Ruby Ridge's Weaver offers support for New Hampshire tax-evading couple

The Idaho Statesman: The Haunting Fear that Somebody Somewhere Knows We're Full Of It ^ | 19 June 2007 | Philip Elliott - Associated Press

[GOP_Raider]

PLAINFIELD, N.H. — Randy Weaver, the symbol of everything the government hopes to avoid with convicted tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown, offered advice to the fugitives and warnings to federal agents at the Browns’ fortified home on Monday.

Weaver’s wife and son and a deputy U.S. marshal were killed during the infamous Ruby Ridge shootout with federal agents in Idaho in 1992. He visited the Browns’ hilltop home to raise the specter of the botched federal raid and lend his celebrity to the tax evaders’ cause.

“We said, ’This is it, we’re not going to take it any more’ … This is serious stuff. Bring it on,” Weaver said during a news conference on the Browns’ front porch. “I ain’t afraid of dying no more. I’m curious about the afterlife. And I’m an atheist.”

During the sometimes hostile news conference that had Weaver and Ed Brown shouting insults at reporters, the speakers and their supporters repeated their claims that income taxes are voluntary, and any tax on labor amounts to slavery.

“The bottom line is: Show us the law, we will pay what you ask,” said Ed Brown, who had a gun tucked in his waistband. “They can’t do it, folks.”

[GOP_Raider]

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[ovrtaxt]

Taxation on income is Marxist and evil. Plain and simple.

http://www.fairtax.org

[durasell]

Then move to a country with no income tax. I hear Luxembourg is nice this time of year.

[Vaquero]

As much as I agree with his views on taxation, you have to pick your battles and to potentially commit suicide over it is a bit out there.

Though his potential martyrdom is something we all may be able to rally around, his death or incarceration sure as hell wont help him with his tax problems.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Make sure Lon Horiuchi isn't anywhere in the vicinity.

[GOP_Raider]

Or the Principality of Sealand!

[ovrtaxt]

No. I’d rather work to abolish it.

http://www.fairtax.org

[durasell]

You would abolish Luxembourg? What have the poor Luxemburgers ever done to you?

[ovrtaxt]

NUKE EM ALL! lol

[GOP_Raider]

What have the poor Luxemburgers ever done to you?

Well, they were very tasty but I needed some Pepto afterward. Probably shouldn't have asked for the extra bacon and cheese.

[durasell]

Do not blame the Luxemburgers for what could just as easily be attributed to the French Fries.

[DocH]

you have to pick your battles

Apparently, they HAVE picked their battle, and I say, more power to them, good luck, and God bless (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition).

[GOP_Raider]

Do not blame the Luxemburgers for what could just as easily be attributed to the French Fries.

Point well taken. French Fries, carbs...bad carbs! No Atkins for you! (And now I will fall asleep.)

[durasell]

Perhaps they should have picked a somewhat smaller battle —like a local school bond. That would obviously save a lot of taxpayer money if they could have an armed stand-off over a school bond.

[ovrtaxt]

If I lived in NH, I’d probably go down there with sandwiches and drinks for these guys.

Notice that you’ve heard very little about this in the national media- they don’t want to create a tipping point over this. There are plenty of Americans who would empathise with these folks.

[ovrtaxt]

That would obviously save a lot of taxpayer money if they could have an armed stand-off over a school bond.

Sounds like they've already saved a lot of taxpayer money- theirs!

[durasell]

Sounds like they’ve already saved a lot of taxpayer money- theirs!

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Right!

[Nextrush]

Tony Snow said that the tens of millions of people here illegally would jam up the criminal justice system if we actually rounded them up and kicked them out.

So if a lot of people break the law, we can’t do anything about it. Maybe this guy needs 20 million more like him.

I wonder what the people in Washington would say then?

[durasell]

Most people are fairly reasonable. Nobody likes paying taxes, but they are a necessity and the vast majority of people realize that.

[bkepley]

Though his potential martyrdom is something we all may be able to rally around,

They're a discredit to their cause unfortunately. They might rally other loonys.

[Remember Ruby Ridge]

“I ain’t afraid of dying no more. I’m curious about the afterlife. And I’m an atheist.”

Wow! I'm surprised by this...I wonder why he named his book "Every Knee Shall Bow" if he is an atheist. His book insinuated he was religious...

[DainBramage]

LOL Weaver doing Gritz. I thought he was supposed to be such a nonviolent victim not an anti-government Aryan Nation hate monger.

When he slips and calls them the ZOG itll all be a dejavu.

[Past Your Eyes]

"If I lived in NH, I’d probably go down there with sandwiches and drinks for these guys."

In that case, please stay where you are. We have enough home-grown lamebrains here already.

[Past Your Eyes]

Maybe he particularly enjoyed that passage the Paul wrote to the Phillipians.

[DainBramage]

He visited the Browns’ hilltop home to raise the specter of the botched federal raid and lend his celebrity to the tax evaders’ cause.

