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1 posted on 09/14/2007 10:32:37 AM PDT by ckilmer
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independent source measured the flame’s temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.

...but still less than 200W.

2 posted on 09/14/2007 10:36:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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bttt


3 posted on 09/14/2007 10:39:48 AM PDT by JamesP81
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"One immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF generator uses vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen."

Are they putting Science degrees in Kracker Jack boxes these days? A press release w/o this basic information? Gimee a break.

4 posted on 09/14/2007 10:40:04 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: ckilmer
Apparently, Kanzius’s invention–which uses just 200 watts of directed radio waves, not quite enough electricity to light three 75-watt light bulbs–breaks down the hydrogen-oxygen bond in the water, igniting the hydrogen.

No mention of how much hydrogen is separated.

A 200 watt light bulb creates enormous heat. How much heat is the burning hydrogen creating?

Any amatuer scientist knows that the crux is energy in vs. energy out. Energy out wouldn't be so hard to determine, so why not mention it? No sane person would announce this to the world without measuring energy out first.

6 posted on 09/14/2007 10:40:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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“Fuel” from Salt Water?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894973/posts
Posted on 09/11/2007

Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1893494/posts
Posted on 09/09/2007


9 posted on 09/14/2007 10:45:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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I wonder if “Big Hydrogen” will want to suck up all the prime Anwar Seawater, leaving the Caribou to die slow painful deaths.
15 posted on 09/14/2007 10:50:11 AM PDT by NavVet (O)
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No mention of any byproducts, which seems odd. Where does the sodium chloride go (assuming the H and O that burn come from the water)?

Not enough info to comment on its suitability as an energy source, but it would make a neat welding torch for shipboard use...


17 posted on 09/14/2007 10:52:17 AM PDT by chrisser
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John Kanzius’s sister, Sophie goes to my church. This man is a true genius/innovator in the field of cancer research. His other works involving the use of radio waves for treating some forms of cancer were featured in Reader’s Digest last year. Unfortunately, Mr. Kanzius has had a recurrence of a type of cancer that his inventions may not cure, and he may not live to see the fruits of his labor.


18 posted on 09/14/2007 10:54:15 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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" “The potential is huge.” "

There's absolutely nothing to this rubbish. They're doing the equivalent of taking a torch and heating some water. Same thing happens there. This just uses a light beam equivalent of a torch. It's incredibly stupid. You could torch a car and do the sme thing. You'll get all that energy back when the char cools. In the meantime, there'll be lots of bond breaking and reforming.

19 posted on 09/14/2007 10:56:05 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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“The potential is huge.”

We keep seeing how "huge" the "potential" of this "discovery" is but, as yet, we haven't been giving one factual, measured and peer-reviewed piece of information about it.

Until we start seeing some facts, this: ------------------------------------------- "is six inches, Honey."

22 posted on 09/14/2007 11:01:41 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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It’s a press release for crying out loud! Where’s either the patent or the peer reviewed paper? Sounds like someone is trolling for investment dollars that will be used for many things except investment.


30 posted on 09/14/2007 11:12:26 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: ckilmer

Use sunlight (free) to produce 200 Watts to liberate undetermined BTUs. The point being an enormous supply of saltwater availability>


33 posted on 09/14/2007 11:22:03 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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Goofy “burning saltwater!” and “perpetual motion” variant absurdities aside, this could make a decent way of desalination. Break down the water to O2 & H2, capture the gasses, burn them to recombine into pure water. Recapture the waste heat energy & feed back into energy source to minimize total energy in. Provides the advantage of electrolisis-based desalination without the electrodes.


37 posted on 09/14/2007 11:30:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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While I have urged folks to be patient to judge this new device, they are of course absolutely right to point out that it must produce more energy than it takes to run the device, if it is to be the great breakthrough that it’s promoters say it is. I have serious doubts that will be the case.

Despite the likelihood this is going to prove not to be a device that will ever attain 100% plus energy output, I do find the idea of splitting the water and burning off the hydrogen by radio waves to be interesting.

Those of you in the field, has water been broken down by radio waves before, allowing the hydrogen to be burned off?


38 posted on 09/14/2007 11:36:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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More information ping.......


44 posted on 09/14/2007 12:25:27 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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This is somewhat off the seawater subject, but put a 1/2 pint of diluent lithium grease in each tank of gas or diesel and wach your mpg go up, plus a cleaner engine.


45 posted on 09/14/2007 12:31:22 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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It would be interesting to see if the H2 can be separated from the O2. That way the H2 could be fed into a fuel cell and then you could see what efficiency the extraction process would have. Even if it where not very great, it may be a cheaper way of getting H2 than we now have. You can never tell.


59 posted on 09/14/2007 3:54:16 PM PDT by Sindarian (Sooner, rather that later. The Peace of the grave for all who attack America.)
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bump


66 posted on 09/17/2007 1:40:30 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Oh, and BTW, graham crackers cure alcoholism.

CANCER BREAKTHROUGH?:
Arlen Specter seeks to put inventor’s idea on fast track for animal testing
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette | Monday, August 30, 2004 | David Templeton
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202792/posts

Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55934 | 5/30/07 | Joe Kovacs
Posted on 06/14/2007 1:16:20 PM EDT by BlueSky194
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850208/posts

Water into fuel?
http://www.wkyc.com | 6/1/2007 | Michael O’Mara
Posted on 08/01/2007 11:46:09 AM EDT by Para-Ord.45
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1874757/posts

Inventor May Have Breakthrough in Killing Cancer Cells
WKYC.com | August 20, 2007 | Michael O’Mara
Posted on 08/20/2007 11:23:48 PM EDT by Paved Paradise
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884132/posts

Inventor may have breakthrough in killing cancer cells
wkyc.com | :8/22/2007 | Michael O’Mara
Posted on 08/22/2007 9:47:15 PM EDT by Main Street
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885155/posts

Possible cancer breakthrough “invented” in Florida garage
www.wkyc.com | 5/16/2007 | Susan Moses
Posted on 09/02/2007 12:12:16 AM EDT by Red Badger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1890090/posts

Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette | September 09, 2007 | David Templeton
Posted on 09/09/2007 10:53:44 AM EDT by grundle
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1893494/posts

“Fuel” from Salt Water?
Treehugger -Science & Technology | 9/11/07 | Jereny Elton Jacquot
Posted on 09/11/2007 7:41:09 PM EDT by Keflavik76
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894973/posts


75 posted on 09/18/2007 9:42:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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