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Muslim hardliners storm Indonesia church
AFP via Yahoo News ^ | June 4, 2007

Posted on 06/04/2007 5:25:41 AM PDT by siunevada

JAKARTA (AFP) - Muslim hardliners stormed a church in Indonesia during services, smashing images of Jesus Christ and demanding that it be closed down, the pastor said on Monday.

Dozens of churches have had to be closed in the Muslim-majority country in recent years, and Sunday's attack was the second on the small Protestant church in the West Java town of Soreang since 2005.

Reverend Robby Elisa, who heads the church, said around 100 hardliners attacked while Sunday school was in session. He said his wife was beaten and that at least four stained glass depictions of Jesus were smashed.

"They came and forced their way into the church," he said. "The attackers claimed to be from the Anti-Apostate Movement Alliance. The same group had already attacked the church in 2005."

The secretary of the church's headquarters in Jakarta, Reverend Budi Setiawan, said that the attack had been reported to the Indonesian Church Association (PGI).

West Java, where Islam is strong, has seen a series of attacks on churches to force their closure.

The Jakarta Post newspaper said that more than 30 churches have had to close their door in West Java since 2004 because of attacks by Muslim hardliners. Dozens of churches have also been forced to close in other provinces, it said.

According to a current decree by the religious affairs ministry, houses of worship must obtain the approval of at least 60 percent of local residents and have at least 90 followers to be able to operated.

Elisa said that his church was small and only had a congregation of some 20 adults and 40 children and teenagers.

"Where else can we go? We are too far from the city and our congregation needs a place to worship," Elisa said.

The district police chief could not be immediately reached for comment, and the officer on duty at the district police declined to comment.

Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim-majority nation with over 90 percent of its 220 million people adherents of Islam.

Although the constitution gives all religions equal footing, laws make it difficult for religions other than Islam to establish houses of worship.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: asia; christianity; indonesia; islam; islamicviolence; muslims; muslimviolence; seasia; southeastasia
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ROP?

Religion of Psychopaths.

1 posted on 06/04/2007 5:25:42 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: siunevada; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; ...

ping.


2 posted on 06/04/2007 5:26:46 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: siunevada

I think it’s well past time we return the favor.


3 posted on 06/04/2007 5:27:05 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: siunevada

The Christians shouldn’t have had images of God there to be smashed.


4 posted on 06/04/2007 5:27:38 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: siunevada
Our new ambassador just delivered a glowing report on Indonesia's progress...

Im not so sure.

Challenges Ahead For Cameron Hume

5 posted on 06/04/2007 5:28:42 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: RightOnline
That definitely isn't the Christian way. If you're an atheist or other non-Christian, that could be a course of action. Christians are able to fight in defense--other actions are to be done by governments.
6 posted on 06/04/2007 5:29:58 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: siunevada

BLOODY SAVAGES!!

):^(


7 posted on 06/04/2007 5:29:59 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
...the Christians shouldn’t have had images of God there to be smashed...

Where does the story mention 'images of God'?

8 posted on 06/04/2007 5:30:49 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

How do you figure? (I’m almost reluctant to ask...)


9 posted on 06/04/2007 5:31:07 AM PDT by gridlock (Fred Dalton Thompson will be the Next President of the United States)
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To: siunevada
"Where else can we go? We are too far from the city and our congregation needs a place to worship," Elisa said.

Wherever two or more are gathered in my name........ Matthew 18:20 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

10 posted on 06/04/2007 5:31:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
...if you're an atheist or other non-Christian, that could be a course of action...

Right.

Spent much time, in West Java?

11 posted on 06/04/2007 5:32:43 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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To: siunevada

Funny. A liberal jackass was telling me just last night that the only reason these Islamofascists are attacking us is because we attack them, that we’re in their countries. We antagonize them.

Well, I guess he’s right. As long as we exist and we don’t agree with them, we antagonize them and should expect to be killed by them. Of course, I prefer the other plan.


12 posted on 06/04/2007 5:34:08 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: siunevada

Satan’s foot-soldiers doing what they have been doing forever.


13 posted on 06/04/2007 5:40:22 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: gridlock
As long as your question was (polite--it seems to be polite enough), don't be reluctant to ask.

Because of the commandment to not make graven images of God (one of the Ten Commandments). You can extrapolate that images of God in general should not be made.

14 posted on 06/04/2007 5:43:00 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Line three, at the end.


15 posted on 06/04/2007 5:44:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Christians shouldn’t have had images of God there to be smashed.

Why not?

Please remember that idolatry is the literal worship of idols - the belief that a given statue or graven image is a literal god, to be propitiated and feared. I hope you're not suggesting that Christians with statues or crucifixes in their churches literally believe that these are their gods.

16 posted on 06/04/2007 5:45:22 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Because of the commandment to not make graven images of God (one of the Ten Commandments). You can extrapolate that images of God in general should not be made.

No. The commandment is that "Thou shalt not bow down and worship them"

17 posted on 06/04/2007 5:47:44 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: siunevada

Indonesia : another nuc target?


18 posted on 06/04/2007 5:48:30 AM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Why is that relevant? (rhetorical--it isn't).

You could be in the middle of radical Islam (or other un-Christian) central, and you still wouldn't be in the right to attack Muslims unless it was for defense.

Given that you're Australian, there's a higher chance that you are Roman Catholic (which would explain your earlier comment). In the Bible, there is a clear case that can be used as analogous to this situation. Christians in the Roman Empire were being persecuted by the Romans. Some Christians contemplated uprising. Instead, they were exhorted to not uprise--the Roman government was the one sanctioned by God. All governments rule because God lets them rule.

Christians aren't supposed to respond to injustices tit for tat.

Bible verse link.

Also, vengeance is God's. Christians shouldn't comport themselves in a vindictive behavior (obviously Christians are fallible).


Hopefully, you read this.
19 posted on 06/04/2007 5:57:00 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: siunevada

I really wish those naughty Christians wouldn’t provoke the peace loving muslims so.


20 posted on 06/04/2007 6:05:17 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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