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Defeat at Any Price (Why Petraeus's testimony was a nightmare for the Democrats)
Weekly Standard ^ | 9/24/2007 (9 days from today?) | David Gelernter

Posted on 09/15/2007 2:30:05 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight

To prepare for General David Petraeus's long-awaited testimony on Iraq to Congress last week, the liberal pressure group MoveOn.org wrote itself into the history books with an anti-Petraeus ad so repulsive ...

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America's political spectrum a decade or more in the future will be defined by two parties both born of today's GOP after a natural and painless mitosis. There's at least as much distance between a Rudy Giuliani and a Mike Huckabee as there ever was between JFK and Nixon, or even Adlai Stevenson and Dwight Eisenhower. Americans traditionally like their two opposing parties to differ on domestic affairs but agree on basic foreign policy--not because things are nicer that way; rather because foreign-policy arguments are good for our enemies, bad for our friends, and hugely dangerous to ourselves

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; davidgelernter; gelernter; iraq; petraeusreport; reid
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Long read, but worth it. Did a search of FR for a post of this article but didn't find one, hope its not a dupe somewhere, and hope that Weekly Standard isn't on the 'do not post from' list (checked that too) ....

Excerpted the first and last paragraphs, the last paragraph summation being quite interesting.

1 posted on 09/15/2007 2:30:09 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

It is rather fun watching people twist and wriggle in their attempts to pretend that the DNC is anything other than a traditional enemy bent on the destruction of our nation.

I don’t mean that as aimed at you or this particular article posted, just a general observation.


2 posted on 09/15/2007 2:36:34 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

3 posted on 09/15/2007 2:38:56 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Amen.

Ad Triarios Redisse!


4 posted on 09/15/2007 2:42:21 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy

Have you read the whole article yet? It is *not* an apology for the DNC but much rather an indictment on how they’re becoming irrelevant and downright dangerous in their approach to political discourse in the U.S.


5 posted on 09/15/2007 2:42:55 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Excellent article. Thanks...


6 posted on 09/15/2007 2:47:17 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Pray to God the Democrats never get their way.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 09/15/2007 2:48:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Appeasement, pacifism, globalism: Those are the Big Three principles of the Democratic left.

Great post. The above is accurate but very insufficient. Those three traits paint the democrats as if they were naive. They are not. As explained in David Horowitz' Unholy Alliance, both the left and Islam fight for the same goal, defeat of capitalism and the West.

8 posted on 09/15/2007 2:52:11 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Give unto Caesar when you wish. Vote Fair Tax.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Yes I did read it prior to posting, that’s why I added that bit at the end of my rant lite.

I do understand your asking, I wasn’t much close to on topic. Sorry bout that.

There’s almost a late 1850s feel to our current political divide.


9 posted on 09/15/2007 2:57:28 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: dirtboy; Shermy
An absolutely stunning essay by David Gelerntner.

He has explained why the left wants to lose in Iraq. Or, more accurately, wants to see America defeated in Iraq.

It's a history lesson...

10 posted on 09/15/2007 2:59:18 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Outstanding post.

Thank you.

11 posted on 09/15/2007 3:00:03 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: goldstategop
The problem is that the right has no leader. There is no Churchill or Reagan to stand up and say that the liberal emperor has no cloths. So long as the NYT can spew hate and get away with it, then there is little hope of stopping the slide into the globalist nightmare. Unless the right grows a leader, and can turn out the faithful in protests when Congress makes fools of themselves or vandals destroy our war memorials, then America as an ideal is dead.

A line from an old Sci-Fi (i think it was Heinlein but I’m not sure) the only thing governments fear is people in the streets. If we cannot take and hold the streets of Washington DC and New York, then no victory on foreign fields can save America.

12 posted on 09/15/2007 3:02:47 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Jacquerie
It's time for Americans to ask some big questions. Do leading Democrats want America to win this war? Have they ever?

The cards are face up on the table now. The future of America is at stake ... do we succumb to all the evils of the world in which this Nation was built upon resisting? Or do we slink into the sewer like civilizations before us had done?

I think we all know the answer to that

13 posted on 09/15/2007 3:04:08 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Breathtaking in its clarity of the issues.


14 posted on 09/15/2007 3:07:31 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Grimmy
There’s almost a late 1850s feel to our current political divide.

Yes. Thanks for saying that. I feel it to. In fact, I don't think the Left can give up, nor can we, so something--one of us--will have to give.

Since the Left's stance emboldens our enemies, likely it will be another attack. But then again, as long as the other half of us remain vigilant, perhaps not.

One thing I've truly admired about Pres Bush, despite my disagreement over immigration, is his integrity and fortitude. He has taken a ton of abuse, but has stuck to his guns on the War. This has mitigated any success the enemy could garner due to our Leftists treason.

The tipping point will be the election. If the Left pulls this off, and Mrs Clinton wins, then Ft Sumter is not far off.

15 posted on 09/15/2007 3:14:45 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Ad Triarios Redisse!


16 posted on 09/15/2007 3:19:21 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: GonzoGOP
So long as the NYT can spew hate and get away with it, then there is little hope of stopping the slide into the globalist nightmare.

I question that statement.

The New York Times is suffering from declining readership along with most newspapers.

Ironically, the left in control of our schools has resulted in greater illiteracy. The literate among us are learning more about current events from the Internet than from newspapers written by communist sympathizers.

It doesn't matter what the leftists print if their disciples can't read it.

17 posted on 09/15/2007 3:27:52 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Pacifist globalism is more closely related to Leninism and the rise of international communism bent on world domination with the Russian revolution being contemp;oraneous with WWI and exploiting the horror of its carnage. Some day soon we’d better wake up and realize that we are kidding ourselves when we think the cold war is over. The other side is spoiing for a rematch.


18 posted on 09/15/2007 4:12:04 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Grimmy
There’s almost a late 1850s feel to our current political divide.

I concur with you on this, that there is a civil war percolating within our citizenry ... not along geographic/political lines as in the 1800's, but along ideological lines between constitutionalists and tyrannical dictators of which the US Constitution was specifically designed to thwart in the first place. The difference now is that the left politicians refuse to play by constitutional rules and the right is so beholden to 'political correctness'(which the left created) in fear of looking bad politically, that there is a great amount of anger and animosity within the electorate.

19 posted on 09/15/2007 4:12:50 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Al-Qaeda Criticizes Petraeus Report

Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri, the al-Qaeda terrorist organization’s second in command after Osama bin Laden, criticized General David Patraeus’ report on the Iraq War as “warmed-over Bush Administration propaganda” that requires “a willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the listener.”

“President Bush’s strategy in Iraq has failed,” Zawahiri continued. “It is time to change course and withdraw the troops so that the Islamification of the country can proceed with a minimum of bloodshed.”

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei seconded Zawahiri’s take on the General’s report. “It is not a credible report,” Khamenei insisted. “The words of an infidel are not to be trusted.” Khamenei further demanded that President Bush be brought to trial for war crimes, as Saddam Hussein was, and eventually hanged.

In related news, a poll conducted by Zogby International for 911Truth.org found that 61 percent of those calling themselves politically “liberal” or “progressive” would support the idea of putting the President on trial for war crimes. “We need to bring the troops home so they can fight the real enemy—the Republican Party,” said a poll respondent from Washington, D.C. “It was the Bush Administration that dynamited the twin towers. Al-Qaeda is just a scapegoat.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


20 posted on 09/15/2007 4:28:26 PM PDT by John Semmens
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