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UK: Bomb suspects on MI5 files (London and Glasgow bombing )
Telegraph ^ | 04/07/2007 Last Updated: 2:53am BST | Philip Johnston, Richard Edwards and Duncan Gardham

Posted on 07/04/2007 2:54:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Several doctors arrested over the London and Glasgow car bomb plot were on the files of MI5, it was disclosed last night.

At least one was on a Home Office watch list after being identified by security services - meaning their travel in and out of Britain was monitored by immigration officers.

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Others were found to be on the MI5 database, which contains an estimated 2,000 suspected jihadists or supporters of terrorism.

Whitehall sources said they had not been involved in previous plots, but were "people who knew people'' who were under observation.

The fact that they were "on the radar" was one reason why the investigation has moved so fast since the failed plot was sprung last Friday morning.

Seven NHS doctors have been arrested over the latest alleged conspiracy, most of them originating from the Middle East.

The investigation spans the world, with an eighth suspect arrested in Australia.

After a frantic four days of investigation and with Britain in the midst of a major security operation, police are confident that they have all the "major suspects" in custody. The arrest of an Indian doctor at Brisbane airport on Monday was described as a "watershed" in the inquiry.

Scotland Yard asked their Australian counterparts to swoop on Dr Mohammed Haneef, 27. He was at the airport with a one-way ticket to India, having not told his employers or his landlord of any plans to leave.

The international nature of the alleged conspiracy and the fact that the suspects being held worked as doctors has surprised investigators.

American intelligence sources suggested yesterday that some cell members were recruited by al-Qa'eda in Iraq up to three years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqueda; gla; glasgow; globaljihad; haymarketcarbombs; internet; iraq; jihad; london; mi5; zaraqawi
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Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, an insurgency leader, was said to have been ordered to find young men to blend into Western society before staging an attack, said the CBS television network in America.
1 posted on 07/04/2007 2:54:34 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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fyi


2 posted on 07/04/2007 2:55:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If they are “on the radar”, they need to be out of the country.


3 posted on 07/04/2007 2:56:43 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last.”)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
He was at the airport with a one-way ticket to India, having not told his employers or his landlord of any plans to leave.

I'd love to hear his reason for this action in court.

4 posted on 07/04/2007 2:57:11 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...their travel in and out of Britain was monitored by immigration officers.

Well, that certainly helped, didn't it?

5 posted on 07/04/2007 2:59:34 PM PDT by FreePaul
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Hat tip to the Fourth Rail...and Bill Roggio for pointing to this....


6 posted on 07/04/2007 3:03:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
Seven NHS doctors have been arrested over the latest alleged conspiracy, most of them originating from the Middle East.
Another "national health care" / socialized medicine success story! Vote Democrat in 2008! ;') Thanks E.
7 posted on 07/04/2007 3:09:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Wednesday, July 4, 2007.)
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More commentary from the Blogospher (Strata-Sphere ):

No al Qaeda-Iraq Connections? Explain Iraqi al-Qaeda In The UK!

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Major Update: UK authorities have traced the links back to the specific al-Qaeda cell that recruited them and that cell was based in Iraq - but apparently they were recruited after the invasion:

Intelligence sources tell CBS News that the people behind the attempts were directly recruited by Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, the present leader of the terror group’s Iraq franchise.

Police investigating the plot had arrested eight people Tuesday, including at least six suspects trained as doctors, including a man of Indian nationality arrested in Australia. Sources close to the investigation told CBS News on Tuesday that another two or three arrests were likely to be seen in Britain, but that two of the people already in custody were likely to be released without charge.

Sources tell CBS News that al-Muhajir recruited the men between 2004 and 2005, while they were living in the Middle East, upon orders from then-Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Well, I am still not sure that the connections just appeard in 2004 - and across all those nations. How did Zarqawi recruit people from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and India while in Iraq fighting the US? No, these were sympathizers he tapped knowing they could be trusted. At least that makes more sense than just tapping some doctors and saying “hey, want to move to the UK and blow up an airport?”

End Update

One thing the liberal SurrenderMedia is going to have to come to grips with is the fact al-Qaeda was and is in Iraq, and apparently was for some time. Not to mention the need to monitor people from the Middle East, no matter how benign they may seem on the outside. Just take a look at the suspects in the UK car bomb plot:

Five of the eight people under arrest last night are said to be doctors. Another of those detained is the wife of one of the doctors, who is a medical assistant working for the NHS. The home of a sixth doctor is said to have been searched by police. Late last night an Australian television network reported that a suspect wanted in connection with the attacks had been arrested in Brisbane.

Attention has been focused on a group of nationals from the Middle East, who had not previously attracted the interest of security agencies.

Until now, cases of Islamist terrorism have involved mainly Muslims who were born and brought up in Britain. The alleged arrival of teams from abroad to carry out attacks, their identities unknown to the domestic law agencies, adds another dimension to the terrorist threat being faced in the United Kingdom.

