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Mahmoud Wants War
Pajamas Media ^ | 06-17-07 | Meir Javendanfar

Posted on 06/17/2007 11:39:51 AM PDT by Starman417

Increasingly, the angry speeches of Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reveal a desperate president in need of a conflict. Just a few days ago, he crossed a key rhetorical red line by expressing open hostility towards both Judaism and Christianity.

While his rhetoric may seem completely reckless to the western world, in the past, there have been certain limits beyond which Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did not dare to venture.

But this past week, he crossed a line which should be taken as a warning signal.

In the past, the Iranian has claimed that his problem is with political ideologies and not religion. Jews and Judaism, when kept in their place were just dandy, he said – his problem was with Zionism and Israel’s existence. At no time, before, or after his presidency, had Ahmadinejad made such a statement, which could be interpreted as hostile against the monotheistic religions which the Koran has declared as holy.

But on Friday, June 15th speaking at an Islamic seminary school, Ahmadinejad charged that “ideologies deviating from God’s teachings are being spread with dollars in the name of Judaism and Christianity around the world. Those who are doing this are saying they want to save humanity, whereas the only way to save humanity is Islam”.

This is the first time that Ahmadinejad has made a statement in which he has accused Jews and Christians of spreading blasphemy, without even bothering to include a hint that it is rogue groups within such religions who are responsible. This is unprecedented.

What is even more worrying is that these comments, which were reported by the Iranian news agency Aftab News, won the support of Moosa Ghorbani, a senior member of the Iranian parliament.

Rather than condemning the president for words which could cause offense and hostility, Ghorbani instead condemned other former presidents for not making similar statements. He went on to say that “Islam completes other religions” and that therefore “other religions are not accepted by God”.

The good news is, it is unlikely that his words will inspire an increase in anti-Semitic and anti- Christian activity in Iran, because most Iranian people do not share these radical beliefs. On a day-to-day level Iranian Jews and Christians live relatively comfortably in Iran. Iranian people are very tolerant of them. Jews and Christians openly pray in their churches and synagogues. Iranian Jews are even allowed to travel to Israel, despite the country’s president’s repeated threats and predictions about the destruction of the Jewish state.

Ahmendinejad hatred of all things Israeli is not new. Even Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic never harangued and provoked Israel verbally as much as Ahmadinejad, beginning with his speech in the city of Zahedan in December 2005, in which he called the Holocaust a “myth” and climaxing with the controversial Holocaust denial conference a year later in Tehran.

But Ahmadinejad always insisted on the clear distinction that the “enemy” was Zionism, and not Judaism. In a perversion of history, he associated the Holocaust with Zionist ideology, and nothing to do with Judaism. To help validate his position, he made sure that members of the Neturei Karta, a Jewish anti Zionist group were invited to the Holocaust denial conference and he was photographed embracing them warmly.

In this context, the new statements hostile to Judaism and Christianity made by Ahmadinejad, and the fact that they were backed by the parliamentary leadership should grab the attention of the international community. (Until now, they have not been reported in the international press in English)

There are a number of reasons why Ahmadinejad could have crossed this line.

First and foremost, it could have simply been because he got overexcited. On the same day, he had been handing out graduation awards to students at the Imam Khomeini foundation, run by his mentor, the extremist messianic Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi. The Yazd born Ayatollah is well known for his radical views and statements against the West. Perhaps by making some of his own, Ahmadinejad was showing him that he still is devout follower, and still grateful for the fact that Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi helped his presidential campaign by issuing a fatwa which supported his presidential bid.

The more threatening reason could be his own isolation. Ahmadinejad is a cornered man, who is losing popularity at a ferocious pace inside Iran, mainly due to the failings of his economic policies. He may feel that provoking a war with the West, in hopes of inspiring a public rallying around the flag will be his only saving grace. Otherwise, he stands very little chance of winning the 2009 presidential elections.

The more threatened Ahmadinejad feels, the more he will be looking for a conflict to survive. The Western world needs to think very carefully before giving him what he wants.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; ahmedinejad; antisemitism; iran; islam; mahmoud; muhammadsminions; waronislamism; wot

1 posted on 06/17/2007 11:39:52 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

bump


2 posted on 06/17/2007 11:42:40 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Starman417

The mahdi has been coming any day for the past thousand years. He will show up when it is time by his own clock (after hell has frozen over) and won’t be summoned by Iammadjohn.


