CNN: Baathists working hand in hand with US troops

CNN via You Tube ^ | June 9 2007

[ASC2006]

Baathist insurgents and Sunni nationalists fight al-Qaeda together with US forces.

[MNJohnnie]

That what victory looks like in a Counter Insurgency. Eventually the more moderate of the Insurgences are turned to help support the Govt. The hard cored get killed and you have peace.

[razzle]

CNN is easing up on Bush, and reporting some truth, since Bush is with them on the amnesty deal.

[ASC2006]

Sorry, but I don’t buy this paranoid crap some people have about CNN. They are reporting the war better this year because the war is going much better, they reported the war negatively last year because it was going quite badly by anyones measure.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

We should’ve co-opted them and put them on our payroll in the first place, rather than trying to drive them out of government and the old Iraqi Army. Before Eisenhower fired him, Patton was on to something in 1945 when he started running Bavaria with the existing local officials and training his captured German prisoners to fight the Russians.

[corlorde]

The one key element I think we have learned from our support of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets is, we have to prevent the void that is created once there is an element of success. We need to ensure that a Taliban like regime doesn’t come to power in Iraq, and we do that by supporting the Iraq security forces and reinforcing them. I believe the average Iraqi realizes that Al Qaeda and company are a dead end path to nowhere.

[ASC2006]

Of course Bremer firing them from their jobs by the tens of thousands and then telling them they wouldn’t be allowed back because in Bremer wrongly considered everyone in the old army to be Saddam loyalists.

The Fedayeen Saddam were Saddam loyalists that faught for him during the war. The Army by contrast refused to fight for Saddam during the war.

[ASC2006]

I meant to add “was idiotic” to the end of my first sentance.

[razzle]

I forgot, you are absolutely right. CNN is a completely impartial news outlet. They would never let their left wing opinions creep into their news stories, just ask Ted Turner if you don’t believe me. ha ha.

[DWC]

Are you kidding me. They are biased from the get go. Paronia is all in your perception of their reporting. I take all reporting from everyone with a grain of salt. News people have an agenda and you have to see through it on whatever station.

[ASC2006]

I never said were totally impartial razzle. That is what is called a straw man arguement.

But, you notice when there is positive news to be had in Iraq like during the elections they are there and report on it, when there is bad news to be had like widespread sectarian violence they report on it, and when there is good news to be had like the tribes turning against al-Qaeda they are there to report on it.

[razzle]

“I meant to add “was idiotic” to the end of my first sentance”

you should use spell check as well. (its fought and sentence)

[ASC2006]

“They are biased from the get go.”

Of course they have an agenda, that doesn’t change the fact CNN’s reporting of Iraq has been far better then most news networks like NBC or CBS.

[ASC2006]

CNN is not the enemy razzle. They are and amoral money making news agency that tries far harder to be impartial with their war coverage then most networks.

CNN’s political coverage is a very different story.

[razzle]

“But, you notice when there is positive news to be had in Iraq like during the elections they are there and report on it”

No, I never noticed this. Can’t recall seeing any positive story on CNN, and it is on in all stores and gov’t facilities that I visit (and I visit a lot) since FoxNews is deemed too controversial for them. Can’t recall any stories by CNN about the positive work by Marines and soldiers in Iraq and there is plenty to report.

[razzle]

And don’t get me started on CNN International. Try going overseas and listen to that crap. Anti-American from top to bottom.

[ASC2006]

Then you clearly have’t been watching it, because you are so wrong it is laughable.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4a_1180724545

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1181053613

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b15_1179232516

CNN has had great war coverage this year of the heroes both Iraqi and American and they did a great job reporting on the Awakening of the Sunnis in Anbar and elsewhere.

[ASC2006]

Fox has slipped a great deal in their war coverage this year I have felt. Especially when it comes to reporting the sea change in the Sunni community and the Awakenings across Iraq.

They focus on the US troops which I understand. But, the real change in Iraq is occuing inside the Sunni community itself.

[razzle]

“the sea change in the Sunni community and the Awakenings across Iraq.”

I hope you and CNN are right on this.

[ASC2006]

Ramadi went from 50 attacks today to 0 to 1 attacks per day in one year.

Why?

Because a very effective Sunni police force was stood up in 9 months with the help of the Iraq Salvation Council.

The Sunnis have the vast majority of the brains in Iraq. They know how to build an maintain a police force and Army.

[Sudetenland]

Hey, how do you know maybe it was supposed to be “fraught” and “sin trance” or maybe “caught” and “in France?’ You never know...

