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Shrinking kilogram bewilders physicists
Associated Press | Sep. 12, 2007 | JAMEY KEATEN

Posted on 09/12/2007 2:47:48 PM PDT by decimon

By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago

PARIS - A kilogram just isn't what it used to be. The 118-year-old cylinder that is the international prototype for the metric mass, kept tightly under lock and key outside Paris, is mysteriously losing weight — if ever so slightly.

Physicist Richard Davis of the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Sevres, southwest of Paris, says the reference kilo appears to have lost 50 micrograms compared with the average of dozens of copies.

"The mystery is that they were all made of the same material, and many were made at the same time and kept under the same conditions, and yet the masses among them are slowly drifting apart," he said. "We don't really have a good hypothesis for it."

The kilogram's uncertainty could affect even countries that don't use the metric system — it is the ultimate weight standard for the U.S. customary system, where it equals 2.2 pounds. For scientists, the inconstant metric constant is a nuisance, threatening calculation of things like electricity generation.

"They depend on a mass measurement and it's inconvenient for them to have a definition of the kilogram which is based on some artifact," said Davis, who is American.

But don't expect the slimmed-down kilo to have any effect, other than possibly envy, on wary waistline-watchers: 50 micrograms is roughly equivalent to the weight of a fingerprint.

"For the lay person, it won't mean anything," said Davis. "The kilogram will stay the kilogram, and the weights you have in a weight set will all still be correct."

Of all the world's kilograms, only the one in Sevres really counts. It is kept in a triple-locked safe at a chateau and rarely sees the light of day — mostly for comparison with other cylinders shipped in periodically from around the world.

"It's not clear whether the original has become lighter, or the national prototypes have become heavier," said Michael Borys, a senior researcher with Germany's national measures institute in Braunschweig. "But by definition, only the original represents exactly a kilogram."

The kilogram's fluctuation shows how technological progress is leaving science's most basic measurements in its dust. The cylinder was high-tech for its day in 1889 when cast from a platinum and iridium alloy, measuring 1.54 inches in diameter and height.

At a November meeting of scientists in Paris, an advisory panel on measurements will present possible steps toward basing the kilogram and other measures — like Kelvin for temperature, and the mole for amount — on more precise calculations. Ultimately, policy makers from around the world would have to agree to any change.

Many measurements have undergone makeovers over the years. The meter was once defined as roughly the distance between scratches on a bar, a far cry from today's high-tech standard involving the distance that light travels in a vacuum.

One of the leading alternatives for a 21st-century kilogram is a sphere made out of a Silicon-28 isotope crystal, which would involve a single type of atom and have a fixed mass.

"We could obviously use a better definition," Davis said.


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KEYWORDS: kilogram; stringtheory
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Would it be too far fetched to say this demonstrates entropy?

Selective Entropy.

81 posted on 09/12/2007 5:52:39 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: spunkets
The Pt-Ir alloy has a stable crystal structure. 50 µg of mass is worth 4.5*109J of energy. An entropy change is a configurational energy change at some temp T. See the problem?

No.

82 posted on 09/12/2007 6:16:50 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: decimon

Global warming? Bush’s fault? It’s getting older and shrinking?

Take your pick.


83 posted on 09/12/2007 6:19:04 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: GregoryFul

On second thought, that would be about 8 billion per second - stand back!


84 posted on 09/12/2007 6:20:19 PM PDT by GregoryFul (how'd that get there?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Have Gun, Will Travel

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85 posted on 09/12/2007 6:21:55 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: SmithL

As in, “Why are women such poor judges of distance?” “Because they are constantly being told that this < holding hands 6” apart > is eight inches.”


86 posted on 09/12/2007 6:30:44 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Captain Rhino
You don't ever get to pick your own. And if you try to change it, brother, standby!

What happens if you join a new squadron where someone already has your call sign?

Incidentally, my Dad's was "Pretty Lights", earned on a P-51 sortie over Norway in 1944. He noticed some twinkling lights at the rim of the fjord they were flying up, and blurted out "What are those pretty lights up there?" over the radio. The squadron leader immediately veered into a turn, knowing it was flak aimed straight at them. I don't know if his sharp eyes made up for breaking radio silence, but that became his name in the squadron (No. 19, RAF).

