This recent example is in Erlangen, Bavaria, same area as the homeschool controversy earlier this year.
What Germany is doing to pro-life speech is outrageous.
America is based on a lot more freedom and lets hope we can keep it that way.
I bet the left is just drooling at the mouth wishing to have that kind of power.
That is just SO UPSIDE DOWN!
It is obvious that everyone who is in favor of abortion, has already been born!
It is not a choice,
It is a child.
...and it is a Holocaust. Killing millions of innocent humans! Killing millions of humans IS a Holocaust!
I guess they forgot that part of the Holocause was the forced abortions of Jewish babies, as well as other “undesireables”.
Looks like the Germans have finally discovered a crime that they are willing to punish by imprisonment.
That is not to downplay in the least the horror of the genocide committed by Nazi Germany against the Jews and others. That had to be stopped, and kept a maniac and his regime from taking control of large parts of the world and perpetrating the same across the board.
The problem with abortion (outside of it being out and out murder and the destruction of what should be one of the most tranquel places on earth...the womb) is that the mentatlity of the people themselves, across large parts of this earth, has allowed it...even applauded and supported it. From this perspective it is also worse than the holocaust. it has already spread across much of the world where Hitler was stopped in Europe and North Africa.
Next time we must destroy this garbage once and for all.
This pastor actually learned this lesson, and he IS speaking up for the people who are being persecuted. Sadly, the rest of Germany may end up re-learning the lesson of what happens when society systematically persecutes the helpless.
Orwell would have loved this.
Where Lerle is wrong is that the Holocaust came about because of the diabolical policies of one twisted individual, the evil of abortion has infected millions. The guilt is much more widespread. It’s “lucky” for us (da human race) that the Lord God Almighty decided one Flood was His limit.
This is the next step in America. Stop the preaching against abortion from the pulpit, or lose your tax exemption or even risk prison.
Germany is just so screwed up, as is much of Europe. If we’re not careful, this type of nonsense is coming to the US. As another poster pointed out, the fascists were left in charge and we are seeing that legacy.
In Germany, and Bavaria of all places,they decide to imprison a good man for making a point about what we’ve come to as a culture. He proves the point in more ways than one: Germany should have found a way to put HITLER, the AUTHOR of the holocaust,to death, in the same way
they now so blithely terminate lives of the unborn. The Pastor is paying the price for reminding Germans that the Holocasut happened and that a form of it is happening again.
That is why they imprisoned him. It is an outrage. We need to support him/
What is different from abortion propaganda and Nazi propaganda? Fascism has many faces and the germans never change.
At the Allies insistance, Germany since WWII has had these compromises to free speech, namely making holocaust denial, and Nazi symbols, salutes, etc. illegal. This is just a perversion of the law by one judge it appears.
In Germany I’ve seen at flea markets and a military surplus store WWII Nazi items for sale (helmets, uniforms, medals, daggers, etc) but always the swastika is carefully hidden by a sticker or piece of tape—as showing a swastika in public is verbotten.
Due to the power of that era, full freedom of speech does not exist in Germany—and I’m not sure anyone (including us) wants it...however, the way the PC/liberal types are using it to persecute pro-life folk is horrible. I believe it is the way the same types in this country would behave, if (or when...) the could.
As to the home-schooling prohibition—most people in Germany have the attitude to the idea of homeschooling as Americans did say in the 1950s, namely, “What? Why in the world would one ever not send the kids to school?” It’s just an alien concept in a society with more focus on the community. Most Germans live in small towns actually (a much higher proportion that Americans) and even in cities, more people walk or bike in their neighbrohoods and due to this, more will know their neighbors and neighbrohoods better....one doesn’t find the suburban isolation nearly as common as you see in the USA.
School is done by noon....so kids have the afternoons with their families....which as small as they are, tend to be very indulgent (modern German children tend to be brats!). At age ten, after a series of ability tests, kids are tracked into either college bound schools, or trade-bound schools. This is one reason why the Germans have traditionally had such a highly skilled work force—the tradesmen have been training for their trade since age 11.....and are not just the worst students or dropouts from high-school as they tend to be in the USA.
The main immigrant threat—if you want to call it that—(the Mexicans of Germany) are the Turks with huge unassimilated numbers particularly in western Germany. Fortunately for the Germans though, radical Islamism is rare among the Turks as traditional Turkish culture has a pretty secular nature. None-the-less, the lack of assimilation of these immigrants has the Germans pretty worried—hence the intolerance to the weird new American ideas of homeschooling.
The Germans don’t want little Moslem schools (or other weird outsider’s schools) outside their orderly oversight....therefore there is very little public support for allowing homeschooling. (if I recall correctly the case against homeschoolers were of immigrant homeschoolers...).
To tell you the truth, I’m not sure I’m very comfy with Mohammed Aluah Akbar-types setting up homeschools (or any schools) in America either—and dealing with hate-centers-of-”education” is probably something we in America will have to confront sooner or later too.
Hetzen means to hunt, pursue, incite, agitate. If the judge was a Catholic, he could have said, "Der Ketzer ist ein Hetzer," but I hope he isn't a Catholic. The idea that the pastor's statement constitutes a denial of the Holocaust is ludicrous--it would be meaningless if the pastor didn't accept the reality of the Holocaust.
This should be a warning to us of where the Democrats want to take this country, with speech codes and "hate crime" legislation.
Yeah, but 16 to 20 y/o people can drink beer in Germany so in reality they have much more freedom than in the USA. (do I really even need a /sarcasm tag?)