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Gun measure inches forward in Congress
Politico.com ^ | April. 21, 2007 | Josephine Hearn

Posted on 04/21/2007 8:52:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man

In the week after the shootings at Virginia Tech, Congress is inching toward a legislative response, with an unlikely pair of lawmakers teaming up to push a bill to strengthen background checks to prevent the mentally ill and some others from buying guns.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, (D-N.Y.), whose husband was killed and son seriously wounded by a gunman on a Long Island commuter train in 1993, has enlisted the aid of an unabashed backer of gun rights and former board member of the National Rifle Association, Rep. John Dingell, (D-Mich.).

“John Dingell is Mr. NRA,” McCarthy said. As she drafted the legislation, she said, she knew his support would be pivotal. “You ask yourself, ‘Who am I going to need to help me on the gun issue?’’’ she explained. “I gave it to John Dingell.”

The measure aims to improve the quality of data in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by giving the states money to update the system and instituting penalties when they do not.

In the case of the Virginia Tech gunman, Cho Seung Hui, a background check did not reveal a 2005 court ruling ordering him into treatment for mental illness. The order should have made him ineligible to buy the two handguns he used in the shootings.

Dingell is an unlikely ally for McCarthy, since he received an “A+” rating and an endorsement from the NRA last year. But McCarthy’s measure is a relatively small change, seeking only to strengthen the enforcement of existing laws and improve the background-check process.

“He came back and actually liked it. I was looking at how we save lives, and Mr. Dingell liked it because it resulted in a faster background check,” McCarthy said.

“We both want the system to work,” Dingell said.

But even with Dingell’s help, action on the bill or on any other gun-control measure will be slow, a House Democratic aide said, not for at least “a couple of weeks.”

McCarthy said she expected a companion bill to be introduced soon in the Senate, most likely by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Though action on the bill would be a modest response to Monday’s rampage by a mentally ill student, lawmakers concede it’s the only measure likely to pass in a Congress with many strong advocates of gun rights.

“It’s clear to everybody that the votes are not there for strong gun control,” said Rep. Bobby Scott, (D-Va.), who chairs the House Judiciary subcommittee that handles gun control legislation. “You have the Congress you have, so you do what you can.”

Nearly all lawmakers take a position on gun control, even before they are elected, making the fate of many gun measures a forgone conclusion.

But the deadly Virginia Tech shootings have put some members in an uncomfortable position. Democratic Rep. Rick Boucher, for instance, has Virginia Tech in his congressional district. And he also received an “A+” rating last year from the NRA.

“Do you want to talk about guns?” he asked Friday when approached by a reporter. “I’m not going to talk about that until next week. OK?”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 04/21/2007 8:52:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Don't trust anything that McCarthy gal wants to do. She's incredibly stupid. Her husband was killed years ago in a gunfree zone by a madman and she's just now figuring out that something needs to be done about the madman and not the possibility some other passenger might possess a gun for self-defense.

The woman is a fetid swamp of freverish hallucinations.

2 posted on 04/21/2007 8:56:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Reagan Man

—since I don’t trust Congress, Dingell or the Bush Administation on this, let’s hope we load it upfront with something like universal concealed-weapons permit reciprocity also—just like the enemy does-—


3 posted on 04/21/2007 8:57:28 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Reagan Man
Does she actually know what this bill bans cause she didn't last time..Tucker humiliated her and when you let Tucker do it to ya thats just sad
4 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:14 AM PDT by skaterboy
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To: rellimpank

Excellent idea...give it to the NRA, GOA etc


5 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:28 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Reagan Man
an unlikely pair of lawmakers teaming up to push a bill to strengthen background checks

Unlikely? More like the usual.
6 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:47 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Reagan Man
Any “gun-control” bill pushed by any democrat carries with it a certain putrid stench....details?
7 posted on 04/21/2007 9:05:48 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: P-40
The McCarthy-Dingell “Our Lady of Peace Act”

HR 4757, the Our Lady of Peace Act, was introduced in the 107th Congress by Representatives Carolyn McCarthy and John Dingell in May 2002

http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/mccarthydingell.htm
8 posted on 04/21/2007 9:07:07 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Reagan Man

A RAT is never MR NRA. Not possible.