3 posted on 06/17/2007 11:43:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Starman417

Ahmadinejad should be careful what he wishes for.


4 posted on 06/17/2007 11:48:00 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: SJackson; jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; ...
Ahmadinejad finding new levels of anti-Jewish and anti-Christian rhetoric ping.
5 posted on 06/17/2007 11:50:48 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: RightWhale

this goofball wants war to prop up his crumbling goverment.
We cant ignore him and we cant contain him. If we had a good CIA, maybe we can try to cause a isurection. But the CIA seems good at trying to overthrow THIS goverment.


6 posted on 06/17/2007 11:55:26 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Starman417
I agree with mockmood about dollars spreading Christianity. Baptists and other Protestant denominations spend millions every year spreading the word around the World. TBN, CBN and other ministries are putting the Word on satellite, and beaming it to even the darkest places on the earth..

..all in order to save a few muslims from a hopeless, terror filled, unhappy ending.

Islam kills

7 posted on 06/17/2007 11:56:13 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: Starman417

It is clear he wants war to take the domestic pressure off the regime. The Iranians are just about fed up with their nutjob overlords. But there is always the chance that he will get what he’s asking for, and much, much more. Think ocean of glass.


8 posted on 06/17/2007 11:59:07 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Starman417

I see no future for the mid-east other than distruction. Only question is, “By whom?” I know some Iranian expats here, and they hate Badmood Imadinnerjacket!


9 posted on 06/17/2007 11:59:21 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Yorlik803

Take care of it. I’m retired.


10 posted on 06/17/2007 11:59:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Starman417
My wife is getting a little pissed that I keep buying more weapons.

Oh' well.

I guess she will just have to be mad.

11 posted on 06/17/2007 11:59:58 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: Starman417

He has crossed the war line about 6 times, as I recall. We back-up and redraw the line. I guess when he nukes Tel Aviv and sends uniformed Iranian soldires into the Port of NY, we might get some cojones.


12 posted on 06/17/2007 12:01:51 PM PDT by herMANroberts
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To: Yorlik803
There are those in our government who knows exactly where moockmood lives.

We have missiles that can hit a target within a couple of feet.

There are American warships really close to Iran with these missiles on board

It sure would be satisfying to see one used at 3 am Tehran time.

13 posted on 06/17/2007 12:04:12 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: herMANroberts

“He has crossed the war line about 6 times, as I recall. We back-up and redraw the line. I guess when he nukes Tel Aviv and sends uniformed Iranian soldires into the Port of NY, we might get some cojones.”

Isn’t ironic - the world did the same thing with Hitler until it was too late. As for any cojones, only if El President Jorge taps one of his new constituents to do the job no American will do.


14 posted on 06/17/2007 12:26:02 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: Starman417

Ahmanutjob needs his head examined ASAP.


15 posted on 06/17/2007 12:49:22 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: RightWhale
The odd fact is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (for being a nut) understands that *time* is on our side in the short run...not his.....Which is why he wants a conflict.

We are changing the ME with our current policies....and time is our friend in this battle over the long run...

16 posted on 06/17/2007 12:57:36 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Starman417

Just a few days ago, he crossed a key rhetorical red line by expressing open hostility towards both Judaism and Christianity.

He’s right in line with the 9th circuit then. They declared “family values” hate speech.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1851754/posts


17 posted on 06/17/2007 1:06:34 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: RightWhale

I have the time now..I was laid off....it will give me something to do...


18 posted on 06/17/2007 1:08:24 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: saganite

It’s time to stick a neutron bomb up his butt and set it off. This guy wants to kill everyone in the world who is not a member of the islamic cult.


19 posted on 06/17/2007 1:11:28 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: saganite

It’s time to stick a neutron bomb up his butt and set it off. This guy wants to kill everyone in the world who is not a member of the islamic cult.


20 posted on 06/17/2007 1:11:50 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Starman417

“The more threatened Ahmadinejad feels, the more he will be looking for a conflict to survive. The Western world needs to think very carefully before giving him what he wants.”

Target enough nukes and he WILL NOT survive.

Islam delenda est.


