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Trybrids? What is this world coming to?
ZAP ^ | 7/27/2007 | Staff

Posted on 07/27/2007 8:55:12 PM PDT by P-40

The Trybrid cars runs with ZAP Eco-Flex fuel: ethanol E-100, gasoline and/or natural compressed gas in any proportion in the same tank. Check out the Obvio ! 828E 100% Electric version.

The Obvio ! 828 achieves a fuel economy of 12.5 km/liter (29.40 mpg) in urban driving and 17.3 km/liter (40.69 mpg) during highway driving when equipped with ZAP Eco-Flexible Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) - 1.6 Liter/115Hp High Fuel Efficiency

Also available with Obvio !'s "HIGHPOWERSERIES" 170 and 250 HP engines. (All mileage ratings are estimated with 100 percent ethanol as the assumed fuel source, gasoline should yield about a 10% increase in mileage).

What is the advantage of Ethanol E100? It's a combination of high-performance and high mileage for any situation. E100 means that the car runs at any percentage mixture of ethanol, gas, natural compressed gas or even pure ethanol (which is less expensive), or pure gas, if the owner so chooses. It's up to you, the owner, how to combine the fuels. To sum it up, it is a very flexible fuel vehicle!


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: alternative; electric; energy; fuel; trybrids
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1 posted on 07/27/2007 8:55:17 PM PDT by P-40
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2 posted on 07/27/2007 8:55:54 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

What kinda car is that? The nose looks a little toyota-ish.


3 posted on 07/27/2007 8:59:16 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: P-40

I rode in one of those when I was 9. It had a pole running up to the ceiling and bumped when you ran into other cars.


4 posted on 07/27/2007 9:03:50 PM PDT by finnman69 (May Paris Hilton's plane crash into Britney Spears house while Lindsey Lohan is over doing coke)
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To: mamelukesabre
They seem to specialize in goofy-looking electrics and hybrids. ...I think. I tend to prefer these other new offers:



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5 posted on 07/27/2007 9:07:35 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
Looks like a green frog wearing lipstick to me.

With a small dorsal fin. And gills.

6 posted on 07/27/2007 9:07:39 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: mamelukesabre


More like "toy-otaish"
7 posted on 07/27/2007 9:10:02 PM PDT by Kozak
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To: P-40

How cute. A car that is smaller than my bowel movements.


8 posted on 07/27/2007 9:10:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: the anti-liberal
Looks like a green frog wearing lipstick to me

I think I can predict which companies making these electrics, hybrids, and trybrids will succeed and which will fail with a simple formula....which ones look stupid and which don't.
9 posted on 07/27/2007 9:11:55 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

You’d think so - but just look at the Prius. Can you imagine seeing this amphibian thing in your rear view mirror? Perhaps it’ll be popular on the coast... ?


10 posted on 07/27/2007 9:18:25 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: the anti-liberal
but just look at the Prius

I am surprised that the Pious...or Prius...sold so well. But some of the new products that I am seeing that are from American companies (start-ups) that use similar or better concepts and look cool I think will sell much better...unless the Democrats can make sure they never become street legal.
11 posted on 07/27/2007 9:22:25 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

The paint scheme and front styling ruin it.


12 posted on 07/27/2007 9:27:50 PM PDT by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: P-40
If I could draw I'd sketch a Conestoga wagon, but tiny and with some green modifications. I'd write a snappy comment underneath it and: boom.. there's a cartoon, that's a cartoon.

13 posted on 07/27/2007 9:30:40 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: P-40
gasoline and/or natural compressed gas in any proportion in the same tank.

I'd like to see the filler hose that takes both gas and liquid. Shoot, I'd like to see them pump in gasoline while the tank is a quarter full of CNG - from a safe distance, of course.

14 posted on 07/27/2007 9:31:06 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: P-40

That white one has got to be an australian model. Australia never gave up on the el camino concept.


