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ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
ABC News ^ | April 3, 2007 | Raoul

Posted on 04/03/2007 6:12:42 PM PDT by cruel.raoul

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: jundullahiran; zotmetillipuke
Google Jundullah, and you'll find headlines such as "Jundullah has close ties with Al-Qaeda.", and "Jundullah reveals plan to attack US centre in Karachi-Pakistan". Here we have a drug-running, hardline Sunni terror group with ties to Al Queda and the Taliban. Why are we doing business with these people?

Shouldn't we be killing them, instead?

Did we learn nothing from Afghanistan in the 1980s? Iran in the 1970s? Iraq in the 1950s?

Beware of the leaders who would compromise principles for their goals.

...and a final note: Is this not state-sponsored terrorism?

1 posted on 04/03/2007 6:12:44 PM PDT by cruel.raoul
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To: cruel.raoul

Do you like cheese?


2 posted on 04/03/2007 6:14:02 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: cruel.raoul

IBTZ


3 posted on 04/03/2007 6:14:09 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: cruel.raoul

Nuclear.


4 posted on 04/03/2007 6:14:33 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: cruel.raoul

No, but ABC is sponsor supported stupidity.

finger-on-zot-button.


5 posted on 04/03/2007 6:16:15 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: cruel.raoul

Please deal with this problem now and not leave it for my kids/grandkids to wonder why our generation didn’t fix it when we had the chance.


6 posted on 04/03/2007 6:17:18 PM PDT by umgud (Anna Nicole was an expensive slut)
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To: xcamel

At least it ain’t a duplicate thread, though, right?!


7 posted on 04/03/2007 6:17:54 PM PDT by jdm
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To: cruel.raoul

How far? All the F***ing way, newbie. I’ve hated those bastards since November 4, 1979. Payback is long overdue.


8 posted on 04/03/2007 6:18:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: cruel.raoul

does cruelraoul drool? like..a lot?


9 posted on 04/03/2007 6:19:00 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: cruel.raoul

Not quite sure how far we should go until we actually start fighting them.


10 posted on 04/03/2007 6:19:10 PM PDT by mknj
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To: cruel.raoul
Did we learn nothing from Afghanistan in the 1980s? Iran in the 1970s? Iraq in the 1950s

Did you learn nothing from the zot to your last screen name?

11 posted on 04/03/2007 6:19:22 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: cruel.raoul

Already posted here under the article’s real title “The Secret War Against Iran”:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1811488/posts


12 posted on 04/03/2007 6:19:54 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: cruel.raoul

ZOT! DU Scum!

13 posted on 04/03/2007 6:20:41 PM PDT by MrEdd (Always look on the bright side of life.)
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To: cruel.raoul

I smell ozone in the air...and hear a faint meow on the wind.

}:-)4


14 posted on 04/03/2007 6:23:34 PM PDT by Moose4 (I don't speed in Durham--if I get pulled for 65 in a 55, Mike Nifong'll have me doing 15 to life.)
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To: cruel.raoul

cruel.raoul
Since Apr 4, 2007

*****************************************

Wecome Abroad!


15 posted on 04/03/2007 6:23:48 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cruel.raoul

Maybe ABC News wants you to believe this to further a political agenda?


16 posted on 04/03/2007 6:24:13 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Moose4

Whazzat pale green haze?


17 posted on 04/03/2007 6:24:22 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cruel.raoul

Did we learn nothing from WWII?

We should have been killing Commies, not allying with them!


18 posted on 04/03/2007 6:27:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: cruel.raoul

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790886/posts


19 posted on 04/03/2007 6:31:32 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: cruel.raoul

20 posted on 04/03/2007 6:33:05 PM PDT by etradervic (In 2008, anyone but a Democrat!)
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To: Moose4

NAVY ZOT!

21 posted on 04/03/2007 6:33:59 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: cruel.raoul

Nice going, liberal. ABC is certainly a pillar of journalistic integrity.../sarc


22 posted on 04/03/2007 6:35:06 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: cruel.raoul

Why are you treating this article as if it is the truth, and nothing but the truth? I read the article and it’s based on Iran’s “say so”, unnamed sources, and ABC.

