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Texas startup says it has batteries beat
Associated Press ^ | Tue Sep 4 | GRANT SLATER

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT by 300magnum

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To: 300magnum
Why are they flogging 1955 technology?


61 posted on 09/04/2007 11:41:23 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: norwaypinesavage

The eestor capacitor is supposed to hold about 50 KWH if memory serves.

Electric cars are much more efficient that ICE.

You can calculate recharge rates based on the 50 KWH.


62 posted on 09/04/2007 11:42:16 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc

So the poster in #51 is way off?


63 posted on 09/04/2007 11:45:07 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Vinnie

Yes, the dielectric IS everything that really matters, and the measure of it is the dielectric constant of the material (for storage of energy in the polarization of the its molecules) and its insulating properties, which determine the maximum voltage that it can support without breaking down.

But the 5-minute charge is a joke, unless you have your own nuclear power plant. Others have offered some calculations and estimates of what it would require, so I don’t need to pile on.


64 posted on 09/04/2007 11:45:50 AM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: OSHA

Add to that analysis this:

A megajoule is about the energy contained in one stick of dynamite going off.

The reason why gasoline doesn’t explode like dynamite in a crash is that it is difficult to achieve the correct air:fuel mixture in the crash. Hot conflagration? Oh, yea. Explosion? Not quite.

5x10^8 joules into a short circuit?

There’s gonna be some fireworks.


65 posted on 09/04/2007 11:47:07 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: 300magnum

sounds like a “pump and dump” stock market scheme...
heard many of these before (zinc-air batteries, sodium ion,
plastic batteries, etc...now they are talking about
virus batteries which use a shell of a virus with cobalt
genetically engineering in it...)...sounds like a pile
o’baloney....IMHO, that is...


66 posted on 09/04/2007 11:47:10 AM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: 300magnum

sounds like a “pump and dump” stock market scheme...
heard many of these before (zinc-air batteries, sodium ion,
plastic batteries, etc...now they are talking about
virus batteries which use a shell of a virus with cobalt
genetically engineering in it...)...sounds like a pile
o’baloney....IMHO, that is...


67 posted on 09/04/2007 11:47:18 AM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: ozzymandus

The instant storage idea is what makes this smell. 1 hp. is 750 watts; thus, you can only get about 2 hp. out of a standard 110 volt wall outlet. Even if all that electricity could be stored by, for example, electrolyzing water with 100% efficiency into hydrogen and oxygen, it would take quite a while to get enough BTUs of hydrogen to run a car 500 miles. The fact remains, you can’t get something from nothing. The other inescapable fact, as I learned while practicing law, is that the “green energy” and “energy from garbage” industries both contain more scam artists per 1000 operators than almost any industries. People are always trying to get something for nothing or, better yet, convince the rest of us that they have done it, so they can run a scam.


68 posted on 09/04/2007 11:49:26 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: AlaskaErik

Who knows?

It might be fact, it might be fiction, it might be a fraud. If you believe only the nay sayers, we would still be riding horses.

Technology does not wait for people to change their minds. Discovery and invention come at the speed of the mind.

I believe in the old line, Trust, but verify.


69 posted on 09/04/2007 11:49:45 AM PDT by Biggs of Michigan
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To: dangerdoc
You can calculate recharge rates based on the 50 KWH.

50kwh in five minutes implies at least a 250kw power supply. That's well over a thousand amps at 220v. I think you'll need new wiring (along with the neighborhood).

I'm not an electrician, but I think you could do it overnight with a normal 220 circuit, however.

70 posted on 09/04/2007 11:50:08 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: billdcon
is that things that can be charged very quickly, can also discharge very quickly. Food for thought.

Good insight.

I thought using capacitor type power source was an interesting concept, but I hadn't considered that the power, once released, would still have to be regulated to prevent all the power from discharging quickly.

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I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. We've had some amazing inventions. Maybe this will turn out to be one too.

71 posted on 09/04/2007 11:52:14 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ I am NOT a legal, administrative or political 'entity', nor am I a person as created by law ~)
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To: cynwoody
50kwh in five minutes implies at least a 250kw power supply.

Oops, my arithmetic is off. That should be 600kw, not 250, to deliver 50kwh in a twelveth of an hour. And that assumes 100% efficient charging.

72 posted on 09/04/2007 11:54:12 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: robertpaulsen

i agree its’ I ,,would rather get bit by 1k volt at 1 ma than 1mv at 1k amp


73 posted on 09/04/2007 11:58:03 AM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: dangerdoc
Honestly, both the NDA and my lack of qualified EE knowledge make me a bad reference for information on the manufacturing process. I think I can say this without too much difficulty - the company is working with something ‘real’ and ‘explainable’ - not something we still don’t know a lot about (like cold fusion calorimetric anomalies). I will say this, the application I was working with a team on is something I am no longer working on - voluntarily. I was working on something, however, that, if discussed might sound a little silly to a lot of people, and I saw that, from a marketing perspective, it was not a good idea. Again, not to be too much into cover-my-you-know-what territory, I should say that I know little about the technology other than it charges fast, and it discharges just as fast. By the way, on a totally unrelated note, does anyone know how I can charge my iPOD or cell phone using a device that won’t run out of power for a few weeks at least? I might be going on a long trip where there may not be any electricity. I need something safe and weatherproof. Please send me any ideas you might have.
74 posted on 09/04/2007 12:01:05 PM PDT by billdcon
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To: r9etb

Electric motor driven vehicles require only 1/3rd as much stored energy as a gasoline driven vehicle. That’s because the electric motors will convert the stored electricity into motive force at about 90% efficiency compared to 30% (max) for a gasoline driven vehicle.

So there is only 1/3rd as much stored energy to be released as if the vehicle had a full tank of gas.

If the idea of an electric vehicle carrying around enough stored energy to drive 500 miles bothers you, then a vehicle with a full tank of gas ought to bother you 3 times as much, right ?


75 posted on 09/04/2007 12:01:10 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“It would take 24,000 extension cords to carry this current.”

Just park closer to the outlet then! ;)


76 posted on 09/04/2007 12:02:57 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: 300magnum
Personally, I don’t think Maxwell has a plank to stand on, and his constant criticism is unwarranted.
77 posted on 09/04/2007 12:03:57 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Ancesthntr
"Then the Arabs can go back to being nomadic goat herders."

Remember this thing only stores energy. You still need the original source: coal, oil, nuclear.

78 posted on 09/04/2007 12:07:00 PM PDT by Jason_b (Click jason_b to the left here and read something about People v. De La Guerra 40 Cal. 311)
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To: 300magnum
Clifford's company bought rights to EEStor's technology in August 2005 and expects EEStor to start shipping the battery replacement later this year for use in ZENN Motor's short-range, low-speed vehicles.

If it's such a great battery, why are they putting it in a little putt putt?

79 posted on 09/04/2007 12:07:53 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Kellis91789
If the idea of an electric vehicle carrying around enough stored energy to drive 500 miles bothers you, then a vehicle with a full tank of gas ought to bother you 3 times as much, right ?

The idea of a full tank of gas catching fire is not particularly comforting, either.

80 posted on 09/04/2007 12:08:37 PM PDT by r9etb
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