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UK: Muslim medical students get picky (deciding that some topics in medicine conflict with Islam)
The Times (U.K.) ^ | October 7, 2007 | Daniel Foggo and Abul Taher

Posted on 10/06/2007 10:20:08 PM PDT by Stoat

Muslim medical students get picky

 

Some Muslim medical students are refusing to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases because they claim it offends their religious beliefs.

Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity.

A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

The religious objections by students have been confirmed by the British Medical Association (BMA) and General Medical Council (GMC), which both stressed that they did not approve of such actions.

It will intensify the debate sparked last week by the disclosure that Sainsbury’s is permitting Muslim checkout operators to refuse to handle customers’ alcohol purchases on religious grounds. It means other members of staff have to be called over to scan in wine and beer for them at the till.

Critics, including many Islamic scholars, see the concessions as a step too far, and say Muslims are reneging on their professional responsibilities.

This weekend, however, it emerged that Sainsbury’s is also allowing its Muslim pharmacists to refuse to sell the morning-after pill to customers. At a Sainsbury’s store in Nottingham, a pharmacist named Ahmed declined to provide the pill to a female reporter posing as a customer. A colleague explained to her that Ahmed did not sell the pill for “ethical reasons”. Boots also permits pharmacists to refuse to sell the pill on ethical grounds.

The BMA said it had received reports of Muslim students who did not want to learn anything about alcohol or the effects of overconsumption. “They are so opposed to the consumption of it they don’t want to learn anything about it,” said a spokesman.

The GMC said it had received requests for guidance over whether students could “omit parts of the medical curriculum and yet still be allowed to graduate”. Professor Peter Rubin, chairman of the GMC’s education committee, said: “Examples have included a refusal to see patients who are affected by diseases caused by alcohol or sexual activity, or a refusal to examine patients of a particular gender.”

He added that “prejudicing treatment on the grounds of patients’ gender or their responsibility for their condition would run counter to the most basic principles of ethical medical practice”.

Shazia Ovaisi, a GP in north London, said one of her male Muslim contemporaries at medical school failed to complete his training because he refused to examine a woman patient as part of his final exams.

“He was academically gifted, one of the best students, but gradually he got in with certain Islamic groups and started to become more radical,” said Ovaisi.

“You could see there was a change in his personality as time went by. During the final exams he was supposed to treat a female patient in hospital. He refused to do it, even though it would have been a very basic examination, nothing intrusive.

“But he refused and as a result he failed his exams. I was quite shocked and disappointed about it because I don’t see there being anything in our religion that prohibits us from examining male and female patients.”

Both the Muslim Council of Britain and Muslim Doctors and Dentist Association said they were aware of students opting out but did not support them.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, of the Islamic Medical Association, said: “To learn about alcohol, to learn about sexually transmitted disease, to learn about abortion, it gives us more evidence to campaign against it. There is a difference between learning and practising.

“It is obligatory for Muslim doctors and students to learn about everything. The prophet said, ‘Learn about witchcraft, but don’t practise it’.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; dhimmitude; doctors; england; greatbritain; healthcare; islam; islamofascism; islamofascists; medicalstudent; medicalstudents; medicine; muslim; muslims; pharmacists; physcians; uk; ukmuslims; unitedkingdom
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This is astonishing on several fronts, not the least of which is that the entire premise of refusing to treat or see a patient because of the patient's supposed illness suggests that you know the root cause of a given illness or condition before you've even seen the patient!

In addition, numerous illnesses and diseases are interconnected in such a way that there may be multiple causes, or an effect that's not immediately traceable to a given cause.

For these 'medical students' to even suggest that making such a ludicrous judgment is possible indicates that they learned absolutely nothing in their physiology classes.

1 posted on 10/06/2007 10:20:11 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Let ‘em flunk.


2 posted on 10/06/2007 10:22:11 PM PDT by darkangel82 (All right! Let's go Tribe!!)
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To: Stoat
The GMC said it had received requests for guidance over whether students could “omit parts of the medical curriculum and yet still be allowed to graduate”. Professor Peter Rubin, chairman of the GMC’s education committee, said: “Examples have included a refusal to see patients who are affected by diseases caused by alcohol or sexual activity, or a refusal to examine patients of a particular gender.”

How long until Muslim doctors are allowed to refuse to examine or treat patients who are non-Muslim or of a different Islamic group, i.e., infidel or apostate?

3 posted on 10/06/2007 10:23:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: Stoat; All

Say some medical student is carried into the ER, having been butted senseless by a goat for unwelcome advances ...


4 posted on 10/06/2007 10:27:14 PM PDT by dighton
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To: darkangel82
Let ‘em flunk.
They will. One mentioned in the story already has. (But you already knew that!)
5 posted on 10/06/2007 10:27:17 PM PDT by ER Doc
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To: Stoat
Some doctors won't treat smokers and they aren't even muslims or students.