9 posted on 04/21/2007 9:11:03 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Reagan Man

The lowly opportunists trying to push gun control are exploiting grief at VT. They are shameless.


10 posted on 04/21/2007 9:13:36 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Reagan Man
In the week after the shootings at Virginia Tech, Congress is inching toward a legislative response, with an unlikely pair of lawmakers teaming up to push a bill to strengthen background checks to prevent the mentally ill and some others from buying guns.

And who are these "others"?
11 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: vpintheak

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy - but not for the NRA it seems...


12 posted on 04/21/2007 9:16:45 AM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: P-40
It passed the Republican House and the Senate never acted on it. What it does is force the States to forward to the feds info that is relevant to fed disqualifiers under 18USC922, so it can be entered into the NICS dbase. Right now that is voluntary.

VA doesn't volunteer info, as requested per 28CFR25.4, to the DOJ, for entry into the NICS dbase. Had they done so, Cho's court record would have shown up, and the firearm transactions he attempted would have been denied.

13 posted on 04/21/2007 9:17:32 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Reagan Man

Let’s get real, folks. No one sane can be against measures to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable whackjobs. Even the Constitution has certain assumptions, and sanity is one of them. Yes, we then need to be wary of government abusing the proces by which people are declared insane, but not as wary as we need to be of armed crazy people.


14 posted on 04/21/2007 9:21:59 AM PDT by Nick Danger (www.vvlf.org)
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To: Reagan Man
Even if this cretin had been committed to the looney bin, and his name was flagged in the NICS, what would've stopped him from buying illegally the moment he was released? The only answer to this problem is to do away with "Gun Free Zones", and allow CCW holders to protect themselves and others. If just one or two students had been armed, and had the guts to stand and fight, this situation would've been much different, and McCarthy would've been exposed as a stammering, stuttering idiot.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

15 posted on 04/21/2007 9:29:14 AM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe, is it time yet?)
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To: Nick Danger
True. I am as pro gun, and anti gun grabber, as it is possible to be. But I know several people who should *NOT* be allowed to have a firearm. Absolutely not even let near one.

I can also understand - not AGREE with, but understand- how someone who lives in a densely populated city is skeptical about allowing folks to have high capacity semi automatic firearms that shoot projectiles that can travel for miles and/or go right through walls. In large areas of NY or SF it would be pretty darn hard to fire more than two shots without your bullets going somewhere they really shouldn’t (of course I believe that the solution is education, not prohibition)

I had a neighbor across the street, not a very bright bulb in several ways, who regarded his .30-’06 bolt action as an appropriate home defense weapon. Now I like a good deer rifle as much as any red blooded American male, but having an idiot 30 yards away who is both drunk and stupid enough to try to shoot his cheating girlfriend with it gives me a little insight into some of the fears the gun grabbers play on.
“Fearful people do stupid things” as a bumper sticker I say yesterday said.

16 posted on 04/21/2007 9:36:48 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: Reagan Man

****“John Dingell is Mr. NRA,” McCarthy said. As she drafted the legislation, she said, she knew his support would be pivotal. “You ask yourself, ‘Who am I going to need to help me on the gun issue?’’’ she explained. “I gave it to John Dingell.”****

And lets all remember that JOHN DINGELL resigned his position on the NRA board of directors so he could vote FOR Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban.

NEVER FORGET IT!


17 posted on 04/21/2007 9:41:05 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: vpintheak

Yes it is. Dingel is very good on Second Amendment issues. He’s a RAT in everything else.


18 posted on 04/21/2007 9:44:18 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Reagan Man
I have no problem with keeping the guns away from mental cases, but if you want to see what else McCarthy is up to, you should take a look at H.R. 1022, the “Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007”. Also go to this page and you can see all the co sponsors of that bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01022:@@@P

20 posted on 04/21/2007 9:47:39 AM PDT by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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