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Life Lessons for Rudy
National Review ^ | April 6, 2007 | NR Editors

Posted on 04/06/2007 10:20:13 AM PDT by Kuksool

When Rudolph Giuliani announced his entry into the race for president, we noted that there were reasons to find his candidacy both compelling and problematic. In the latter category fell, above all, his denial that unborn children have a right to life. Even on that issue, however, we held out hope that Giuliani would try to meet pro-life conservatives halfway. He had already come around on partial-birth abortion, even if he had not come up with a good explanation for his shift. He had said that he favors “strict constructionist” judges, who attempt to determine what the law is rather than to make it what they think it should be. We hoped that he would go further: for example, by joining President Bush in declaring Roe v. Wade a bad decision as a matter of constitutional law, or even by joining Sen. John McCain in calling for its overturning.

Instead, we are sorry to say, he has mostly gone into reverse. Since his announcement, he has said that, in his mind, a strict constructionist judge could as easily rule to keep Roe as to scrap it. He has continued to misrepresent pro-lifers as seeking to throw pregnant women “in jail.” He has refused to rule out signing federal legislation codifying Roe should it be presented to him as president. And, most troublingly, has reiterated his longstanding support for taxpayer funding for abortion.

This is not a moderate position. We are already almost alone in the developed world in having such liberal abortion laws: Thanks to some of the little-known implications of Roe, abortion is legal at any stage of pregnancy for essentially any reason. Giuliani favors, in principle, making that regime more liberal still. Economist Michael New has studied the effect of various policies on abortion rates and concluded that nothing has reduced them more than cutoffs in public funding. We can therefore assume that an America with Giuliani’s favored policies would be a country with more abortion—probably reversing the 15-year trend of decline, including the decline in New York City for which he takes dubious credit.

The last Republican president to favor legal abortion was the late Gerald Ford, and even he did not support taxpayer funding. Every Republican president and presidential nominee since then has favored legal protection for unborn life. Neither morality nor opinion polls suggest any reason to do a 180-degree turn now. Support for taxpayer funding of abortion is a minority position. Seventeen states provide taxpayer funding for abortion, all but four of them under judicial compulsion.

The mayor’s rationale for abortion funding is bizarre. Putting his statements together and reading them as charitably as possible, his argument is that so long as the Supreme Court says abortion is a constitutional right state governments have an obligation to help poor women afford it.

Note that governments have no such legal obligation: The Supreme Court, in a series of cases from 1977, ruled that they do not. So Giuliani must (we again assume charitably) be positing some kind of moral obligation to carry out the Supreme Court’s work beyond its writ. Combine this view with Giuliani’s other constitutional musings, and the results get stranger still. Giuliani has said in the past that people should have to show good character and get federal licenses before buying guns. Now he says, without repudiating those past statements, that the courts should read the Second Amendment to protect an individual right to own guns. So should states spend money to let poor people pack heat? Or will women need to show good character and get federal licenses before they have abortions?

Mayor Giuliani has tied himself in knots. His position makes neither logical, moral, nor political sense. Many conservatives are disappointed, and hope that their disappointment is not going to grow as the campaign wears on.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; electionpresident; giuliani; implosion; prolife; rudy; rudyonabortion
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To: veronica; Kuksool
so long as the Supreme Court says abortion is a constitutional right state governments have an obligation to help poor women afford it

But they may have a moral one, as abortion IS legal at this point.


Are you series? If so that's just plain silly.

Where does it say in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that the Government has to a "moral obligation" to pay for any citizen to help exercise his rights.

I have the Right to go to any church I want. Should the government give me gas money or cab fare to get there? .. NO.

I have the Right to own a gun. Should the government buy me one? .. NO.

I have the Right of Freedom of Speech. Should the government pay for me to rent Madison Square Garden for a speech? ... NO.

I have the Right of Freedom of the Press. Should the government buy me a newspaper company so I can print what I want? .. NO. (actually I would like to own the Chicago Tribune)

I have the Right to travel anywhere I want in the USA. Should the government pay for me to go to Hawaii? .. NO.

I'm sorry but you Rudy Rooters sometimes act really really STOO-PID in trying to make excuses for him. It is now getting just lame. You'll try and try to spin all his Liberal Democrat leanings like a top.

But it's too late, he's outed himself as the 100%, dyed in the wool, Liberal Democrat that he is. And there is NO excusing THAT.

Bottom line, Rudy is t-o-a-s-t. He should switch parties by Monday. He'll be right at home there.

61 posted on 04/06/2007 2:42:51 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Condor51
If your position was so right and righteous, you would not need to insult people to make it.
62 posted on 04/06/2007 2:47:19 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I agree. Good job.


63 posted on 04/06/2007 2:57:14 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Spiff

Awesome! ...I’m going to enjoy watching his campaign bleed out over the next few months and will equally enjoy kicking around its desicated corpse some time in the next year.

I really must object most strongly to the content of your post, Spiff.

That's a double-s in 'dessicated'.

64 posted on 04/06/2007 3:14:19 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Kuksool
The only ones that can vote for Rudy Giuliani have a democrats mentality..
Even if they are not(Dems) they are operating on the same mental level..

Rudy believes the same things on most issues as Hitlery..

65 posted on 04/06/2007 3:24:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: flashbunny

“Many conservatives are disappointed”
That is putting it wayyyyy tooo mildly.


66 posted on 04/06/2007 4:08:04 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Alberta's Child
Every Republican president and presidential nominee since then has favored legal protection for unborn life. Neither morality nor opinion polls suggest any reason to do a 180-degree turn now. Support for taxpayer funding of abortion is a minority position. Seventeen states provide taxpayer funding for abortion, all but four of them under judicial compulsion.

Please cite the case where they got rid of all federal funding. Cite the instance where the Hyde Amendment has been scrapped under any President since 1977, thanks.

I wonder why the folks at National Review have taken such a strong position on this right now.

The folks at National Review? They obviously didn't consult with David Frum who also writes for the National Review.

67 posted on 04/06/2007 9:02:28 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (If you think the world's dangerous, and you need a tough guy... that's me [Rudy] --Newt Gingrich)
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To: Kuksool

BTTT


68 posted on 04/06/2007 9:24:40 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Kuksool

BUMP


69 posted on 04/07/2007 7:57:40 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Kuksool
The mayor’s rationale for abortion funding is bizarre. Putting his statements together and reading them as charitably as possible, his argument is that so long as the Supreme Court says abortion is a constitutional right state governments have an obligation to help poor women afford it.

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Keep talking, Rudy.

70 posted on 04/07/2007 8:01:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: veronica
But they may have a moral one, as abortion IS legal at this point.

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I've seen some strange statements from the Rudy crowd, but this is almost beyond belief.

71 posted on 04/07/2007 8:05:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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