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Did Ann Coulter 'Really Go Too Far' This Time? Today Show Asks
CNSNews ^ | October 12, 2007 | Susan Jones

Posted on 10/12/2007 8:55:24 PM PDT by Quiet Man Jr.

(CNSNews.com) - "We're going to show you what [Ann Coulter] said, and then you decide if you think maybe she should be taken off the airwaves permanently," NBC's Meredith Viera told Today show viewers on Friday morning.

"Some people are actually saying she should not be on television any more," Viera told viewers.

But as it turns out, no one said any such thing on the Today show. In fact, Donnie Deutsch, the CNBC host who prompted the latest Coulter controversy, told Viera on Friday that "of course" Coulter should be allowed to appear on the air.

The controversy stems from Coulter's comments on Monday that Christians consider themselves "perfected Jews." She made the comments on CNBC's "Big Idea" program with Donnie Deutsch, after Deutsch asked Coulter what an ideal nation would look like.

"It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention," Coulter said. Coulter said that's her idea of heaven: a place filled with "happy" people who are "Christian" and "tolerant" and who "defend America."

Deutsch, picking up on Coulter's comment that everyone would be Christian, asked her if she really meant it. "Yes," she said -- and that's when Deutsch pressed her for an explanation.

Coulter obliged: "We just want the Jews to be perfected, as they say... That's what Christianity is -- we believe the Old Testament, but ours [New Testament] is more like Federal Express, Coulter said. "You (Jews) have to obey laws. We (Christians) know we're all sinners..."

Coulter later told Deutsch, who claimed to be personally offended, that she did not mean to offend him. "I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves -- perfected Jews," Coulter said.

Coulter noted that Christians believe the Old Testament, and they also believe the New Testament, which says Christ came and died for our sins. "Christians believe the Old Testament, you don't believe our Testament," she told Deutsch.

As Deutsch continued to harp on Coulter's "perfected Jews" comment, Coulter kept trying to explain what she meant.

"You said -- your exact words were, 'Jews need to be perfected," Deutsch said.

"No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is," Coulter replied.

"Don't you see how hateful and anti-Semitic that is?" Deutsch asked. "No," Coulter protested, "that isn't an insult at all."

Media 'critters'

NBC's Today show interviewed CNBC's Deutsch in person on Friday morning, stoking his professed outrage to keep the controversy going.

Deutsch told Viera he put Coulter on his show to "celebrate" what he called her "successful" business model.

He also compared Coulter to Britney Spears, who "doesn't exist" until she crashes her car again. It's the same thing with Coulter, Deutsch said. "We're creating these critters in the media, that until she does that, she doesn't exist."

Deutsch called it "scary" that Coulter wasn't being controversial on purpose. "We're playing with dangerous words in our society -- there's no accountability, there's a glibness that we in the media kind of elevate," Deutsch said. He said he's personally tired of it, and he thinks Americans are, too.

"So you're saying she should not be allowed on the air?" Meredith Viera asked.

"Of course she should be allowed on the air, it's free speech," Deutsch responded.

Dautsch also expressed the opinion that people with controversial opinions will be heard less and less on the nation's airwaves, as fed-up viewers tune them out.

The Today show apparently did not make any attempt to present Coulter's side of the "tempest in a talk show" controversy.

Meanwhile, the National Jewish Democratic Council this week launched on an online petition to have the conservative Coulter dropped as a network commentator.

A number of conservative groups are increasingly concerned about attacks on freedom of speech in this country, given the recent uproar over Rush Limbaugh's misinterpreted "phony soldiers" comment, which prompted a number of U.S. lawmakers to denounce him.

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KEYWORDS: anncoulter; coulter; culturewars; pc; politicalcorrectness
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The phrase is "completed Jew," which refers to Jesus completing the Old Covenant. It is not "perfected Jew."
1 posted on 10/12/2007 8:55:27 PM PDT by Quiet Man Jr.
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
Why are they asking?

In order to make a mountain out of a molehill.

2 posted on 10/12/2007 8:58:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Ha,ha,Annie can’t go too far because there’s no such thing as too far unless freedom of speech is finally brought to an end by the liberals in this country !!!


3 posted on 10/12/2007 8:58:46 PM PDT by Obie Wan (Put some money on it)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

She was simply expressing Christian doctrine that people who accept Christianity go to Heaven and those who don’t don’t. Nothing anti-Semitic about it, and the mainstream media knows it.

And while it may not have been the precisely correct word, I ahvae no objection to “perfected.”

“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.”


4 posted on 10/12/2007 8:59:01 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
Free speech is for everyone - except Christians and conservatives. Didn’t ya know...
5 posted on 10/12/2007 8:59:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

It would be different if she had said that everyone MUST be a Christian (as some Hindu leaders in India have said about Hinduism, as bin Laden says about his brand of Islam), but she is saying that people SHOULD (her opinion, her theological belief), which is an entirely different thing.


