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Washington diary: Land of ideas
BBC ^ | Wednesday, May 2, 2007 | Matt Frei

Posted on 05/02/2007 4:40:40 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

US flag and statue of liberty model
How many ideas has the US allowed to flourish that would otherwise have withered on the vine?

I am happy to report to you that the Oxford Union, in its infinite wisdom, has allowed America to continue existing.

After a raucous debate in front of a packed house, the motion - "this House regrets the Founding of America" - was overwhelmingly squashed.

My colleague Jonah Goldberg, from the National Review, made a witty and punchy case for the birthright of America, lambasting the Union for a motion that "sounded like a bad joke".

Peter Rodman, a former US assistant secretary of defence, entered the fray with patrician aplomb and, for what it's worth, this was some of my contribution to joust for the country where I keep my toothbrush and pay my taxes:

It is very easy to find Americans who disagree with its current direction. But you'll be hard pressed to come across those who regret its very existence in a fit of collective self-annihilation. The confusion of one with the other strikes me as the fundamental flaw of this motion.

Let's say you didn't need to regret the founding of America, because it had never been founded. How different might our lives look? We would not be listening to George Bush's fluent Texan. We would never have had the benefit of Donald Rumsfeld one-liners or clogged our arteries on a Big Mac.

But what music would we be listening to on our iPods? Would it be German marching songs or Russian ballads? Would we even have an iPod?

Yes, the beloved iPod was designed by a British citizen, Jonathan Ive, a son of Chingford, Essex. But would his design have changed the world of music if it hadn't been for Apple, an American company, based in Cupertino, California?

Freedom to dream

So much for iPods... what about ideas? How different would the world be without the Bill of Rights? What about Thomas Jefferson?

The Sopranos

It's hard to imagine life without TV series like the Sopranos

The Declaration of Independence was the quintessential treatise of self-determination. If America had never been founded it would have remained unwritten. And who can imagine life without the Dumb Waiter, another Jefferson innovation?

The list goes on and on (and I apologise for any omissions): Thomas Edison, who had 1,093 patents for inventions in his name; Henry Ford; the Wright brothers; Bill Gates; the Boeing corporation; Desperate Housewives; The Sopranos and, of course, SpongeBob SquarePants.

As a TV correspondent, I would be out of a job. The television was invented over decades by a German, a Brit and a Russian but their ideas all came together in the middle of Middle America.

The United States created an environment in which inventive minds had access to easy credit, a willing market and the freedom to dream and create without fear of prosecution or recrimination.

As the writer and poet John Ciardi put it: "The Constitution gives every American the inalienable right to make a damn fool of himself"!

Europe's offspring

If we regret the founding of the US we regret a thoroughly European creation. If George III hadn't been as mad as a hatter, if the Redcoats had been more in touch with the feelings of His Majesty's subjects in the colonies, the English colony of Jamestown might never have given way to Yorktown, where 174 years later the English crown was finally defeated in the War of Independence.

Bill Clinton

There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America


Bill Clinton

To be against the founding of America is not to be original but to continue a long line of misguided bigots who always resented the birth of the US. In the late 18th Century, the eminent Dutch scientist Cornelius De Pauw wrote that everything from America was "either degenerate or monstrous". He was considered the foremost expert on the New World of his time and, like many critics of America, he never went there once.

Then there's the Oscar Wilde quip, plagiarised by former French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau: "America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation". Anti-Americanism is as old as America and it continues to miss the point.

America did not come from nowhere. It was an offspring of Europe, the step-child of a corrupt, moribund post-feudal system. America encapsulated the principles of the Enlightenment - Liberty, Equality, Fraternity - wrapped them in the pursuit of happiness, underpinned them with an inalienable right and turned an IDEA into a country.

It took the missteps of the French and the English revolutions and it made them work.

Yes, there were terrible mistakes - the gross hypocrisy of slavery, segregation and McCarthyism, to name a few. But America found and keeps finding the solutions to its mistakes. It is a giant, rolling social experiment in constant pursuit of self-correction. As Bill Clinton once said: "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America."