15 posted on 07/27/2007 9:33:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: P-40

Looks like something the French would build.


16 posted on 07/27/2007 9:34:52 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: P-40
In thinking about your post I realized that the auto industry itself, at least here in the US, has become politized. Driving a "Prissy Pious Prius" (or PPP, or just plain pee) demonstrates the drivers commitment to Liberalism, for example. And Apple v. PC (while I don't care for windows, I care even less for macs) is another obvious example of Liberal v Conservative in the marketplace.

An interesting thing about socialism and communism - EVERYTHING is political, and we're heading down that road.

Sigh.

Anyway, if these start-ups can produce an ecologically sound yet fun car that aims itself at conservatives - or even at just plain people - they should sell well. Provided they don't look like gay frogs on wheels.

17 posted on 07/27/2007 9:35:01 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: PAR35
I'd like to see the filler hose that takes both gas and liquid.

That 'one tank' bit sounds a little strange. Gasoline and butanol I could see getting along quite well, but gasoline and E100, or pure alcohol? I don't think so. And adding a compressed gas to the mix? Would it be okay to still smoke while filling up?
18 posted on 07/27/2007 9:36:16 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

Yes, the ‘one tank’ was what pegged my BS meter.


19 posted on 07/27/2007 9:39:16 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: P-40
The Obvio ! 828 achieves a fuel economy of 12.5 km/liter (29.40 mpg) in urban driving and 17.3 km/liter (40.69 mpg) during highway driving when equipped with ZAP Eco-Flexible Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) - 1.6 Liter/115Hp High Fuel Efficiency

My 84 Honda Accord is just about the same. No thanks I'll keep my paid for gas guzzler thanks.

20 posted on 07/27/2007 9:41:43 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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ZAP is known for making a cheaper (also cargo) alternative to Segway PT/HT, as it uses three wheels instead of expensive gyro system.

ZAP (ZAAP)
501 4th St. Santa Rosa CA 95401, Ph. 707-525-8658

ZAP's alternate modes of transport are popular with electric utilities and police departments who desire inexpensive and non-exhausting modes of transportation for their meter readers and officers. Its products are sold through company-owned and franchised stores, mail order, its Web site, and independent bike shops. ZAP operates an electric vehicle rental location at a center in Mendocino, California . It is considering opening rental outlets in other tourist locations.

ZAP obtained exclusive rights from California-based Smart-Automobile LLC in 2004 to develop Smart cars in the US. However, the company stopped selling these cars in 2006 (it sold more than 300) after the deal fell through. ZAP then acquired 20% of Obvio!, a flex-fuel vehicle manufacturer in Brazilian. It is working with Lotus Engineering to develop a crossover SUV electric car called ZAP-X.

The company also sells electric cars and trucks under the Xebra brand.

McGreen, an inventor who specializes in lightweight motorized vehicles, and Gary Starr, co-founder of electric vehicle retrofitter U.S. Electricar, founded ZAP (Zero Air Pollution) Power Systems in 1994. The two were in part encouraged by the growing attention and legislation concerning fossil fuel emissions. California requires 10% of all vehicles sold by 2003 be zero emission vehicles; some states and countries have similar legislation.

In 1996 ZAP contracted Power Biking to sell its bikes through auto dealerships and began selling products through catalogs. The company's business continued to pick up speed in 1997, when ZAP and Italian electric-scooter maker Movity formed ZAP Europa to cross-distribute products. The company also signed manufacturing and distribution agreements that year with Dantroh Japan, XtraMOBIL of Switzerland, and Forever Bicycle Co. (Shanghai).

ZAP began selling its stock directly to the public via the Internet in 1997 and opened an outlet store in San Francisco. A year later it introduced the ZAPPY scooter, which put a zip into sales. (The company, however, has continued to report losses.)