I see you just joined FR. Welcome. I won’t call you a liberal (because you said on your page that people shouldn’t do that), but your post does appear as though you wear tinfoil on occasion. :)


23 posted on 04/03/2007 6:38:26 PM PDT by Chena
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To: cruel.raoul

Just like a liberal. Hit and RUN AWAY! Bye bye loser!


24 posted on 04/03/2007 6:39:17 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: pabianice


Army ZOT!
25 posted on 04/03/2007 6:41:02 PM PDT by etradervic (In 2008, anyone but a Democrat!)
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To: cruel.raoul; nuconvert
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790886/posts Jundallah has changed its name to - "The Iranian People Resistance Movement" Here is a recent statement from them ....... "regarding the February 14th 2007 successful operation against the Islamic Regime Revolutionary Guards in the city of Zahedan:" "The Resistance declares that the successful Egthedar-2 operations will be followed by Eghtedar-3 in a wider theater of operations and will target other centers of oppression all across Iran. The Resistance condemns torture, murder and execution of its members by the Islamic Republic regime. Many have been imprisoned and executed without trial. The Resistance leader, Mr. Abdolmalek Baluch stressed that while Iranian People Resistance Movement believes in peaceful resistance, its demands for equal rights for all Iranian natives and religious minorities have gone unanswered and the regime has resorted to the most barbaric forms of torture and executions. The Resistance, therefore, has no other recourse than to counter the regime militarily. The world should know that the terrorist Islamic Republic regime has treated the natives of Baluchistan with utmost cruelty and has denied their basic rights. Tribal people are imprisoned and tortured for no reason, other than to terrorize and oppress. The Iranian People Resistance Movement has no relationships with smugglers, Taliban or Al-Qaida and is a member of the joint tribal resistance, also consisting of Lor, Bakhtiari and Qashqai tribes. Our demands are rational and legal. Our basic demands are regime observation and respect for our rights and religious freedoms as declared by the UN Human Rights Charter."
26 posted on 04/03/2007 6:47:27 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: cruel.raoul

After reading your post I can understand why some species eat their young.


27 posted on 04/03/2007 6:49:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: cruel.raoul

Is that you Rosie?


28 posted on 04/03/2007 6:50:14 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: cruel.raoul
I think you are on the wrong website. The pro-Tehran, pro-al Qaeda ones are run by the Democrats.
29 posted on 04/03/2007 6:51:09 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: cruel.raoul

Hey Raoul, how Fidel? Feeling better?


30 posted on 04/03/2007 6:56:52 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: pabianice

It’s just not quite as intimidating imagining that we’re going to start using pimped-out 737s for anti-sub operations. I almost expect there to be a couple of Southwest Airlines flight attendants along for the ride, taping little bags of peanuts to the torpedoes...

}:-)4


31 posted on 04/03/2007 6:58:16 PM PDT by Moose4 (I don't speed in Durham--if I get pulled for 65 in a 55, Mike Nifong'll have me doing 15 to life.)
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To: cruel.raoul
Why are we doing business with these people?

Good human intellegence requires dealing with unsavoury characters.

32 posted on 04/03/2007 7:05:24 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: cruel.raoul
Is this not state-sponsored terrorism?

If we were paying people to target the innocent it would be.

However, they are not targeting the innocent, and we are not paying them.

If you guys on the left really want to talk like grown ups--try to think through what you say first.

33 posted on 04/03/2007 7:08:34 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: cruel.raoul
I think it sounds like a god idea. Get them and the Iranians to kill each other.then it is a win win situation for us.
34 posted on 04/03/2007 7:11:07 PM PDT by bilhosty (Rudy in '08, Jindal in '16)
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To: cruel.raoul

I smell ozone.


35 posted on 04/03/2007 7:15:10 PM PDT by PilloryHillary (againsthillary.com)
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To: cruel.raoul
Image hosted by Photobucket.com

Tired of hitting Troll holes BIGGER than J-Lo's ASS???
Then call the RKBA Fast... Pavers UP!!!

Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!!!

36 posted on 04/03/2007 7:22:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: cruel.raoul

Some secret!