-ccm

87 posted on 09/12/2007 6:31:51 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: stm

I believe that they are comparing it to other secondary standards, on both sides of the same precision balance beam. The relative weights have changed, and apparently the “primary” standard has drifted away from all the copies, which makes absolutely no sense. Entropy has absolutely nothing to do with it, there isn’t that much entropy in the universe. (At least in the sense of uncontrollable random variations. Procedural errors cannot be rules out.)


88 posted on 09/12/2007 6:37:16 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

See post 70 first.


89 posted on 09/12/2007 6:43:17 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Oberon
I had a professor back in the 1970s that brought this up, and it was determined at the time that the loss was due to wear from handling.

When they stopped pulling it out all the time, or standardized handling procedure, I have no idea.

90 posted on 09/12/2007 6:43:45 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: decimon

If they had done the right thing and stayed with pounds and ounces, they would not be having this problem now.


91 posted on 09/12/2007 6:48:08 PM PDT by Petruchio (Out to Lunch)
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To: Bender2

Great point, oh Great One! The primary problem with the metric system (aside from its French origins) is that it has no purely human referent. A foot...well, MY foot, for example, is exactly one foot long. An inch is the width of a thumb...and MY thumb is exactly one inch across. Horses are measured in “hands” of four inches - and mirabile dictu, MY hand is four inches! When it comes to measurements I guess I’m just lucky! :-) Now, the human variation in appendages would not make any individual the benchmark for science...but if I want to move something an inch, a foot, a yard, I can get there with a quick approximation using my body as a tool. Using the metric system, there is NO human relationship to ANY unit of measure; it is UNnatural, inhuman, arbitrary, and unrelated to our everyday knowledge and experience. So just chalk metrics up to the insanity of our Froggish brethren (and cistren) - I’ll keep my old-fashioned and ever-handy inches, thankyewveddymuch! :-)


92 posted on 09/12/2007 6:48:24 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: decimon

Next to Bush’s Weather Machine, he has a Mess-With-The-French Machine.

I like that machine the best.


93 posted on 09/12/2007 6:49:50 PM PDT by bannie
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To: TrueKnightGalahad; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Xenalyte; ...
Re: Great point, oh Great One! The primary problem with the metric system (aside from its French origins) is that it has no purely human referent. A foot...well, MY foot, for example, is exactly one foot long. An inch is the width of a thumb...and MY thumb is exactly one inch across. Horses are measured in “hands” of four inches - and mirabile dictu, MY hand is four inches! When it comes to measurements I guess I’m just lucky!

Gadzooks, nice to know my devout followers... know the proper form of address!

Now, as to your luckiness, True... I, on the other hand, have the perfect measurement for 8 inches.

Oh... My... God!

What! What? Ya'll... never heard of a socket wrench?

94 posted on 09/12/2007 7:11:17 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: spunkets

Ah, I think I see...too much energy required to diffuse that amount of weight from this non-organic structure? Is that approaching the ballpark?


95 posted on 09/12/2007 7:11:18 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: decimon

New Disney film coming out: “Honey, I shrunk the kilogram!”


96 posted on 09/12/2007 7:11:51 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: Bender2

Looking for a socket wench? :-)


97 posted on 09/12/2007 7:20:42 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: LeGrande
I thought you might appreciate this thread : )

I do appreciate it, thanks.

98 posted on 09/12/2007 7:24:57 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: decimon

So use the weight that was originally recorded 118 years ago and be done with it. Any minute change now doesn’t matter now unless you’re a lunatic. Jeez, worse than the stock market guys!


99 posted on 09/12/2007 7:25:14 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Cruising Speed

It also might be related to the moving of the magnetic north. If the poles are moving so is the earth’s liquid core, and local gravity has also changed.
It could also be dissolved gases in the metal.
Too many things could cause it. It will take a bunch of researchers several years to determine the cause.


100 posted on 09/12/2007 7:34:15 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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