Christian Conservatives Consider Third-Party Effort

self-styled “moderates” try to redefine what a “real conservative” is supposed to be.

There, fixed (and bump)

Thanks for the post, and the pings.

TG...I’ll just say that I disagree, and leave it at that.

Someone totally aligned with CC ideals just ain't gonna make it to the WH.

Then neither will a Republican.

You mentioned 1964.

I went door to door for Barry Goldwater, having gone to the Young Americans for Freedom convention in New York that year to endorse him.

Democrats scared the country that Goldwater was bent on war--so the country elected someone to lose. In November 1965 Johnson cursed the Joint Chiefs and threw them out of the White House rather than give them the permission they sought to mine Haiphong harbor and bomb Hanoi.

You mentioned 1976. James Earl Carter's DCI Stansfield Turner fired 820 CIA case officers Halloween 1977, a blow to humint from which the agency never recovered. Carter betrayed the Shah of Iran and facilitated the return of the maniac Ayatollah Khomeini, whose Islamic Republic is the premier instigator of terrorism and will soon have nuclear weapons. Carter betrayed Taiwan, emboldened the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan, gave away the Panama Canal, and serially embraced every anti-American tyrant around the globe, while destroying the economy and national morale with a Carter-created "malaise".

You mentioned 1992: the Clinton Janus slashed our military 40% and sold the Peoples Liberation Army our missile secrets, warheads, compromised every platform, strategy, installation, base, technological edge--while tailoring U.S. policy to meet the approval of the beetles of Beijing, viz. Charlie Trie's "Dear President" letter which backed the U.S. down in the Taiwan Strait.

Falling for a "moral revulsion to text-messaging precocious pages", the stay-at-homes in 2006 succeeded in LOSING BOTH HOUSES OF THE NATIONAL CONGRESS.

And now there is dangerous talk that it would be "a good thing" to put the Communist-in-the-Closet BACK in control next year.

Apres moi, le deluge is a symptom of French monarchic dementia. In this context it ensures the success of bolder and bolder jihadi attacks.

Mogadishu, Khobar Towers, USS Cole will be exceeded by orders of magnitude.

The Clintons who REFUSED to ACCEPT Osama bin Laden when OFFERED by Sudan will, per the very words of Glorious Leader, "figure out how to work with them."

That worked well at Munich--for the OTHER TEAM.

People threatened not to vote, and then did just that.

Yet the lesson was not learned, as is obvious today.

This is politics. And realism dictates that sometimes you have to do what is best for the country

Political reality would then dictate that the GOP and RNC should not even field a prospective candidate that doesn't pass the Conservative smell test. If what is best for the country and the party is for Republicans to win, that win is predicated by the acceptance of the candidate(s) by the far right.

but if there are not enough people that think like you, and agree with you, man up and accept the will of the people

As Terriergal has so eloquently demonstrated, and as history attests, the will of the people in 06 was to retire from the election rather than support the candidates available. Those candidates were often supported by the RNC and GOP leadership against more conservative primary candidates (see Lincoln Chaffee, etc). The people obviously disagreed by staying home. So man up and accept the will of the people...

Here we are again, and the Conservative right is giving a warning in no uncertain terms. Yet those who cry out are told to shut up and sit down (not by you particularly). Be careful what you wish for... It may (will) come true.

It is to assuage and validate your own intransigence.

It is the MAJORITY Christian Right you are speaking to. It has not changed, nor will it change. It's views are well known as is it's power. They will lend their support to the Republicans in overwhelming numbers (in dollars, votes, and activism), but only if the Republicans toe the Conservative line. The fault is not theirs as it is their party, and they stand for what the Republicans have traditionally stood for. To snub them is to snub the heart and soul of the party.

The intransigence should be expected and is predictable. The problem is in the RINO/Moderate camp for expecting that to be different.

Did you see this?

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/09/30/the-blackball-meeting-that-didnt-happen/

Dobson will be on Hannity’s radio show on Friday.