The company changed its name to ZAPWORLD.COM and added a store in Key West, Florida, in 1999. It also bought electric vehicle maker emPower. The company bought Electric Vehicle Systems, which makes a two-wheel vehicle designed to tow skaters and skateboarders, in 2000. It added Aquatic Propulsion Technology and its sea scooter technology that year.

In 2001 the company began marketing an electric motor that can be mounted on manual wheelchairs and shortened its name to ZAP to solidify its brand name. ZAP filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in March 2002 and emerged in late June. Part of the company's reorganization plan included merging with automotive distribution companies Voltage Vehicles and The RAP Group.

The company's 2003 purchase of a fleet of rental electric cars, including two locations on the main strip in Las Vegas, provides highly visible locations for ZAP to present new products to consumers. In early 2004 the company purchased Santa Barbara-based The Electric Transportation Company (ETC), maker of drivetrains for electric propulsion vehicles. In March 2004 ZAP purchased the assets, including electric vehicles and intellectual property, of Electric Transportation Company. The next month ZAP acquired the exclusive distribution, marketing, and technology rights from Smart-Automobile LLC to make its Smart cars US compliant. The deal fell through in 2006.

Products:
Xebra Sedan
Xebra Xero
Zap! Obvio
ZAPTruck
Electric ATVs and bikes
Portable energy
Personal transporters

Total sales and income for fiscal year ended December 2005 : $ 3.6 mil / $-23.5 mil
Total sales and income for fiscal year ended December 2006 : $10.8 mil / $-11.9 mil


21 posted on 07/27/2007 9:43:01 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: P-40

Ethanol is a crap fuel. Diesel engines running on bio-diesel are far more efficient.


22 posted on 07/27/2007 9:43:20 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: the anti-liberal
if these start-ups can produce an ecologically sound yet fun car that aims itself at conservatives

It is strange but there is an almost perfect split between the market for these 'alternative' vehicles that will succeed and those that will fail...and if the 'street-legal' aspect has not been settled I can make the following financial prediction. If the Republicans stay in some degree of power, the alternative vehicles that the majority of the population, no matter what their political beliefs, will buy will be those vehicles that look normal and/or are performance vehicles. If the Democrats take more control, those vehicles that will never sell, and their union buddies will love to see fail, will take the (temporary) lead.
23 posted on 07/27/2007 9:43:56 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Domandred
My 84 Honda Accord is just about the same.

One of the best cars ever made....
24 posted on 07/27/2007 9:46:02 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: CutePuppy

I think this is the same company that makes those mosquito-sounding bicycles that keep me reaching for the shotgun....


25 posted on 07/27/2007 9:47:41 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: gunservative
Ethanol is a crap fuel.

Yup, but it is the crap fuel that will bring bio-diesel to the front lines where it belongs.
26 posted on 07/27/2007 9:49:25 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
Agree. The Prissy Pius is all about emotion, Liberals are all about emotion. Liberal fervor will rule the day, the pious ones will buy - not with reason - but with religious (in the Liberal sense) fervor.

Those who are apolitical will likely buy out of some vague felt sense of political correctness or a vague sense of feeling threatened to buy for the good of the planet of some such.

Why Conservatives and otherwise intelligent folks might buy, I don't know. Television and advertising probably. I haven't watched television in years but I remember what it was like - to be constantly bombarded with products you can't possibly lead a normal life without, that you will never feel fulfilled, a whole human being, if you don't have this in your garage or that in your closet or these in your toilet, etc.

27 posted on 07/27/2007 9:57:00 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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Why Conservatives and otherwise intelligent folks might buy

That Tesla convertible I'd get just because of its performance and the electric SUV I'd get just for convenience....but for some environmental worry...no.
28 posted on 07/27/2007 10:04:56 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: gunservative

BioWillie B20

Earth Biofuels lost $25.5 million in the year’s first quarter and $67.5 million in all of 2006, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

Stock is down to about 10 cents, you should get some.


29 posted on 07/27/2007 10:47:32 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: P-40

How many clowns does this thing hold?