Everybodys made him a hero and he was really just a delusional nutjob thats seeking 15 more minutes.

Be looking for him to open t-shirt stands and book tables at the front gate.

[ovrtaxt]

I guess you’re one of those NH people who resent the Free State Project too?

[ovrtaxt]

I’ve been wondering that same thing too. hehe...

[Past Your Eyes]

I guess you’re one of those people who does a lot of assuming.

[Past Your Eyes]

I guess you’re one of those people who does a lot of assuming.

[LibLieSlayer]

“Weaver said during a news conference on the Browns’ front porch. “I ain’t afraid of dying no more. I’m curious about the afterlife. And I’m an atheist.”

A word of advice... have a supply of Sunblocker 5000 when you die... it’s going to be a little warm where you are going Mr. Weaver. I pray you find Jesus before that day!

LLS

[ovrtaxt]

Okay, so where’s the logical breakdown? If you’re a FSP supporter, you should have no problem with this.

These people are demanding economic freedom from an unjust and anti-American tax system, and they don’t care if they die in the process.

Sound pretty darn Boston Tea Party to me.

Remember, this nation was founded on an armed tax revolt.

[RachelFaith]

I’m curious about the afterlife. And I’m an atheist.

Well.... THAT'S a reaaaaallllly Bad combination.... = (

[labette]

"Then move to a country with no income tax"

Our ancestors tried moving to a new country. Oppression followed them. Fortunately, they fought for and won the freedoms we take for granted today.

[DainBramage]

One minute its "come and get us our cause is righteous!" and the next the government is a "mudering batch of jack booted thugs" because someone got hurt. Hypocrites.

At least dont drag your kids and wife into your madness.

BTW do you think roads and dams and Defense Forces self perpetuate? Pay your share!

Work to change the laws through the proper channels if you feel wronged, quite stomping and screaming about guns and revolt, it cheapens your argument and only benefits your "enemy".

[ovrtaxt]

dude— I’ve posted this all over the thread- it’s the ultimate solution, and the one I endorse.

http://www.fairtax.org

[DainBramage]

When you sympathize with these people you dont seem all that much different. "Come and get me...Im for (place hyperlink here)No Tax/Fair Tax."

I wouldnt associate with these nutjobs in anyway if you want to be taken seriously. JMO

[ovrtaxt]

I’m not associating with them at all. I live in FL, and I’m not a tax protester.

But their complaint is correct, as were our Founders.

[AmericaUnited]

And I’m an atheist.

The funny thing is that Brown says he only answers to God, and not the government. He's on a mission from God to do "the right thing". So I wonder why Weaver didn't tell him he's on a mission from a nonexistent entity and hence A KOOK?

[AmericaUnited]

But their complaint is correct, as were our Founders.

Our Founders beef was "No Taxation WITHOUT Representation.", not "No Taxation period." Out Founders put in Article I of the Constitution this little phrase "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes". So save the fantasyland bull that they did not believe in any taxes..

P.S. I HATE taxes.

[Past Your Eyes]

Je ne givashit pas about your Free State Project. They were going to come here to NH and show us how it’s done. I had no problem with that. They were going to take over the town of Grafton (not far from Plainfield, incidentally) and make that a base for taking the rest of the state over. As far as I can see, they can’t even take over a tiny town of <1000 people. It doesn’t really sound like an idea whose time has come to me; does it to you? Doesn’t much really matter what I think of it.

[Nailbiter]

Call the Jake and Elroy, LOL

[corlorde]

Yeah, I think he’s an atheist who has doubts about his non belief. I watched the press conference, and Weaver kept quoting the bible. Perhaps he’s just angry at god.

[Past Your Eyes]

So, do you shoot right-handed or left-handed? Or is one of those pictures of somebody else?

[an amused spectator]

Income tax concentration camps...

[Michael Barnes]

Pay your share!

shot in the dark here, but I think that is why many people are so frustrated (including whomever one believes is a loony), in this country "fair share" is not fair across the board. And lets face the facts, the Govt simply does not want to listen or act upon the will of the people anymore; at least the will of the tax burdened people.

[corlorde]

I can shoot both. Yeah, it’s me.

[an amused spectator]

Our Founders beef was "No Taxation WITHOUT Representation.", not "No Taxation period." Out Founders put in Article I of the Constitution this little phrase "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes".

Interestingly, our Founders also believed that one representative spoke for 20,000 citizens. We're now at 600,000 plus citizens per representative and counting, and with this amnesty deal, it'll go up to 650,000.

Maybe we should save the taxpayers some money and have just ONE representative, and we'll still be satisfying the "No Taxation WITHOUT Representation" requirement for the rubes...

[Nephi]

Why do you support taxing products made in communist China and socialist Germany and France at the same rate as products made in the US?

Tariffs are the conservative version of the NRST. The NRST is compatible with globalism. Or, are you one of those open borders free trade globalists?

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

“...I’m curious about the afterlife. And I’m an atheist.”

Ummm...huh?