Falling for a "moral revulsion to text-messaging precocious pages"[...]

It was not a "moral revulsion to text-messaging precocious pages", but rather a moral revulsion in general. When Democrats are able to out-conservative Republicans, the outcome should be obvious and easy to predict.

[...]the stay-at-homes in 2006 succeeded in LOSING BOTH HOUSES OF THE NATIONAL CONGRESS.

and only they can win them back again. That could begin to happen in this election (and in spades), though it doesn't look like that will be the case at this time. None of the leading candidates is conservative enough to matter.

i.e. we shouldn’t have allied with Stalin against Hitler??

"Yet the lesson was not learned, as is obvious today."Well next time may I suggest that you hold your breath and stamp your feet, too. Maybe then the Republican Party will sit up and take notice of the 5th Graders on the Right.

Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, you are not a majority in the Repub Party which is why you have to threaten the MAJORITY of the Party? Surely you would agree that majority rules? Or is it Minority Dictates? So man up and accept the will of the people...

"Political reality would then dictate that the GOP and RNC should not even field a prospective candidate that doesn't pass the Conservative smell test. If what is best for the country and the party is for Republicans to win, that win is predicated by the acceptance of the candidate(s) by the far right."

As I said before...all or nothing. In actual fact, what you expect the Republican Party to do is "man up" and accept the will of THE MINORITY because the MINORITY see themselves as the kingmakers.! If your opinion was the majority, we wouldn't be having this conversation! But you are quite prepared to hold THIS COUNTRY hostage to further your agenda, and that is simply reprehensible.

This exchange certainly does make me keenly aware of where the blame lies when Her Thighness stands on the steps of the Capital and takes the oath of office. The blame WILL NOT lie with the majority but with the minority who, selfishly, refused to accept anything other than THEIR anointed candidate. And I thank you for clearing that up. It certainly reinforces my belief and understanding of the strategy of the "Majority Christian Right".

You are prepared to allow the Republican Party to LOSE rather than accept a candidate that you see as not 100% ideologically pure.

Of course, I take note of the fact that you speak of the "MAJORITY CHRISTIAN RIGHT" and here I was thinking that we were talking about the Republican Party. Perhaps you should start a party called the "Majority Christian Right Party" for those who are ideologically pure, non-Christians need not apply. Your crest could be a child holding his breath until he turns blue, perhaps even in mid-footstamp.

"...but only if the Republicans toe the Conservative line".

That comment is breathtaking and very scary, and it is doomed to failure. You have power within the Republican Party (right now), the power to cause the Republican Party to lose in the next election. I The Republicans lost because they refused to allow us to dictate who the candidate will be. (We'll teach them a lesson!)

Right now, you (the Majority Christian Right) have the power to hurt your country. If you (the MCR) take satisfaction in that, and are prepared to use that as a weapon, then I fear for our great country. Here's the problem for the "Majority Christian Right". If, in fact, you DO pull the trigger and allow the Republican candidate, whomever he may be, to lose, you render yourselves irrelevant. We, the Party, can no longer rely on the support of the "Majority Christian Right". Result? The Party realigns with those disaffected Democrats like Joe Lieberman, who doesn't qualify for the Majority Christian Right Party (for obvious reasons) and the political landscape takes on a whole new look.

A liberal party, a right-leaning moderate party, and a hard right, "Majority Christian Right", party. Net effect? You split the political landscape, causing it to realign and marginalize yourselves in the process, blaming everyone but yourselves.

I will tell you this, though. I emigrated to the US in 1982, escaping an illegitimate regime who quoted, and used, Scripture to justify the subjugation of a race, the creation of a police state, and a philosophy that condoned the murder of those who opposed the government. "...but only if the Republicans toe the Conservative line", the Conservative line being defined by the "Majority Christian Right" is a very scary scenario.

Surely you would agree that majority rules? Or is it Minority Dictates? So man up and accept the will of the people...