30 posted on 07/27/2007 10:49:45 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: John Jamieson
Earth Biofuels lost $25.5 million in the year’s first quarter and $67.5 million in all of 2006

With their depreciation allowances, they had better lose money ...or they had better get a new CPA...
31 posted on 07/27/2007 11:17:00 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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those mosquito-sounding bicycles that keep me reaching for the shotgun....

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... ( sound of shotgun ) ..... ZAP !

32 posted on 07/27/2007 11:36:38 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: P-40

Tesla is expected to start at $98K with production of about 2000 cars first year. Awesome looking machine, but definitely not mass market any time soon.


33 posted on 07/27/2007 11:41:09 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: xyzz5743

I get 32 MPG with my 3.4, why cram myself into a 1.6 for 8 MPG? Not to mention, safety. That is why the hybrids are just that pious. Their MPG is not that great, pound for pound I think it is the same or worse. Gonna do some number crunching and check that out.


35 posted on 07/28/2007 2:45:42 AM PDT by momincombatboots (World changing power in the blood)
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"I think I can predict which companies making these...which ones look stupid and which don't."

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you on that. The Toyota and Honda Hybrids cost and perform about the same, and are about the same size. Yet the Toyota is outselling the Honda to such an extent that Honda is canceling its entry. The reason? The Toyota looks funny. People are buying it to say to their neighbors and friends: "LOOK AT ME! I OWN A HYBRID"

36 posted on 07/28/2007 4:57:58 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: momincombatboots

I get 50MPG with my 1.4L...motorcycle that is. hehe

I’ll wager it’s faster to 60MPH than anything on the road getting 50MPG.


37 posted on 07/28/2007 7:32:06 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: P-40

The Telsa convertible is an example of a product that is eco friendly yet fun. This is a car aimed at people - not political orientations.


38 posted on 07/28/2007 8:40:02 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: norwaypinesavage
Toyota is outselling the Honda

Toyota (and Lexus and Ford) build true hybrids that can run in an electric only mode at low speeds. Honda (and some other hybrid manufacturers) use the electric motor to assist the gasoline engine only when additional power is needed. This is the reason that Toyota sells more hybrids - they have a better design.

39 posted on 07/28/2007 8:51:29 AM PDT by reg45
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Here's a shot of my hybrid



It's a combination of blood, sweat & tears....

40 posted on 07/28/2007 8:57:03 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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I can hardly wait for the ZAP-X.

Complete story ZAP-X

41 posted on 07/28/2007 8:58:02 AM PDT by reg45
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To: mamelukesabre
the el camino concept

X42 liked it also.

42 posted on 07/28/2007 8:59:52 AM PDT by reg45
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To: reg45

X42 liked it also.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What’s x42? is that clinton?


43 posted on 07/28/2007 9:14:28 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: the anti-liberal
"The Telsa convertible is an example of a product that is eco friendly yet fun."

Yes, and you can buy one just as soon as the charger for the unobtanium battery is completed.

44 posted on 07/28/2007 9:21:49 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yes! How quickly they forget!


45 posted on 07/28/2007 9:26:06 AM PDT by reg45
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To: gunservative
Diesel engines running on bio-diesel are far more efficient.

Whale oil
the carbon neutral, renewable
petroleum alternative

46 posted on 07/28/2007 9:30:25 AM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: reg45

But what’s clinton got to do with el caminos?


47 posted on 07/28/2007 9:31:21 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: xyzz5743
at 110 octane, ethanol is excellent fuel

But with more processing you'd get butanol...and not have the 'water issues' that ethanol has.
48 posted on 07/28/2007 9:39:32 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I don’t know. Toyota really got the jump on Honda on the marketing...and how large is the market for the people that want to show that they are ‘saving’ the planet?


49 posted on 07/28/2007 9:41:12 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: the anti-liberal

More ignorance on parade...


50 posted on 07/28/2007 10:14:17 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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