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***LIVE Thread*** - Senate debating all night on Iraq
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/17/07 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 07/17/2007 5:06:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Democrats steered the Senate into an attention-grabbing, all-night session to dramatize opposition to the Iraq war but conceded they were unlikely to gain the votes needed to advance troop withdrawal legislation blocked by Republicans.

"Our enemies aren't threatened by talk-a-thons, and our troops deserve better than publicity stunts," said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader.

McConnell and many other Republicans favor waiting until September before considering any changes to the Bush administration's current policy. They have vowed to block a final vote on the Democrats' attempt to require a troop withdrawal to begin within 120 days.

"We have no alternative except to keep them in session to explain their obstruction," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

So far, the legislation has drawn the support of three Republicans, Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

With a test vote set for Wednesday — capping a day and night of debate — Democratic officials conceded they were likely to get 52 or 53 votes at most. That's well short of the 60 needed to force a final vote on the measure.

While the issue was momentous — a war now in its fifth year costing more than 3,600 U.S. troops their lives — the proceedings were thick with politics.

MoveOn.org, the anti-war group, announced plans for more than 130 events around the country to coincide with the Senate debate, part of an effort to pressure Republicans into allowing a final vote on the legislation. A candlelight vigil and rally across the street from the Capitol was prominent among them, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., expected to attend.

Inside the Capitol, the session shaped up as the Senate's first all-nighter since 2003. Then, as now, the Senate staff wheeled about a dozen cots into a room near the chamber for any lawmakers needing them.

But the political roles were reversed. Four years ago, Republicans demanded votes on Bush's judicial nominees, and Democrats filibustered to avoid certain confirmation of several conservative appointees.

Then, Reid labeled the Republican-led all night-session a "circus," while other Democrats stoutly defended their right to set a 60-vote threshold for confirmation.

And then, McConnell talked critically of "unprecedented filibusters of President Bush's nominees" by Democrats, while other Republicans said they simply wanted an "up or down vote" on judicial appointments.

"Will the all-night session change any votes? I hope so," Reid said at midafternoon, pointedly stopping well short of a prediction that it would.

The maneuvering occurred as the Senate debated a broad defense bill that includes a pay raise for the troops, revised regulations for detaining suspects in the war on terror and an increase in the size of the Army and Marines.

Several officials said Reid might set the bill aside for weeks or months without completing it if, as expected, Republicans blocked a final vote on the withdrawal proposal.

In remarks on the Senate floor, Hagel took issue with fellow Republicans who said Bush's decision to increase troop strength, begun in January, deserves more time to work. "We must change our policy in Iraq," he said.

Smith and Snowe appeared with Democratic supporters of the legislation at a news conference.

"We are at the crossroads of hope and reality, and the time has come to address reality," said Snowe, who said the Iraqi government was guilty of "serial intransigence" when it came to trying to solve the country's political problems.

Smith, who is seeking re-election next year, said that Iraqis appeared focused on "revenge, not reconciliation" and that the administration needed to change its approach. "The American mission is to make sure that Iraq doesn't fall into the hands of al-Qaida," he said, rather than referee a civil war.

The legislation would require a troop withdrawal to begin within 120 days, to be completed by April 2008. The measure envisions leaving an undetermined number of troops behind, their mission limited to counterterrorism against al-Qaida and other groups, protecting U.S. assets and training Iraqi troops.

There are currently an estimated 158,000 U.S. personnel in Iraq, and supporters of the legislation have repeatedly declined to estimate how large a residual force they envision. "We're not going to get into numbers, because it changes the subject," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. The subject, he said, was focusing attention on Republican blocking tactics. Levin is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a leading sponsor of the measure along with Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I.

While most Republicans have resisted the withdrawal bill, unhappiness with Bush's policy has been growing within the GOP ranks.

Sens. John Warner of Virginia and Richard Lugar of Indiana, two senior Republicans with long experience in military and foreign policy, last week proposed legislation to require Bush to submit a new strategy by Oct. 16. It would focus on protecting Iraqi borders, targeting terrorists, protecting U.S. assets and training Iraqi forces.

In addition, at least six Republicans support a bipartisan measure that would set a goal of beginning a troop withdrawal in early 2008.

In the complex political environment of the Senate, neither of those two measures seems likely to gain much traction in the next few weeks.

Democratic leaders oppose them as too weak to force a change in Bush's policy. Administration allies are determined to block any measure that contemplates a change in policy before September.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; allnight; congress; debating; dhimmicrats; harrysjihad; iraq; senate; ussenate
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Pillow Talk, anyone?