Not saying that these muslims are right, only that moonbatism knows no ethnic, religious or social boundaries.

6 posted on 10/06/2007 10:28:50 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: Stoat

These are proto-jihadi. A reasonable solution would be to put them against a wall and shoot them now, rather than waiting for them to blow a bunch of people up.


7 posted on 10/06/2007 10:30:51 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Wonder if one of these radical muslim docs would treat a jew, and if so how would he treat one?


8 posted on 10/06/2007 10:31:28 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Stoat
The only reason they are 'protesting' is because they know mighty America has been so neutered that she will bend over to their stupid 'sensibilities' and acquiesce.

It's not their beliefs or religion... it's their knowing that we will bend, and they're taking full advantage of our multiculti diversity limp=dick mentality.

Where are the MEN of this once great nation?

9 posted on 10/06/2007 10:31:30 PM PDT by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: Lizavetta

Umm this is Britain but point taken. They do seem to be ignoring this so far and flunking them for not doing as instructed.


10 posted on 10/06/2007 10:37:36 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Stoat
Doesn't bother me. I don't interact with them.

11 posted on 10/06/2007 10:39:35 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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"Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity."

How do these pious Muslims explain the gang rapes of infidel women in host countries?
Is rape not considered to be sexual promiscuity?
Perhaps diseased women should be provided as bait for Muslim men - whose disease would be untreatable in Islam - since it is against Islam to contract sexually transmitted diseases.

Are infidel women still considered as "uncovered meat" as once described by a "pious" Muslim cleric?

Pious Muslims should be banned from the practice of medicine in the entire Western World....
No non-Muslim patient should be placed at risk with a Muslim doctor who can choose which diseases he will treat..

12 posted on 10/06/2007 10:43:56 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: theDentist

How long before islamofascist Dentists start refusing treatment to patients with gum diseases secondary to alcoholism or STD’s?

“Jihadist Dentistry” on the horizon.....

“sigh”


13 posted on 10/06/2007 10:45:29 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: this_ol_patriot
Not saying that these muslims are right, only that moonbatism knows no ethnic, religious or social boundaries.

Indeed. Some doctors won't perform abortions, a refusal universally deplored here at FR.

14 posted on 10/06/2007 10:46:32 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grimmy

My thoughts exactly-—basically all Muslims, regardless of level of “education” are Trojan Horse Jihadists. THey MUST be deported NOW. Stop pussyfooting around with these people, AND their leftist enablers, who are the new “useful idiots” of Islam, which has collectively taken the place of the worldwide Communist movement, and influence. Couldn’t be clearer.


15 posted on 10/06/2007 10:50:38 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Stoat
“It is obligatory for Muslim doctors and students to learn about everything. The prophet said, ‘Learn about witchcraft, but don’t practise it’.”

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. "
Arthur C. Clarke

Warning, warning, morons on the starboard bow!
16 posted on 10/06/2007 10:51:34 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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How long until Muslim doctors are allowed to refuse to examine or treat patients who are non-Muslim or of a different Islamic group, i.e., infidel or apostate?

Most likely they will pretend to treat patients and instead let them suffer and die.

17 posted on 10/06/2007 10:51:44 PM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: Grut
Indeed. Some doctors won't perform abortions, a refusal universally deplored here at FR.

That's different abortion is murder not healing, even dying alkies or smokers deserve healing or solace, babies don't deserve death.

18 posted on 10/06/2007 10:51:53 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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This is just another example of how Islam has killed scientific thought in the Middle East. Notice that these bums had to come to ENGLAND to study medicine. Let them have their religion which rots the mind, kills creativity, destroys music and art, and leaves their souls bereft of anything beautiful, worthwhile, or uplifting.

I thank GOD everyday for the crusades, without which all of the academic curiosity of the world would've been halted in its infancy, and we'd all be dead of minor infections and diseases before the age of 30. As for these guys, screw 'em all.

19 posted on 10/06/2007 10:54:20 PM PDT by Othniel (Mohammad: False Prophet and Smeghead Deluxe....)
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To: rabscuttle385
How long until Muslim doctors are allowed to refuse to examine or treat patients who are non-Muslim or of a different Islamic group, i.e., infidel or apostate?

From the article:

This weekend, however, it emerged that Sainsbury’s is also allowing its Muslim pharmacists to refuse to sell the morning-after pill to customers. At a Sainsbury’s store in Nottingham, a pharmacist named Ahmed declined to provide the pill to a female reporter posing as a customer. A colleague explained to her that Ahmed did not sell the pill for “ethical reasons”. Boots also permits pharmacists to refuse to sell the pill on ethical grounds.

Since muslim pharmacists have already been given special privileges and accommodation while the definition of 'ethics' is continually expanded, I see no reason to suspect that muslim 'doctors' will be granted similar special guidelines, which only they can use.

 

20 posted on 10/06/2007 11:25:52 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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