Why were these people not of an interest to security agencies? Was it because, being doctors, they were above suspicion? Or was it because they made no contacts back to the Middle East? That is unlikely (and would be more suspicious than making some contacts one would think). It is important to assess how this cell made it by security screenings. But that is another question for a different post. Back to the al-Qaeda ties to Iraq:

With the security alert staying at the highest possible level and warnings that another attack may be “imminent”, police carried out 19 raids across the country, arresting nationals from Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Among those arrested was Mohammed Jamil Abdelqader Asha, a 26-year-old neurologist who was born in Saudi Arabia but is of Palestinian origin and was travelling on a Jordanian passport. He and his 27-year-old wife, a medical assistant, were arrested on the M6 in Cheshire, in connection with the attempted bombings in London.

Also under arrest was Bilal Talal Abdul Samad Abdulla, an Iraqi from Baghdad who arrived in the UK in April 2006. He is said to have been one of the two men in the Cherokee Jeep in the Glasgow airport attack, and is suffering from third-degree burns.

His companion, under arrest, is also from Iraq, while two other men, aged 25 and 28, arrested in Paisley yesterday, were said to be doctors from Saudi Arabia.

The Iraqis are of interest to me because I would wager they have been in Iraq since before the US invasion. And I would wager their ties to al-Qaeda are as long as their ties to one of Saddam’s intelligence or special forces units. And there is good evidence I am right:

Dr Abdulla, who had qualified in Baghdad in 2004, a year after the US-led invasion, has been in Britain since August 2006. He is said to have lived in Jordan before arriving in the UK.

It seems the bloody Dr. Abdulla was trained as a doctor, and maybe more, under Saddam’s regime. It seems the police have blown up some cars at the Hospital were the good Dr worked in the UK. It turns out the UK has imported a lot of doctors from the ME to fill its public health slots (which always go wanting for professionals and is just another reason not to nationalize health care - you just end up exporting it to third world countries).

8 posted on 07/04/2007 3:12:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: SunkenCiv

See link at #8......also.


9 posted on 07/04/2007 3:14:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
American intelligence sources suggested yesterday that some cell members were recruited by al-Qa'eda in Iraq up to three years ago. Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, an insurgency leader, was said to have been ordered to find young men to blend into Western society before staging an attack, said the CBS television network in America.

The Iraq connection has not been evident in any of the many other stories I have read about this group of doctors. I wonder if this is a real piece of intelligence, or just another leak by unnamed leftists in the CIA to their leftist contacts in the media? CBS would love to blame this on the war in Iraq.

Of course, it could be true. But I really wonder.

10 posted on 07/04/2007 3:16:45 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Others were found to be on the MI5 database, which contains an estimated 2,000 suspected jihadists or supporters of terrorism.

Round em up. Doesn’t the UK have preventive detention?
At a minimum they need to know they are being watched, and are walking a fine line.


11 posted on 07/04/2007 3:18:00 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I didn’t see your latest post, which adds more detail. But there are still Jordanian, Indian, and Pakistani connections, seemingly.


12 posted on 07/04/2007 3:18:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Terror suspects 'known to MI5'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858807/posts?page=1963#1963

13 posted on 07/04/2007 3:26:10 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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Round em up. Doesn’t the UK have preventive detention? At a minimum they need to know they are being watched, and are walking a fine line.

They Brits have "control orders" but cannot hold terrorism suspects for more than 30 days without charge. PM Brown is supposedly considering increasing that to 90 days. My understanding is that "control orders" are similar to pre-conviction probation. (My sister lives in London part of the time, but she is not completely familiar with the legalities.)

My question is, if these subjects were known or suspected jihadis, what were they doing practicing medicine on vulnerable patients? Just how vigilant is the NHS? Dr. Harold Shipman, M.D., National Health Service, killed an estimated 230 of his patients over about two decades before the NHS woke up.
14 posted on 07/04/2007 3:28:38 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Speaking of The Daily Mail...

The car bomb you are calling may be switched off - please try later!

The last sentence sums it up well to my mind.

15 posted on 07/04/2007 3:29:12 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks.


16 posted on 07/04/2007 3:31:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Wednesday, July 4, 2007.)
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Damn,....that is a GREAT piece.....wonder how long Brown is gonna last?


17 posted on 07/04/2007 3:47:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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My favourite moment was the interview with the have-a-go hero at the airport who helped apprehend one of the would-be bombers. His account went something like: "I saw this Asian guy running towards me shouting 'Allah' — so I battered him."

love it! thanks for the link.

18 posted on 07/04/2007 4:05:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Militant websites hint of a new tape coming from Osama bin Laden
19 posted on 07/04/2007 4:07:54 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
UK: Bomb suspects on MI5 files

Unlimited Immigration for all of them! Investigate them later. National Suicide. (want to borrow some hammers? You could do yourselves in much quicker)

20 posted on 07/04/2007 4:20:07 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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