21 posted on 06/17/2007 1:13:07 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Starman417
The more threatened Ahmadinejad feels, the more he will be looking for a conflict to survive. The Western world needs to think very carefully before giving him what he wants.

I have thought it obvious from the start of his rantings that he is trying to provoke an armed conflict with either the US or Israel or both. He doesn't seem to care if it is conventional or nuclear nor is he concerned with "winning" in a conventional sense. I think he is attempting to trigger events that will flush the twelfth Imam from his centuries old hiding place in the well.

He is the most dangerous foe that anyone can face, he is a true believer and will not hesitate to plunge the Middle East into Armageddon, sacrificing Iran as well to fulfill his vision of the future.

Regards,
GtG

PS We need a sniper here more then a nuclear exchange and soon...

22 posted on 06/17/2007 1:15:25 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Starman417
There are a number of reasons why Ahmadinejad could have crossed this line.

Occam's Razor eliminates all except for the observation that untreated mental illnesses are generally progressive.

23 posted on 06/17/2007 1:17:29 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Linda Chavez can _speculate_ about bigotry, but her own criminality is a matter of _record_.)
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To: FredZarguna

I knew Occam. Occam was a friend of mine. We called him Bill and he didn’t even own a razor.


24 posted on 06/17/2007 1:57:27 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
We called him Bill and he didn’t even own a razor.

I know. Originally Bill Hamilton over in Ireland used to refer to it as "Ockham's toenail clippers," but like his quaternions the phrase never really caught on.

25 posted on 06/17/2007 2:33:58 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Linda Chavez can _speculate_ about bigotry, but her own criminality is a matter of _record_.)
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26 posted on 06/17/2007 2:34:39 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Starman417

Islam, gift from HELL.


27 posted on 06/17/2007 2:38:23 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: FredZarguna

He would be arrested as a terrorist today—defacing public property and frightening generations of undergrads.


28 posted on 06/17/2007 2:38:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Starman417

Mahmould is a complete nutjob. Put him in a straighhtjacket PLEASE!


29 posted on 06/17/2007 2:41:08 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Biggirl
Islam, gift from HELL.

Yep.

REAL Prophets climb mountains to be closer to God.
They don't crawl into holes to listen to the hissings of The Serpent.

30 posted on 06/17/2007 2:42:01 PM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: RightWhale
He would be arrested as a terrorist today—defacing public property and frightening generations of undergrads.

Either that, or given tenure.

31 posted on 06/17/2007 2:42:13 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Linda Chavez can _speculate_ about bigotry, but her own criminality is a matter of _record_.)
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To: lilylangtree
"Ahmanutjob needs his head examined ASAP."

By something the size of a 308?

32 posted on 06/17/2007 2:45:13 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: 3AngelaD

A MATCH MADE IN HELL:

“Ahmadinejad is a cornered man, who is losing popularity at a ferocious pace inside Iran, mainly due to the failings of his economic policies. He may feel that provoking a war with the West, in hopes of inspiring a public rallying around the flag will be his only saving grace.”

Bush is a cornered man, who is losing popularity at a ferocious pace inside the US, mainly due to the failings of his Iraq war and open borders policies. He may feel that provoking a war with Iran, in hopes of inspiring a public rallying around the flag will be his only saving grace.


33 posted on 06/17/2007 2:45:16 PM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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To: GladesGuru
"think very carefully before giving him what he wants.”

How bout 'taking' his only gasoline refinery? Industrial accident of course....

34 posted on 06/17/2007 2:47:37 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: herMANroberts

“guess when he nukes Tel Aviv and sends uniformed Iranian soldires into the Port of NY, we might get some cojones.”...............The un-uniformed soldiers are already here!


35 posted on 06/17/2007 3:30:28 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (This Tag line has been temporarily suspended by order of Col. Chavez.)
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To: DevSix; elhombrelibre
"We are changing the ME with our current policies....and time is our friend in this battle over the long run..."
Agree. The man and his advisors are very scared they may end up getting the boot or worse. And his beliefs in the return of the Jedi Knight may simply evaporate once his little home grown kingdom comes to an abrupt end.
Hope some Iranian common folk get the chance to stick a pitchfork into his head.
36 posted on 06/17/2007 4:18:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Starman417
"Ahmadinejad is a cornered man, who is losing popularity at a ferocious pace inside Iran, mainly due to the failings of his economic policies...Otherwise, he stands very little chance of winning the 2009 presidential elections...The more threatened Ahmadinejad feels, the more he will be looking for a conflict to survive. The Western world needs to think very carefully before giving him what he wants."

