the party of sedition, and defeatism.
Fair enough. And thanks to others who also posted a source.
30,000 is probably the most common estimate. I said 22,000 which is an estimate of the number attributable to the terrorists' actions. Our own State Dept. and European governments list the PKK/KADEK/KGK as a terrorist organization.
The Red mass murderers make the Ottomans look like pikers.
Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians (mostly Christians) 1-1.5 million
China, Red 1949-1952 1957-1960 1966-1976 Political opponents; Rural populations Enemies of the state 20-35 million
Soviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents; farming communities 20 million
Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) 1975-1979 Educated Persons; Political enemies 2 million
Actually, IIRC, the Ottomans Turks, took in many of the Spanish Jews chased out of Spain by the Christians. That pretty much ended in 1492, when the Christian forces kicked last of the Muslims, who had been protecting the Dhmini Jews, and then kicked out the Jews, giving them just enough time to sell their possessions at below rock bottom prices.
You've heard of the Sephardim? They are the Jews from Spain.
Maybe it's the State Department that doesn't make sufficient distinction between Kurdish groups.
However, what I should have said was "some Turks" don't make sufficient distinction, I didn't mean to imply that the Turkish government did not. Just as "some Americans" don't make sufficient distinction between various Islamic groups and nations.
Thanks for the inside on that. There’s so much history that it’s tough to keep up. This is the second topic in the last few days that I’ve been underinformed on. You did help. I appreciate it.
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