Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 15 July 2007

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[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, July 15th, 2007

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): National security adviser Stephen Hadley and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Jim Webb, D-Va.; Republican strategist Mike Murphy and Democratic strategist Bob Shrum.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., and Mark Kimmitt, deputy assistant secretary of defense for the Middle East.

THIS WEEK (ABC): National security adviser Stephen Hadley; Sens. John Warner, R-Va., and Richard Lugar, R-Ind.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Sens. Joe Biden, D-Del., Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Jack Reed, D-R.I.; Hadley; and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari.

[jackv]

Thanks, Ali!! I just pasted that and passed it on!!!

[maica]

Vets for Freedom

are forming and starting to actively lobby Congress for the troops and the mission. Time is on OUR side, not theirs

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This morning I saw someone on TV mention this group and their July 15 plans. It could have been Steve Scully on cspan. It surprised me that they got any mention at all. Tomorrow is their day in DC. Maybe cspan is going to cover the event.

[maica]

Golly, Steffie just makes himself sound like a complete idiot talking to Hadley.

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I caught the Hadley/Steffie interview on radio, and heard a programmed Steffi being replied to by an eloquent Hadley. His delivery is monotone but the substance should be posted on the White House website as the definitive answer to accusations such as Steffi’s “President Bush is still maintaining that Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.”

[Alas Babylon!]

Roosevelt had to go around congress with the lend lease program just to arm Britain and Russia we were so isolationist.

Just for the record, my Sunday Morning FRiend, Lend Lease was approved by Congress (barely) after FD Roosevelt's famous "Garden Hose" Speech.

And yes Roosevelt had a hard time getting Americans to go ahead after VE day to finish the war in Japan.

FD Roosevelt died on 12 Apr 1945 and VE day was on 7 May 1945. Truman was left holding the bag, as it were. While Americans were getting tired from the war, I don't think Truman was willing to make deals with the Japs.

Your point is still well made. Americans tire to easily. It's like sports. They want it over in 9 innings/4 quarters. Even overtime needs to be "sudden death".

[maica]

Uh-oh. Why is it that when anti-Semites attack Jews, they get these nasty little smirks on their faces?

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Just finished ‘reading’ (via audiotapes) the book BLINK. The author discussed how much information our brains perceive and process without our conscious brain being involved. Scientists who have studied facial expressions have documented muscle reactions that happen involuntarily. I bet that smirk would fall into the involuntary category. What a tell!!!

[gov_bean_ counter]

I want this administration to pick a fight with the Dems and the MSM by putting the captured Iraqi documents back out on the internet. Some administration official should preface the announcement by casting doubt on he Dem's concern for national security secrets by pointing out the Dems have not asked for the first investigation into any intelligence leaks, period.

When the MSM and Dems start crying about this Conservative pundits should start asking what the two groups are afraid of. Cloak with the inference that the MSM may be afraid of the same revelation as we heard about CNN and Saddam. Put forth to the Dems the question in my tagline. Don't need to make specific accusations, just present the question just what could McDermott, Bonior, Pelosi, Rocky, etal possibly have to offer Saddam, Assad, others regarding decisions that are solely that of the Commander in Chief.

I think it could be a very instructive exercise.

[BusterBear]

What happened in Vietnam after we left is never mentioned or is glossed over. That is the part of the lesson that needs to be raised with the cut and runners from Iraq.

Problem is - many of the cut and runners are very well aware of the terrible consequences of a withdrawal (e.g., the NYTimes in a recent editorial, Senator Lugar in a recent speech on the Senate floor, various (nominally) conservative talk show hosts). But Iraq is far away, and they have business to take care of domestically. Logic won't cut it with these folks.

Hopefully there are enough people who can see further than their noses.

[maica]

...by pointing out the Dems have not asked for the first investigation into any intelligence leaks, period.

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Excellent point! I wish they would put those documents back on the internet, too. And get more aggressive against the alQaeda-enabling media.

[kabar]

Your point is still well made. Americans tire to easily. It's like sports. They want it over in 9 innings/4 quarters. Even overtime needs to be "sudden death".

A convenient myth. We stayed the course for almost 45 years to win the Cold War. We still have troops in Germany, Italy, and Japan more than 60 years after the end of WWII and in South Korea since 1950, not to mention scores of other countries around the world. We are still in Bosnia/Kosovo. We created the Marshall Plan, NATO, and the UN. We stayed over 8 years in Vietnam losing over 58,000 people. Since WWII, the US has virtually singlehandedly provided the security umbrella for the Free World. We outlasted the Soviets.

Tire easily??? We have been in Afghanistan for almost six years and Iraq for more than four years spending blood and treasure. The reality is that American perseverance and resolve have marked our global involvement. Generally, we don't walk away easily, which is why examples like Lebanon and Somalia, are exceptions.

[snugs]

Off to eat dinner now, roast chicken, yorkshire and green beans followed by key lime pie.

Thanks for the company catch you all next week.

[rodguy911]

Good job snugs looks so good!!

[MNJohnnie]

That another good point. Our enemies during the Vietnam era could portray themselves as poor little farmers being beat up by big mean old Corporatist American.

Every attempt by the Moveon.org or Mikey Moore Leftist to portray today’s foes in like fashion has been howled down by the American people.

So while people could con themselves into believing they were for right against might when they sided with the Viet Cong during Vietnam, no such nonsense is believable vis a vie Al Qeda.

[Alas Babylon!]

We stayed the course for almost 45 years to win the Cold War.

Hey up there! Yes you, up there, on the high horse!!!!

Ok, now that I've got your attention...

I was stationed in both Italy and Germany in the 1990s. We were fighting no wars with the Italians and Germans. I did have a little run in with the Polizei one night, but that is because some German insurgent bartender put alcohol in mine bier!!! Thank God my driving partner was a German court balif who happened to know the polziemann!

