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Coming to America if HillaryCare is allowed to gain a foothold.
1 posted on 10/13/2007 10:59:01 AM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

National health care is a b*tch, just like the hildebeast.


2 posted on 10/13/2007 11:11:26 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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How is it that people can actually wish for something like the NHS?

It's not "fair" -- in the sense that everybody gets the same poor service. You can bet that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair did not go to Maidstone for their treatment.

It's not "effective" -- for the very reason that the reporter identifies: each new patient is a cost, each death an administrative convenience.

Nonetheless, it is damnably expensive. Even though it is "free"...

3 posted on 10/13/2007 11:42:20 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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4 posted on 10/13/2007 12:02:05 PM PDT by Gritty (To liberals, building a wall across the Mexican border violates the Voting Rights Act-Ann Coulter)
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To: Stoat
Medicare is in the same position. The quicker people die, the better it is for Medicare, financially.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) did a study a few years ago to determine whether Medicare should implement newer techniques for chronic disease management. The conclusion was that the new techniques would probably allow people to lead longer, healthier lives, but people would eventually die of something else, probably cancer, whose treatment is much more expensive than having people die of heart disease. The cost to Medicare would have been huge.

6 posted on 10/13/2007 12:34:53 PM PDT by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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btt


7 posted on 10/13/2007 12:42:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Stoat
The NHS wins when its patients die (U.K. National Health Service)....

Of course, they do.....Death is so much cheaper, too (and w/ no legal liability's...they still keep the $$$$/taxes) and you can still blame the mean 'ol republicans, for not having if sooner...and still not very good for the patient....the rationing.

9 posted on 10/13/2007 2:03:16 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
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Remember that to leftists, nationalized health care is an article of faith, no different than Holy Communion is to a Christian.

Leftists don’t care if a national health care system is 100% lethal for every patient who walks through the door. It isn’t important if it kills or makes sick instead of healing, or if it is filthier than a stable. It doesn’t matter if its doctors and nurses are fakes and butchers.

They will still insist not just that it is better, but that it MUST BE better. They will also say that ANY problems are because of sabotage and not enough money. Even if all the money in the world is not enough money. Like Tinkerbell, they think that medicine is not based in science, but in faith. And if all the children clap their hands, then socialized medicine will work.

As I said, it is an article of faith with them. They will argue forever in its behalf as if it was their religion, because it *is* their religion. Logic and reason mean nothing compared to their faith. Suffering and death mean nothing compared to their faith.

That is why health care should never be under their sway, for their faith is a foolish and murderous creed, always has been, and always will be.


10 posted on 10/13/2007 2:19:23 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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A superb essay. I myself was a patient under the new NHS in 1952 and 1954. Pleurisy and then a cartilage removal. I complained then, but it was duck soup because I walked away healthy. I knew something radically wrong was afoot. A young man of 19 yrs was so full of outrage at his plight, that of since 2 yrs of age, he has recurrences of T/B. In and out of hospitals. (Stanmore Middx Orthopaedic Hospital). He was allowed to blow a trumpet at night. His tune never varied- it was "O Papa" from the three penny opera.

I complained and the sister blasted me with both barrels. She told me I was only 21 yrs and would be soon out into the world. A world of dances, girls and freedom.

I never could put my finger on it then. Now I can. The old order of discipline and having rights with obligations was going. I notice Florence Nightingale is referred to. As bad as any system is, when order goes, it is on it's way to disaster.

Millions of persons in my own native country are on welfare. Strong as an ox. The potential for even four hours a week service in just cleaning and doing something useful is there. It would not fix it, but an untapped source of simple labour is available.

Yeah,I know "forced labour" just like Hitler etc.

11 posted on 10/13/2007 2:23:44 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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One more point I failed to bring up was the incidence of over usuage by the general public both in Canada and the Uk of the system. 6% of the users in Newfoundland use 24% of the services. I have been in "murgency" and observed the absolute chatter and chuckling of emergency seekers.

Another province suggested a 10 dollar fee each time. Shot down by the do good Johnnies. Persons who are indigent in Canada are said to spend a third of disposable income on fast food, lottery tickets and creature comforts. Ergo.

Insist people pay a fee.

15 posted on 10/13/2007 3:29:50 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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“Suppose Sainsbury’s cold meat counter was found to have helped kill
more than 300 people, would the company survive? Yet the NHS sails
on, dealing death.”

In the USA, if your product (POSSIBLY, and likely in the Topps case)
made some people sick, the company dies.

The company is ultimately responsible for the product and damages...
but there have been some mumbled proposals about the government health
inspectors being “faster” in reporting health-endangering results of
inspections to companies.

Beef Recall Forces Topps to Shut Down
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igYUJVjgwiiOrvpL9-faEYHGJ4DAD8S3JN680


16 posted on 10/13/2007 3:50:53 PM PDT by VOA
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Beautiful article that cuts to the heart of the matter: socialized medicine can’t work because socialism doesn’t work.


17 posted on 10/13/2007 4:07:32 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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Hey! This kind of sounds like the va...

They win and keep getting bonuses when the vets die & do not file claims for the service they had given to our country!


26 posted on 10/15/2007 8:58:52 AM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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