Workmen prepare to set up sleeping cots in a room off the Senate Chamber on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, as the Senate prepared for an all night session to debate the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)


1 posted on 07/17/2007 5:06:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Extremely relevant:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1866944/posts
(DEMOCRATS) (IR)RESPONSIBLE REDEPLOYMENT FROM IRAQ ACT - (Duncan Hunter Responds)


2 posted on 07/17/2007 5:08:09 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Historic! Unprecedented! HUGH!

A worker lays out a cot for U.S. Senators in the Lyndon B. Johnson room, just off the Senate floor, in the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington July 17, 2007. U.S. Senate Democrats, hoping to raise pressure on President George W. Bush and his fellow Republicans to pull troops from Iraq, have scheduled an around-the-clock war debate starting on Tuesday which is expected to last overnight. REUTERS/Jason Reed (UNITED STATES)


The LBJ suite.


3 posted on 07/17/2007 5:08:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Democrat idiots are filibustering their own bill and they have the nerve to accuse Republicans of being "obstructionist!" If Dingy Harry had the votes, there would be no need for this stupid stunt. Its just a waste of every one's time.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 07/17/2007 5:08:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

“All night” my backside just let some smart alec shout out “Last Call” and the Senate floor is going to clear out like a math class before recess......


5 posted on 07/17/2007 5:10:44 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: goldstategop

Schumer is up right now; I have him on mute after I heard him say earlier....the President is stubborn, he won’t listen, yada yada yada. Garbage in, garbage out of Schumer’s head.


6 posted on 07/17/2007 5:10:56 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: NormsRevenge

I will send a check to any Republican Senator with the guts to bring Monopoly with them tonight.


7 posted on 07/17/2007 5:11:03 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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earlier today

FRom Amalgamated Propaganda

Democrats ready for marathon Iraq debate (Yawwwn.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1867389/posts

FRom Rush

Amid War On Terror, Democrats Stage Stunt (Rush Limbaugh: TIVO C-SPAN2 Alert)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1867442/posts


8 posted on 07/17/2007 5:12:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like I picked a good time to cancel cable.


9 posted on 07/17/2007 5:12:37 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (I've been funny I've been cool with the lines ain't that they way loves supposed 2 be?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Drudge headline earlier the Kery said they had 60 votes, if so, why have the sleepover?


10 posted on 07/17/2007 5:12:38 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Guess who's back?

The parliamentary bloc loyal to influential Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seen here in May 2007, ended its boycott of the Iraqi legislature on Tuesday after quitting the assembly in June in protest at the bombing of a revered shrine.(AFP/File/Qassem Zein)


11 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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..While most Republicans have resisted the withdrawal bill, unhappiness with Bush's policy has been growing within the GOP ranks.

Conspicuously missing is the mention of the Dems who switched their vote. I recall there were 6 of them.

12 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:07 PM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: NormsRevenge

watching....

Thye should force them to do a viewing of
“The Killing Fields “

This is what will happen , or far worse, if these spineless
Democrat cowards are allowed their way .

If you watch this on CSPAN , have a barf bag handy


13 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:12 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: NormsRevenge
I swear, the Senate has become Romper Room since these darn democrats have taken over. They are so childish. SmileyCentral.com
14 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:14 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: Laverne
Its good for taking the TV to the bathroom. When you have to relieve yourself, you realize what comes out isn't any different from the garbage the Democrats are spouting, at taxpayer expense.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

Fox News reported the Rats won’t be sleeping in the cots.


16 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:36 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Laverne

Reminds me of a joke.........

A cannibal was walking through the jungle and came upon a restaurant operated by a fellow cannibal. Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu...

+ Broiled Missionary: $10.00
+ Fried Explorer: $15.00
+ Grilled Republican: $10.00
+ Baked Liberal: $100.00

The cannibal called the waiter over and asked, ‘Why such a price difference for the Liberal?’ The cook replied, “Have you ever tried to clean one? They’re so full of shit, it takes all morning and it takes forever to get the stench out of the meat!


17 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:47 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: Laverne

No way that hairline is natural. And who did his make-up?


18 posted on 07/17/2007 5:14:56 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Extremists always meet each other full circle.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
LOL..

US Democratic Senator from New York Charles Schumer (C) speaks while flanked by US Senate Majority Leader Senator Harry Reid (L), Democrat from Nevada, and Democratic Senator from Illinois Richard Durbin (R) during a press conference in the Senate Radio-Television Gallery in Washington, DC. Anti-war Democrats in the US Senate are vowing to force Republicans to stage an all-night vigil to defend President George W. Bush's policy on Iraq.(AFP/Saul Loeb)

19 posted on 07/17/2007 5:15:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: edcoil
Drudge headline earlier the Kery said they had 60 votes, if so, why have the sleepover?

I think Kerry was trying to say that there are more than 60 Senators who secretly believe the war should be over, but are too afraid to vote that way. Right.

20 posted on 07/17/2007 5:15:47 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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