The largest voting bloc in the Republican party is the hard right. If it does not hold majority per vote (which I would deny, btw) it certainly does when one carves up the pie, as anyone knows.

Right now, you (the Majority Christian Right) have the power to hurt your country. If you (the MCR) take satisfaction in that, and are prepared to use that as a weapon, then I fear for our great country.

It isn't a matter of satisfaction in the least. You rail at me as if it will change a damn thing. What happens is as inevitable as the sun rising in the east. I don't want to lose anymore than you do. I just know as a fact (and as witnessed by history) that if the Republicans do not loft conservative candidates they will lose, because they always do.

Your fear is misplaced. The hard right has always been what it is. It is the Moderates and RINOs trying to change what Republicanism stands for that you should fear.

If, in fact, you DO pull the trigger [...] you render yourselves irrelevant. We, the Party, can no longer rely on the support of the "Majority Christian Right". Result? The Party realigns [...] A liberal party, a right-leaning moderate party, and a hard right, "Majority Christian Right", party. Net effect?

Your scenario is incorrect. There are only two poles in American politics, two ideologies: American Conservatism vs. European Socialism. Everything between those two poles is anchored to one or the other, and represent varying degrees of compromise.

If Conservatives leave the Republican Party it is the Republicans who will become irrelevant, in fact it will probably go away- Cut loose from it's anchor it will drift ever further to the left until it either replaces the Democrat party or dwindles into nothing.

...but only if the Republicans toe the Conservative line", the Conservative line being defined by the "Majority Christian Right" is a very scary scenario.

I am sorry for your experience, but the Christian Right has always been the heart and soul of Conservatism and always will be. To suggest it should compromise is to compromise the very anchor that moors your current position. You do so at your peril.

I love and admire Mr Dobson,, but I cannot agree with him about this issue at all. I would have liked to asked him this question,, and I would put this question out there to anyone to answer who agrees to vote for a 3rd party can’t win candidate. If this were prewar Nazi Germany, you had the deciding vote, and election laws were such that should the top candidates have a tie vote, the majority party would elect their leader, and the election were tied between 3 candidates,, Hitler at 50 votes, Rudy at 50 votes and a Christian conservative pro life candidate at 5 votes with the Nazi party being in the clear majority, I would like to know who these principled Christians would vote for?!! I am a Christian! But I think they are playing God as being stupid! They are acting RELIGIOUS IN THEIR VOTE!!! AS THOUGH THEIR VOTE IS AN ACT OF RELIGIOUS PURIFICATION! AS THOUGH GOD IS SO RIGID AND NARROW SIGHTED!! AS THOUGH GOD IS SENSELESS, AND UNABLE TO GRASP THE PURPOSES AND INTENTS OF A MANS HEART, OR THAT THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS JUST TO FAR ABOVE GODS UNDERSTANDING!
Dobson acts as though he should be commended,,, should he be entrusted by his neighbors with a set of keys belonging to their home,, that one day while they slept, he was forced to pass the keys on to another watchman,,, he hands them over to an invalid laying in the street as apposed to a much stronger, more capable, yet less religious friend,,, the invalid lays defenseless, without strength, surrounded by an angry mob waiting to steal the keys, tear him into pieces and murder the neighbors as they slept,,,, yet Dobson thinks he would be commended by God for choosing the invalid, while risking the murder of his neighbors,, Why???? Because the invalid was much more pure of heart,,, honest, kind and dear.

So you suggest that the Right should just go along with the party, regardless of what convictions must be sacrificed on the alter of unity? What influence would the Right have if it were so agreeable?

If the Right doesn’t stop the Republican slide to the left, who will? Who could?

If now isn’t the time to stop the slide to the left, then when is the right time? One more broken glass election? Two? Three? Which is going to be the last “just one more election”?

Republicans fail to see that Globalist RINOs are every bit as dangerous as Liberal Socialists. How are you so sure that the lesser evil you ask us to vote for is in fact the lesser evil?