[kabar]

I was stationed in both Italy and Germany in the 1990s. We were fighting no wars with the Italians and Germans. I did have a little run in with the Polizei one night, but that is because some German insurgent bartender put alcohol in mine bier!!! Thank God my driving partner was a German court balif who happened to know the polziemann!

Amusing story, but what's the point? We didn't lose any people during the Cold War, which wasn't really that cold? I was stationed at NASUPPACT Naples 1968-70. I was also stationed in Vietnam 1967-68 including during Tet. I consider Vietnam to be part of the Cold War as much as Naples. Korea was also part of the Cold War.

I was stationed at our Mission in West Berlin [not in the military,] 1983-87. During that time we had the La Belle discotheque bombing, which killed two servicemen. We also had someone named Maj. Arthur D. Nicholson, Jr. who was killed by the Soviets in Germany. So drink your beer, but don't forget the folks who died since 1945 in the Cold War defending freedom whether it was during the Berlin Airlift or on the USS Pueblo.

I challenged your statement that "Americans tire too easily." We don't.

[Cindy]

This week let’s take a serious look at IRAN here:

http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=148
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=iran

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1866304/posts

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http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=13446

Sunday, July 15, 2007 by Staff Writer

“Iran locked on to 600 targets in Israel”

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “Iran has marked 600 targets for its long-range missiles inside Israel, the Qatari newspaper Al Watan reported on Sunday.

According to the report, Iran is threatening to hit the Jewish state with a massive missile strike if either Israel or the US attack the Islamic Republic or its allies in Syria.”

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Now, let’s have a few laughs here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1865741/posts
(YNETNEWS.com): “IRANIANS ARREST 14 SQUIRRELS FOR SPYING”

Looking at all the threats (past, present, future)
that come to our attention...

Cindy

THE THREAT MATRIX @ FreeRepublic.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=threatmatrix

[Alas Babylon!]

Amusing story, but what's the point?

You know what? I've come to the conclusion that you just like to argue with people.

My point was that garrison duty in 1950-2000s Germany and Italy was NOT war in anybodies mind. Note that while there, I did not fly into, over, or anyway near Soviet territory. Praises to those who did.

I think you dang well got my point.

As I said, you just like to argue. Most of the "oh contraire" postings you bring up with people are piddling little things that fly off topic anyway. And to be fair, I do that, too.

Sometimes, Kabar, you take yourself a little too seriously on this thread. It often gets you into loggerheads with folks.

So, in an effort to bring harmony here, I take back everything I said, and concede to your mightly, rapier-witted intellect.

[maica]

Posted by kabar to bray
On News/Activism ^ 07/15/2007 10:56:00 AM EDT · 209 of 336 ^

bray: The Tet Offensive was not reported except by Cronkite. The difference now is the internet and talk radio. If you think President Bush’ numbers are down look at the Stone Age Press’.
kabar: Of course it was. All three major TV networks reached the same consensus as did the national print media like the NYT and WP.

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I was also stationed in Vietnam 1967-68 including during Tet.

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So you really do not know what was being said by American media directly after Tet. I was in the States and the initial reporting was that the American forces withstood the attacks with great bravery. That whole storyline about What Walter Cronkite said did not start immediately. It developed into a ‘truth’ over time.

I left the States in April, and could not follow the American news on a regular basis, but can tell you that I was very surprised when I learned that the media message was the we “lost” the Tet offensive.

[kabar]

You know what? I've come to the conclusion that you just like to argue with people.

LOL. Get down off of your high horse.

My point was that garrison duty in 1950-2000s Germany and Italy was NOT war in anybodies mind. Note that while there, I did not fly into, over, or anyway near Soviet territory. Praises to those who did.

Who said it was? But if the balloon went up, you would be on the frontlines. That was what the so-called Cold War was all about. That said, people did die in Germany and Italy performing their "garrison" duty, even if it was just the result of a training accident.

Sometimes, Kabar, you take yourself a little too seriously on this thread. It often gets you into loggerheads with folks.

Only with a few folks who take themselves too seriously or make such outrageous statements that I feel compelled to call them on it, e.g., the US only had two A-bombs and if those hadn't worked, we would have had to invade Japan or Americans tire too easily. Reread my exchange with you and see who initiated the personal comments.

So, in an effort to bring harmony here, I take back everything I said, and concede to your mightly, rapier-witted intellect.

Apology accepted in the spirit it was meant. LOL.

[Alas Babylon!]

Only with a few folks who take themselves too seriously or make such outrageous statements that I feel compelled to call them on it....

Bull $hite!

I've even seen you debate yourself. Face it, you like to argue. Oh, and get the last word.

[STARWISE]

That’s true enough, as far as the missile threat, perceived and real; however, I can’t logically make VietNam analagous with the reality of the crazed jihadis’ dream and mission today ... a barbaric cult that longs for martyrdom in the savage killing of tens, dozens, hundreds, millions .. whatever the number (’cause they believe even 1 brutally dead Christian/Jew will suffice) .. of Christians and Jews globally and forcing nations into their sharia-ordered caliphates.

Yes, there were school drop and cover drills, reports of Russian subs off our coast, movement of forces to the FL coast for the Cuban threat, but wartime then was not this insidious, asymmetric, borderless targeted annihilation of the civilized world’s cultures .. conducted by random, even de-centralized franchisees, or even just one single brainwashed individual, who’ve bought into this demented goal.

This threat is a purely ideological, and non-state-sponsored or uniformed military effort, and all non-Muslims are at risk .. from any number of who-knows-how-many millions of individuals or cells of fanatic Muslims ... and, at their whim, absolutely global.