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--they never learn--(--politicians, that is--)
1 posted on 04/16/2007 6:06:26 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Good. Now non-smokers can experience pain of withdrawals.


2 posted on 04/16/2007 6:10:19 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: rellimpank

Who did not see this coming?


3 posted on 04/16/2007 6:10:41 AM PDT by outofstyle
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But they’re saving money by the bucketfulls in healthcare expenses, right???


5 posted on 04/16/2007 6:13:24 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: rellimpank

I guess they must have cut the courses that discussed price elasticity. Remember, dear “progressives”, what you subsidize you will get more of and what you tax you will get less. If the taxed smokers can purchase their sticks elsewhere or on the internet, then you are experiencing a very good lesson.


6 posted on 04/16/2007 6:13:40 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: rellimpank

I hae long thought that the state governments were becoming so addicted to tobacco tax money that when people started to quit in enough numbers they would start ad campaigns to encourage smoking to keep up revenue.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 6:14:30 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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They added the tax to stop people from smoking. People did and now they say they are losing money - how can that be since they said it would make money due to the decrease in medical costs as well.

Was there no reduction in medical costs? How come?


8 posted on 04/16/2007 6:15:09 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: rellimpank

Textbook case of a “duh!” moment.


9 posted on 04/16/2007 6:15:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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Effective Jan. 1, the state tax increased by $1 for a 20-stick pack of cigarettes and by $1.25 for a 25-cigarette pack. The tax on all other items, such as cigars and chewing tobacco, jumped...

I swear, there are times when I think organized crime was/is behind these tax increases. You may smile, but think about it a minute -- they're the only ones whoever profit from this. And,boy, do they profit!

10 posted on 04/16/2007 6:16:21 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: rellimpank; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

Nanny State PING!

The law of unintended consequences.........


11 posted on 04/16/2007 6:16:51 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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They actually thought it would last forever. They demanded more and more, made smokers more and more isolated and yet the morons thought it could last forever. LOL


12 posted on 04/16/2007 6:17:52 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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I would bet people are purchasing their smoking material from sources out of state. You can find tobacconists on the Internet that ship their product to customers all over the country.
15 posted on 04/16/2007 6:22:42 AM PDT by BluH2o
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...Compels one to want to smuggle Havanas.


17 posted on 04/16/2007 6:24:58 AM PDT by onedoug
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Make them illegal and then listen to the politicians. Stupid bass turds.


18 posted on 04/16/2007 6:27:43 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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Here is a hint for Mr. Napoli. The taxes on cigs are now so high that folks are smuggling them in from NC a hundred different ways. My cousin is with the 82d at Fort Bragg, and everytime he's back to New England he drives a few cases of Marlboro's back with him. It is fairly typical of all the guys in his unit.

I don't need to tell you that the truckers are doing the same thing.

20 posted on 04/16/2007 6:28:24 AM PDT by MSF BU
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It’s not the $$$, it’s the “feel good”. (ya wantted some one f—
ked, congratulations! Your it.)


23 posted on 04/16/2007 6:32:44 AM PDT by Waco
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

There will come a time when taxes are raised across the board because the "sin" taxes have done their job and made people either quit or turn to nontaxable sources, and THEN we will hear the anti-smokers squeal like the pigs they are.

24 posted on 04/16/2007 6:32:56 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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Why don’t they raise the taxes even more? That should solve the problem. </sarc>


28 posted on 04/16/2007 6:48:57 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: rellimpank

But that’s what they wanted!


34 posted on 04/16/2007 1:24:46 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: rellimpank; Thrownatbirth; outofstyle; Living Free in NH; JoeSixPack1; yankeedame; McGavin999; ...

I’m sure I’m not coming down off the mountain with the tablets here and the thought has occurred to all of us...

Somebody else is going to be REALLY, REALLY PISSED at the end of the day.

Smokers are already REALLY, REALLY PISSED that we are persecuted, shamed, and dehumanized in the name of the “public good”.

File this under Schadenfreude. Flip a coin, and unless it lands on its side, you can guarantee that one of 2 things will happen as a result of the Tobacco Control experiment:

They ban smoking everywhere and raise cigarette taxes in order to coerce smokers to quit. Whatever the result, some smug people will get their comeuppance. Either:

A. The TC experiment is successful and smoking rates drop from 25% to below the 10% goal of TC advocates...in which case the stupid part time State legislators/Realtors and their state treasury will see a huge decline in revenue due to all of the smokers who quit. The tobacco revenue bonds that were floated and the programs that relied on tobacco revenue will be sucking wind and they will have to raid the teacher’s pension fund to come up with the money. The state will be REALLY, REALLY PISSED (they thought asking smokers to fork over an extra buck or step outside for a smoke was about public health and golly gee, lives would be saved)Or

B. The Social Engineering experiment fails and smoking rates do not decline. In which case the Tobacco Control people will be REALLY, REALLY PISSED. They couldn’t care less whether people are annoyed by smoke and they know damn well their SHS argument doesn’t even pass the laugh test.

I guess the moral of the story is...

One of these groups is going to be REALLY, REALLY PISSED. I don’t know which one, but it’s a zero sum game. Somebody will lose.


36 posted on 04/16/2007 6:21:53 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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