6 posted on 10/12/2007 9:02:01 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
Did Ann Coulter 'Really Go Too Far' This Time?

They really need to read the first chapter of her new book.

7 posted on 10/12/2007 9:03:49 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Quiet Man Jr.; TBP
They can be used synonymously.

com·plete      /kəmˈplit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhm-pleet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, verb, -plet·ed, -plet·ing.
–adjective
1. having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full: a complete set of Mark Twain's writings.
2. finished; ended; concluded: a complete orbit.
3. having all the required or customary characteristics, skills, or the like; consummate; perfect in kind or quality: a complete scholar.

8 posted on 10/12/2007 9:06:44 PM PDT by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: Graybeard58
I always enjoy it when Anne causes their panties to wad up into their butt holes.
9 posted on 10/12/2007 9:07:01 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Now if the MSM were to treat Ann Coulter the way they treat their fellow liberals then the only thing we should discuss is whether Ann Coulter had the right to say anything. And that is the only issue that we would discuss. And of course any criticism of Ann would be equivalent to censorship or of course questioning her patriotism.


10 posted on 10/12/2007 9:08:39 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Revenge begins on December 22nd!!!!!)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
THeir transcript cuts off the part after the break where she tried to explain what she meant. He cut her off to go to the break and let anyone sharing his offense fester.

If you wish, please check out the links below. Kevin McCullough.Townhall.com See the segment (with commercials) on the show by watching the You Tube flash segment about 1/2 way down the page. WOR radio segment in which Ann explains her comments in the first segment. here

11 posted on 10/12/2007 9:09:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Obie Wan

This may be lacking in context, but Ann Coulter may be the Biil Buckley of Conservative Rhetoric for our generation.

She doesn’t climb over walls she demolishes them and then has the temerity to ask the previously PC locked “unaskable” or unsayable.

She should stay away from the Theology though, deep answers require more then a 15 second response.


12 posted on 10/12/2007 9:09:43 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on....)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
The phrase is "completed Jew," which refers to Jesus completing the Old Covenant. It is not "perfected Jew."

Why does it matter? I understood perfectly well what Coulter meant. Deutcsh probably understood as well as I.

The phrase "completed Jew" isn't scriptural, is it? It is simply descriptive.

And in the end, neither phrase is accurate. There are no perfect human beings. The only completed human beings are dead ones and that is only because they're finished.

13 posted on 10/12/2007 9:12:15 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: padre35

The point is Coulter can be what she wants to be and say what she wants to say.The reality is she jars almost as many “conservatives” as she does liberals, and I think that’s why I love her so much !!!


14 posted on 10/12/2007 9:14:07 PM PDT by Obie Wan (Put some money on it)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Several months ago, Hugh Hewitt announced that Ann Coulter was no longer welcome on his show.


15 posted on 10/12/2007 9:14:56 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Oh, now suddenly they care about Jews?


16 posted on 10/12/2007 9:15:27 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.
It's a tempest in a teapot engineered by Media Matters. She said nothing offensive. Just replace Jews and Christians with Mets and Yankees in the supposedly offensive part of the conversation and see if you are still offended.
DEUTSCH: The Yankees -- so we should be Yankees fans? It would be better if we were all Yankees fans?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Yankees fans?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to the playoffs with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Mets fan, I should be a Yankees fan, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Mets fan, but you're not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But -- so we would be better if we were - if people -- if there were no Mets fans, no Red Sox fans --

Original:
DEUTSCH: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But -- so we would be better if we were - if people -- if there were no Jews, no Buddhists --


17 posted on 10/12/2007 9:16:44 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (Texas: "We close at five.")
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

“”We’re going to show you what [Ann Coulter] said, and then you decide if you think maybe she should be taken off the airwaves permanently,” NBC’s Meredith Viera told Today show viewers on Friday morning.

“Some people are actually saying she should not be on television any more,” Viera told viewers.”

And just who would make that ruling?

Hillary as President?

Harriet Reid as Dear Leader of the Senate?

Joe Stalin as... oh, wait, he’s dead.

Karl Marx as.. oh wait, he’s also dead.

But there should be some Commie who could do this, maybe Hugo Chavez could ban Ann Coulter. That’s the ticket!!


18 posted on 10/12/2007 9:17:37 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: TBP

Don’t be too sure the MSM knows that.

I really don’t think they understand Christianity at all.


19 posted on 10/12/2007 9:19:55 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (SIGN THE PETITION: http://www.standwithrus, he has the 9-11h.com/)
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To: TBP
Exactly right. There can be no true controversy until we ask: what kind of persuasion may rightly be used to get people to convert?

The acceptable means should be obvious to most, with only one question- NAGGING... Is nagging OK?

It absolutely crosses the line, in my opinion, but that's never stopped a functional sales and marketing department within a business (or a religion) from making offensive jerks of themselves.

I don't think Ann "nags" about anything.... so why all the fuss?

20 posted on 10/12/2007 9:22:07 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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