37 posted on 04/03/2007 7:24:35 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: cruel.raoul

Welcome to the Free Republic indeed!

Post that you’d rather see Abdulmalak Rigi (A Jihadist heroin smuggler who fought for the Taliban) dead than being helped by the US, and get lambasted as some commie...

For the record, I worked for Lynn Swann, voted for Bednarik, voted against Santorum... There are those of us who don’t fall into easily defined political categories. That I’m not exactly “one of you” doesn’t make me “one of them”. What kind of cred do you need around here? Blood from a liberal?

Anyway, apologies for the repeat thread... does somebody here think I’m some returning poster? True newb. That’s me.

As for my tenure here, I’m not here to troll, “get your goat” with inflammatory stories, resort to personal attacks (although I see that won’t get one banned... but I have class), or just generally be an ass. If I don’t get banned (for what, I don’t know... not voting for Bush?), we’ll disagree plenty- but I will keep it civil. We probably see eye to eye more than you’d care to admit.

Thanks for all the love! Who says only liberals can be compassionate? :-p


38 posted on 04/03/2007 8:18:32 PM PDT by cruel.raoul
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To: bilhosty

of course all the lefties that will raise a huge phony bitch about this will defend all the way Pelosi meeting with the Syrians who are actively allowing terrorists to kill US solsiers in Iraq and Hezbollah to slaughter Israelis over the Lebanese border


39 posted on 04/03/2007 8:33:37 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2 (Thompson/ 08)
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To: cruel.raoul

We do like we used to do. Support bad guys who are killing worse guys, then kill them. Only half as dirty.


40 posted on 04/03/2007 9:14:52 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: cruel.raoul

For an “independent thinker”, your thought patterns are pretty typical of a liberal — kind of loose.

“”Did we learn nothing from Afghanistan in the 1980s””

Yes, we assisted indiginous people in Afghanistan who hated the communists and began the collapse the towering evil empire. It is a lefty trollope that our support to Afghani’s somehow brought about Bin Ladin. If you read “The Looming Tower”, it is clear that Bin Ladin was far from any real combat action or US support. Using an almost liberal-magical theater construct Bin Ladin made himself an Afghan hero, but its not true. The fighting Afghans that we supported disdained the pretending Arabs that Bin Laden led.

“””Iran in the 1970s”””

Yes, we had a great learning experience of not using force to respond to an act of war and demonstrating to the world that we could adopt an impotent stance.

And being a nebuous thinker, you have not listed the counter examples of the 1980s - Angola, El Salvador and Honduras, Poland where we successfully supported resistance to communist aggression and domination.

“””And in a final note”””....you again evidence disorganized analysis when you simply ask if this terrorism. Read the article again. The guerillas are not attacking defenseless women and children as the Sunni/Al Queda heroes of the left are in Iraq. Per the ABC report, THAT YOU YOURSELF POSTED the group is reponsible for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

Gosh, if lefties could just get this terrorism thing right. Attacking soldiers wearing uniforms (per the article “”videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.”” — not terrorism. Car bombing a group of kids or women in a market — terrorism.

Guerillas are not necessarily terrorists — it depends on their tactics and targets. Is it really that difficult a judgement to make?

Lastly, Iran has been doing exactly this to American soldiers for months, killing 175. On top of all their acts of terrorism (Marine Barracks - Lebanon; Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut; Kidnapping of William Higgins US soldier in UN assignment; and constant attacks on Israel). Did you have the same cry of anguish and accusation at them for those acts?

If we can collapse the terror-master Mullahs via economic sanctions and supporting their internal enemies good. Hope we can do it before our internal enemies especially the ones they have planted damage us.


41 posted on 04/03/2007 9:17:50 PM PDT by sgtyork
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To: cruel.raoul
(although I see that won’t get one banned... but I have class)

Snarky insinuations about America sponsoring terrorism does much to illuminate the nature of this class.

If you can't see the difference between those who target the innocent, and those who are dying trying to protect the innocent, then how can a reasonable rational person have a discussion with you?

42 posted on 04/05/2007 12:20:09 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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