[elhombrelibre]

See this link to a CNN report on YouTube and the one below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQDrJs8t388&NR=1

[neocon1984]

If you want to know what’s going on in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East in general, check out Michael Yon, Bill Roggio and Michael Fumento.

They are bloggers and embeds who shoot straight and have no discernable political agenda, except that they want us to win. Yon is also great for news about Lebanon.

Forget about the MSM. They don’t have a clue.

[ASC2006]

I know what is going on in the Middle East I don’t need bloggers to tell me.

I was discussing who was doing a good job telling the US public what is happening in Iraq.

[Retired Greyhound]

yes, it was quite impartial to show footage of America’s bravest being sniped by the enemy./s

Please, give me a break. If CNN had a profit driven agenda, they would be more like FOX.

[sten]

what is wrong with people. get the terminology right. this is not war in iraq. if it were war, we would be carpet bombing everything until only rubble remained.

this is an occupation while setting up a new government.

i guess people don't like the word and think 'war' spins better or something. seriously, there is a massive difference between the two. hell, iraq now is more like parts of chicago or LA... we are just trying to make it better and more stable.

[JennysCool]

You’re right, but I prefer “reconstruction.”

Of course, that word has lots of pesky syllables. It’s easier for the Drive-By types to say “war.”

[ASC2006]

Was it newsworthy to show how enemy snipers are operating? Yes, it was. I had no problems with them showing the video.

My biggest complaints against CNNs war coverage over the past four years was on their coverage of Abu Grieb, the shooting of the insurgent in the mosque in Fallujah, and Hadetha.

[ASC2006]

Make no mistake, because our enemies don’t, this is a war, an asymmetrical war, but a war no less.

[ontap]

I really don’t understand how reporting on a story of Americans putting ladies panties on the heads of prisoners as “torture” while the enemy was beheading innocent civilians was balanced reporting. CNN is an agenda driven organization like all the other MSM. Remember the great reporting of Peter Arnett?

[sten]

so... are we at ‘war’ in newark, nj? compton? detroit? these areas have loads of shootings and various lawlessness. they may not be using IEDs, but they aren’t combating tanks. in some cases, they are just pulling people from their vehicles and dragging them through the streets... seems pretty similar to iraq

[HamiltonJay]

Arab loyalties always go to the most powerful side. Now that our men are actually weeding out the terrorists and sticking around to keep them out, this isn’t exactly suprising.

[razzle]

“Ramadi went from 50 attacks per day to 0 to 1 attacks per day in one year.

Why?”

Because the bad guys are worried sick that tough guy Barack Hussain Obama will REALLY come down on them when he becomes the Commander in Chief. ha ha ha.

[dynoman]

“Arab loyalties always go to the most powerful side. Now that our men are actually weeding out the terrorists and sticking around to keep them out, this isn’t exactly suprising.”

This concerns me too but being an eternal optimist I think that working side by side with actual American soldiers might show these Arabs there is a better way than what they have been doing for the last 1400 years.

We really want to give them something better, I hope they can see that and choose what is better for themselves. If they can be honest and do that, we win, big time.

[bray]

The Surge is Working...Bigtime.
At this rate the DNC will start fighting Al Queda??

Pray for W and Our Troops

[april15Bendovr]

Now we can add CBS

CBS: Baathist insurgents fighting together with US troops

CBS reports Baathist insurgents and Sunni nationalists are fighting al-Qaeda together with US forces

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bdc_1181357307

[bray]

My neighbor just deployed to Ramadi. He says the kids are beginning to play with them now.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[april15Bendovr]

The Tide is turning

[april15Bendovr]

Ex-insurgents fight Al-Qaeda

American form uneasy alliance with former insurgents in Iraq - to battle Al-Qaeda.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a4_1181324598

[april15Bendovr]

Same Youtube video is also on LiveLeak I should say.

[sgtyork]

You simply are not reading enough. The bias of CNN is quite well documented on a daily basis.

http://newsbusters.org/

Bias by Bernie Goldberg

http://www.conservativebookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=C5866

[Polybius]

Sorry, but I don’t buy this paranoid crap some people have about CNN. They are reporting the war better this year because the war is going much better, they reported the war negatively last year because it was going quite badly by anyones measure.

Thank you for explaining that to us.

If you had not pointed out that CNN reports only the truth, some of us might have remained under the impression that CNN reports what CNN believes is best for the CNN agenda.