In America the idea was ragged, rough and imperfect but it kept growing, it kept evolving and, if this isn't a vote of confidence, it kept attracting people, millions of them - Dutch pilgrims, Russian Jews, persecuted Egyptians, hungry Mexicans, uprooted Kurds, homeless Armenians, unloved and underpaid British film stars, now luxuriating in Hollywood. Ask them if they regret the founding of America!

Real promise

The US is a nation built not on ethnicity, not on religion, not even on history but on an idea.

Barbed wire at Guantanamo Bay

Many Americans see Guantanamo detentions as a big mistake

Not only does this make America different, I would argue it also makes it ideally suited for the 21st Century. We live in a globalised world in which national boundaries are less and less relevant and the citizenship of ideas is more and more defining.

Al-Qaeda also strives for a world without borders, a trans-national entity based on ideas, which a majority of Muslims find as unpalatable as we do. So, ask yourself and be honest: where would you rather live - the Caliphate or California?

We Europeans created America and to regret this is to engage in a colossal act of self-denial verging on self-mutilation. We have a stake in its survival and its success and we ought to nurture it, not bring it to its knees or delight in its misfortunes. We can criticise its leaders without regretting its existence.

The reality of America may be vexing, frustrating, infuriating and puzzling but its promise is no less real and, given the right voice, should be no less inspiring.

Guantanamo Bay, the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and yes, so many aspects of the war in Iraq, were big mistakes. But these are aspects of current foreign policy, not part of the nation's DNA. They are lamented as much inside the US as outside. And that too speaks for America!

To quote the Harvard political scientist Samuel Huntington: "America is not a lie; it is a disappointment." But what is worse than being disappointed? It is not even to know what you're missing.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; civilization; culture; reputation
Deeeeecent piece. Suppose.

It doesn't criticize the Bush administration that much, but nor is it overly flattering and "kiss-uppy." (It does seem to tend toward both, though).

The part about "Europe's offspring," and especially that Europe has a stake in the United States' future, is somewhat a thing to brindle at--personally. View on that is that Europe's--and more specifically England and the rest of the British Isles--and the United States' cultures are analogous (to an extent) to a plant. American culture came from a seed that sprung forth from the European/English plant. However, as is the case with plants, as the new plant begins to grow, the seed shrinks and withers until all that remains is a husk of the original seed. And then that husk either disintegrated, gets blown or washed away if exposed, etc. While the new plant originated from that old plant, it grows into its own plant by drawing resources from the soil, water from it's new home, air from it's own location. Not only is it independent from its parent plant, but it is primarily composed of "foreign" material, not material from the original plant. Similarly, though the United States may have come from Europe, this culture and civilization will become more and more independent from Europe as it draws useful parts from the cultures of its immigrants all around the world, along with making use of new cultural aspects (new things can be added to culture) that are native, and--as has already been done in some areas--from Amerindian tribes who are within the United States.


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*You can use the plant analogy and argue that the new plant still gets its genetic code (and the code which it will pass on should it reproduce) from the parent plant, and so American culture will still be a European or "Western" culture--personally not going to, though. And the "Europe is the parent country" and "Vive l'Europe" and "there are familial ties between the United States and England/UK/Europe" sentiments are repugnant.

1 posted on 05/02/2007 4:40:42 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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Did any other freeper read this?
2 posted on 05/03/2007 9:15:06 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Did any other freeper read this?

Not if the posting police have any say in it.

Just saying.

3 posted on 05/03/2007 9:50:23 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I did. I was mostly interested that they even had this debate, but I'm so glad to hear we have the Oxford Union's approval.

I do agree somewhat that the United States is not, by nature, analogous to Europe. However, our language, culture, and political heritage are primarily rooted in European tradition, and it would be a mistake to discount that. The principles upon which our republic was founded are largely informed by Greco-Roman traditions, the thinkers of the Enlightenment, Germanic concepts of individual liberty, and European Protestant Christianity. They are principles that are largely absent in non-Western cultures.

That said, the United States was founded by and is largely peopled by the descendants of those who fled Europe and its poverty and tyranny. It's nothing they should be especially proud of.
4 posted on 05/03/2007 10:03:33 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Thompson/Franks '08)
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