Posted on 05/01/2007 9:46:57 PM PDT by neverdem
I canât see how non judicial information can be held against a person without some appeal process. Suppose someone is placed against their will in a psychiatric facility and the doc finds that their placement there wasnât appropriate; are they still going to be disallowed their 2nd amendment right? Can they appeal the decision? Will all mentally disabled people have to be registered? Boy, this adds up to a real big brother computer, and I donât support it. Freedom sometimes requires that people die in war; unfortunately, sometimes civilians will have to die in the peaceâotherwise freedom itself may become the first casualty.
I first read that as “Restricting Gum Buyers.”
I was like WTF!?!
I will now take that as a sign that I need to go to bed :-)
So the liberals are going to argue that public safety (supposed) trumps privacy laws.
Hmmmmmm.
Only when used against the vast right wing conspiracy, not the adherents of TROP, who are reported to not discriminate. All infidels must suffer dhimmitude or worse.
Feinsteins Cardinal shenanigans [caught in huge financial corruption scam]
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Luv it when they call something an “effort”.
Sounds so freakin noble.
AFAIK, "involuntary commitment" DOES, in most states, involve some or other judicial process.
Why even read the NY Slimes? Isn’t there a paper out there with CREDIBILITY?
Y'know, if they're not stable enough to be trusted with a firearms purchase, they're probably not mentally stable enough to make an informed decision about an abortion, either, another decision upon which innocent life depends.... Surely it's no great inconvenience for those wanting an abortion to show proper identification and sign the abortion registry, wait for clearance from the National Instant-Check system, and then go about the business of their procedure.
Why, if it saved the life of one innocent child, or the mental health of even one unbalanced mother, it'd be worth it....
Good point! Thanks.
In California a police officer can place a person against their will into a psychiatric facility for 72 hours if the officer believes that the person is a danger to himself or others. After the 72 hours, a doctor’s evaluation is required to extend the hold. There is no appeal process. When should the person be listed as incompetent to own/possess a firearm? Are there any statistics of stature that actually show that people placed in mental institutes are thereafter incompetent around firearms, or are we continuing a thread of mass hysteria here?
Hasn’t the left historically used “treatment” as a means of coercion?
I wouldn't limit it to just treatment. That's why there's so much resistance just to a diagnosis being made public.
Thanks for the ping!
"Adjudicated" means that there was a legal process and that this isn't non-judicial information. It has never been the tradition in the US that mental defectives have rights under the 2nd Amendment. (Ann Coulter thinks that mental defectives shouldn't have 1st Amendment rights either; but how could we make fun of liberals if they aren't allowed to say anything?)
I’m with you. I’m very disappointed in the NRA and gun-rights advocates like Larry Craig who are supporting this piece of garbage. They should know by now that Carolyn McCarthy and Up-chuck Schumer are not our friends! They may claim, for now, that their bills apply only to people commited involuntarily and not to those who seek help on their own, but anyone who cares about the 2nd Amendment should know that it won’t stop there.
More importantly, government tentacles do not belong in our medical records, period! Anyone deemed a threat to self or others should be hospitalized for the duration of the condition. People who are treated successfully, or whose mental “defect” is not likely to cause violence, have the same constitutional right to self-defense as you and I.
The horror of the VT incident is undeniable, but it should not be used as an excuse to revoke parts of the Constitution. AFter all, the massacre might have been prevented if all college students, Asian-Americans, or males were prohibited from gun-ownership, but is that the way to go?
What are the factual errors in this story?
Why would anyone want to remain ignorant of what the enemy thinks?
A recent "Frontline" story on PBS about the decline of the old "drive by media" and their supposed replacement by the "new" media made the point that 90 - 95 of the primary news stories still originate in the "drive by media." Even the Washington Times and the NY Sun carry wire service stories. If only that those papers had the resources of the NY Times, I'd check them more often.
The NRA doesn’t support this crap. They know we’re on the losing end of this and it’s better to get involved instead of sitting on the sidelines.
Gee, sitting on the sidelines. Just what gun group does that remind me of? -S-
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