CNN's Iraqi Cover-Up ...... CNN admits that knowledge of murder, torture, and planned assassinations were suppressed in order to maintain CNN's Baghdad bureau........... In a shocking New York Times opinion piece, CNN's chief news executive Eason Jordan has admitted that for the past decade the network has systematically covered up stories of Iraqi atrocities. Reports of murder, torture, and planned assassinations were suppressed in order to maintain CNN's Baghdad bureau. ......... Some of the most damning evidence against CNN comes from a Washington Times op-ed by Peter Collins ("Corruption at CNN - April 15, 2003......Collins briefly worked for the network in Baghdad and sat in on talks involving executives Eason Jordan and Tom Johnson, who were trying to negotiate an exclusive interview with Saddam Hussein: ..... "The day after one such meeting, I was on the roof of the Ministry of Information, preparing for my first 'live shot' on CNN. A producer came up and handed me a sheet of paper with handwritten notes. 'Tom Johnson wants you to read this on camera,' he said. I glanced at the paper. It was an item-by-item summary of points made by Information Minister Latif Jassim in an interview that morning with Mr. Johnson and Mr. Jordan. ..... "The list was so long that there was no time during the live shot to provide context. I read the information minister's points verbatim. Moments later, I was downstairs in the newsroom on the first floor of the Information Ministry. Mr. Johnson approached, having seen my performance on a TV monitor. 'You were a bit flat there, Peter,' he said. Again, I was astonished. The president of CNN was telling me I seemed less-than-enthusiastic reading Saddam Hussein's propaganda."

[ASC2006]

I never said CNN reports the ‘truth’. The truth when it comes to Iraq is quote subjective.

I seem to recall CNN reporting the administations claims on Iraq fairly uncritically in the run up to war and I am not just talking about when it comes to WMDs.

[Polybius]

“They are biased from the get go.”.... DWC

Of course they have an agenda, that doesn’t change the fact CNN’s reporting of Iraq has been far better then most news networks like NBC or CBS. .... ASC2006

You mean CNN is now "better" as in: CNN is no longer telling it's Baghdad correpondents to read Saddam Hussein's talking points verbatim on live CNN coverage in order to be rewarded with favors from Saddam Hussein's regime?

Some of the most damning evidence against CNN comes from a Washington Times op-ed by Peter Collins ("Corruption at CNN - April 15, 2003 - http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030415-91009640.htm). Collins briefly worked for the network in Baghdad and sat in on talks involving executives Eason Jordan and Tom Johnson, who were trying to negotiate an exclusive interview with Saddam Hussein: ..... "The day after one such meeting, I was on the roof of the Ministry of Information, preparing for my first 'live shot' on CNN. A producer came up and handed me a sheet of paper with handwritten notes. 'Tom Johnson wants you to read this on camera,' he said. I glanced at the paper. It was an item-by-item summary of points made by Information Minister Latif Jassim in an interview that morning with Mr. Johnson and Mr. Jordan. ..... "The list was so long that there was no time during the live shot to provide context. I read the information minister's points verbatim. Moments later, I was downstairs in the newsroom on the first floor of the Information Ministry. Mr. Johnson approached, having seen my performance on a TV monitor. 'You were a bit flat there, Peter,' he said. Again, I was astonished. The president of CNN was telling me I seemed less-than-enthusiastic reading Saddam Hussein's propaganda."

Maybe the U.S. Government has learned that CNN is and always has been for sale like a cheap whore and is now paying the whore like Saddam Hussein once paid the whore.

Maybe NBC or CBS have an anti-American political agenda that is not for sale.

So which is "better"?

The traitors or the whore?

[ASC2006]

Avoiding talking about some things you see in Iraq that would get your news network kicked out so they will never get to see anything else is not reporting Saddam’s talking points verbatium.

Unlike you I remember all too clearly their early coverage of this Iraq War as well as the 1998 bombing of Iraq and both times it was very anti Saddam and pro-American.

[razzle]

Excellent post.

[petercooper]

bttt

[Polybius]

I seem to recall CNN reporting the administations claims on Iraq fairly uncritically in the run up to war and I am not just talking about when it comes to WMDs.

Yep.

CNN knew that the whore house was going to be under new management pretty soon.

If al Qaeda takes over Iraq, CNN will be having its correspondents reading Osama bin Ladin's talking points live from the roof of the Information Ministry in order to maintain its Baghdad Bureau rights.

[sgtyork]

Your memory is faulty.

CNN’s Eason Jordan admitted that they did not tell the truth about Iraq while Saddam was in power.

...awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff. ...

....I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein’s regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely. ....

http://essaysfromexodus.scripting.com/stories/storyReader$1991

They softpedaled the evil nature of Iraq and were clearly not anti-Sadam. If you don’t care about getting the truth in your news, why don’t you read and post somewhere else?

[ASC2006]