And all of the other Iranian leadership (cleric, government, all Islamo-fascists) and military forces won't build nuclear weapons, while we're ignoring Ahmahdee Neejahd's "ethically challenged" behavior.

What a load of propaganda for the enemy!
37 posted on 06/17/2007 4:54:37 PM PDT by familyop (Most people who've been civilians all of their lives believe that Sinbad thinks just like them.)
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To: Starman417

Go ahead. Advocate for ignoring or assassinating Ahmadinejad. Or offer psychotherapy to him. Keep the debate narrowed to him, Iraq and celebrity worship.

Meanwhile,...

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach London and Rome)

And the IAEA recently estimated that Iran will have about 8,000 centrifuges running by December.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850619/posts


38 posted on 06/17/2007 5:12:14 PM PDT by familyop (Most people who've been civilians all of their lives believe that Sinbad thinks just like them.)
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To: gas0linealley
Bush ... may feel that provoking a war with Iran, in hopes of inspiring a public rallying around the flag will be his only saving grace.

News flash: President Bush isn't running for reelection; he's doing what he sincerely believes is in the best longterm interest of the country.

39 posted on 06/17/2007 5:46:57 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Starman417

The truth is that President Nutjob knows that his time in office is done and the Iranians are going to in time take him out. Plus he knows that both Judism and Christianity have done so much good to the world and this he knows. He wants to badmouth both.


40 posted on 06/17/2007 5:50:56 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Starman417

Mahmoud wants war just like all his predecessors going back to the lunatic himself mohamed.

Islam is a death wish cult.


41 posted on 06/17/2007 7:03:14 PM PDT by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

And that’s enough to declare war I guess?


42 posted on 06/17/2007 9:01:18 PM PDT by herMANroberts
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To: patriciaruth
News flash: President Bush isn't running for reelection; he's doing what he sincerely believes is in the best longterm interest of the country.

By "country", do you mean the folks who have to worry about campaign contribution limits, or those who don't?
43 posted on 06/18/2007 12:59:05 AM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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To: Starman417; familyop
...otherwise, [Ahmadinejad] stands very little chance of winning the 2009 presidential elections.

Barring a real revolution, there won't be any legit 2009 elections in Iran! It is not a republic in the western sense of the word.

44 posted on 06/18/2007 10:30:45 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Starman417

The little lemur should be careful for what he wishes for!


45 posted on 06/18/2007 10:39:32 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: gas0linealley
By "country", do you mean the folks who have to worry about campaign contribution limits,

Good try at a little dig there; but I don't think a lot of the folks who benefited from the tax cuts or from the resulting full employment or that the illegals, who are also benefiting from the full employment, generally donate to campaigns.

I donated, but I don't have income that is subject to income taxes. I supported President Bush because I sincerely believed that tax cuts were going to help the country (everybody in the country in one way or another).

And I believed he was going to face down our enemies abroad who are working to do us ill, and he has been doing that. As we live in a rural area, I didn't think we were in as much risk as those in the cities, especially New York, Washington, D.C., and perhaps Los Angeles (our assessment in 1992). My husband was the one who was sure they were going to chose the WTC as their target.

So, we tend to look at the BIG picture, not just the issues de jour when we are deciding whom to support.

46 posted on 06/19/2007 3:08:19 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth

“So, we tend to look at the BIG picture, not just the issues de jour when we are deciding whom to support.”

That is exactly what politicians, like Bush, want you to do.

Keep your eyes on the (oh so reliable) unemployment stats while jobs are being outsourced all around you.

Keep your eyes on the news accounts of our soldiers killing terrorists half a globe away, while those that are going to hit us at home are walking across an unguarded border.

I could go on, but I think I’m wasting my time. You seem proud that you figured out, in advance, that when terrorists hit the US they would probably hit a heavily populated area, rather than an abandoned outhouse in East Nowhere. Congratulations!

Here’s a bit of wisdom that you should bear in mind when you are concerned about money or politics:

“Take care of the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves.”


47 posted on 06/19/2007 4:49:11 AM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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