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Posted on 06/23/2007 1:28:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
(AP) SALT LAKE CITY -- Mitt Romney said Saturday that criticism of his Mormon religion by rival GOP presidential campaigns is happening too frequently.
“Clearly, any derogatory comments about anyone’s faith—those comments are troubling. The fact they keep on coming up is even more troubling,” Romney said during a fundraising trip in the home state of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Mormon church is one of the fastest-growing religions and claims about 12.5 million members worldwide. But many evangelical Christians in crucial primary states such as Iowa and South Carolina consider the faith a cult.
Romney’s remarks follow an apology from GOP rival John McCain’s campaign for comments about the Mormon church allegedly made this year by a volunteer.
Also recently, Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, issued a similar apology for a campaign worker’s e-mail to Iowa Republican leaders that was an apparent attempt to draw unfavorable scrutiny of Romney’s religion. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani apologized after the New York Sun noted that a campaign aide had forwarded to a blogger a story about unofficial Mormon lore. Legend has it that a Mormon would save the Constitution, the story said. The campaign aide passed the story along with a note: “Thought you’d find this interesting.”
Romney said in a large presidential race there always will be some volunteers or workers who cannot be controlled. But he said the difference between derogatory comments that originated from the McCain campaign and others is that the Arizona senator has not personally apologized to him.
“In the case of Senator Brownback and Mayor Giuliani ... they called immediately. They each spoke with me personally. I don’t have any issue with that at all,” Romney said.
He said McCain “can do whatever he feels is the right thing. There’s no need for me to suggest how people respond to things that go on in the campaign.”
Tucker Bounds, a McCain campaign spokesman, said the McCain campaign has already apologized.
“It’s a very sincere apology. There is absolutely no place for those type of comments in our campaign,” he said.
Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, said he had not spoken with McCain since the last presidential debate, on June 5.
Romney used a fundraiser hosted by Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller to criticize the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. It banned unregulated, unlimited contributions from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals to national political parties and federal candidates.
“The bill ought to be repealed,” he said. “It’s been the wrong course for American campaigns.”
Romney said he favors unlimited donations as long as they are immediately disclosed on the Internet.
Romney was attending fundraisers in Salt Lake City and in Logan on Saturday.
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Oh..okay I get it.
You think the two concepts are mutually exclusive? We are saved by grace. I can see no other way to communicate this to you more clearly. We agree on that point.
Our position differs in the following way: grace is contingent on an honest effort to obey the Lord’s commandments.
This is not a threatening statement. It helps us to be better people. I continue to be befuddled and amazed that so many people take offense (not just disagreement) with it.
~”Or they’ll NEVER see the light and get saved!”~
Then that’s their choice. I have other people to help, if they won’t listen.
Mormonism doesn’t -destroy- faith. It -supplements- the faith a person already has.
In other words: You believe in Christ? Let us teach you more! You believe in Grace? Let us teach you more! You believe in scripture, prophesy, morality, and family? Let us teach you more!
~”You’d think it’d be in according with their NEEDS!!!”~
That’s kind of a silly nitpick, Elsie.
To say a person is “wanting” of something, can easily mean they need it. We are talking about somewhat archaic terms here.
Check this out:
http://m-w.com/dictionary/want
For a little more clarity, select the noun from the list.
As LDS we are taught that even though we are saved by grace, we are council to keep the Lord’s commandment by allowing the Lord to show us all that we can do.
It is the Lord who guides our steps and shows us just like his father showed his only begotton Son, to do the will of the Heavenly Father in John 5!
Sadly many refuse to allow the Lord to show them all they can do it seems all many want to do is mock it and make it go away!
I don’t talk behind people’s backs (or email them either or Private Reply.) I think I would take you more seriously if you would stop with the sarcasm.
And lamentably...that's the point, I think...of these back-and-forths.
We were all given this wonderful choice...to reject or accept.
To follow what is truth or not. It's an age old hunt. Not just from the early 1800's.
Once again to use our God given abilities to discern what is grounded, pure, tested, and without doubt..is a wonderful gift of free will. But it's also a double edged sword, that free will. Wide is one path, and narrow is the other.
Which will I choose? Am I using all my intellect..or have I been swayed by other forces? What will my family choose? I know not. Eternal life or death? Which will you?. I know not. It comes back to that wonderful and at the same time fearful, tested, mindful, studied choice. .
It's a great gift this.....and it's yours/mine, and only yours/mine to make. In the end...I'm responsible for my salvation, and only mine...and you yours. I wish I could make / pray my children and my ancestors into heaven. But I can't, it was and is their choice.
I pray that God will open your eyes, and mine..and others that are searching...to see all the truth. Fore we are just among the trillions of souls..in the grand scope of the world that He created...I implore my very being to understand it. But I look through a glass darkly...Just when I think I've got it...it shimmers away.
Do you have it? Have you tested it? Have I?
That is the question and the choice..all wrapped into one.
Exactly right. And all of us will continue to ask that they be removed. People can go search on the Internet and find out all they want.
Or they can become members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and find out for themselves.
That is why I remain so dedicated to what I believe. I have a single advantage over many others - I know where to look to find the truth we all seek. For me, while the journey remains before me, the path is clear.
I admire your steadfastness, in your belief.
Many have gone before you.....
And me.
Very strongly agreed.
mark
“They [the alleged golden plates] are in a secure place with the Lord so hand of the distortor can not tamper with them!”
ahhhh, right.
... or
The demon that appeared to young Smith took them back
... or
The familiar spirit of the dead indian, moroni, that
appeared to young Smith had him halluncinate the plate
story.
... or
Young Smith made the whole thing up to cover stealing
the story from Spaulding.
... or
You keep flailing away, don’t you?
Didn’t you know there are 11 other witnesses who testified to seeing and/or handling the gold plates?
Many of these witnesses later became disaffected, but never denied their testimony of seeing and/or handling the gold plates.
Are you going to claim, like Hillary, that their testimonies are all part of a “vast Mormon wing conspiracy?”
Galatians 1: 6 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert
the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto
you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. "
Ephesians 2: "8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not
from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast."
Let me guess, you got a real good explanation for James 2:24, right?
“Ye see then how that BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY.”
And another good explanation for Matthew 25:31-46
Those who had faith AND PERFORMED GOOD WORKS are described as righteous, are set on the Savior’s right hand and receive eternal life while those who had faith, BUT PERFORMEED NO WORKS, were set on the Savior’s left hand and, well, I guess they receive everlasting punishment.
CUH,
there are also people who claim young smith stole the
manuscript from Rev. Spaulding. I don’t pretend to know
which demon or story is correct. I only know it isn’t
Biblical Christianity. It is a false doctrine/s.
My point was that resty (a few posts up) was talking
about how we don’t have the original Bible manuscripts,
so I was tweaking her that we don’t have any golden
plates at all. This is even a worse situation. We have
thousands of Bible manuscripts/fragments to compare and
use textual criticism to restore the text. We have
no fragments/manuscripts of mormonism books copied in
“reformed egyptian” at all. (If we do, please give me a
link. I’ve never set eyes on reformed egyptian before
and I’d like to take a look. So would thousands of
linguists and Egyptologists, I imagine.)
In other words, we have a bogus story from a guy who
was a treasure hunter, dabbled in the occult, was hauled
into court for being a false glass looker, gave varying
accounts of the story of finding plates, and was known
to be a person of low character, etc, and etc, and etc.
What a contrast to the Bible. To the real God. To the
real Jesus Christ. To the real Gospel of grace. To the
real heaven. And etc, and etc, and etc.
best,
ampu
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