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Sulejman Talovic's Salt Lake City Murder Spree Was An Act Of Jihad
PipeLine News Org ^
| March 16, 2007
| By Beila Rabinowitz and William A. Mayer
Posted on 03/18/2007 12:19:32 PM PDT by Bokababe
San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - Facts have emerged in this case which prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Bosnian Muslim immigrant's rampage at a Utah shopping mall, killing five people is a textbook study of a jihadist attack.
Just a day before the murders Talovic told his 17 year old Bosnian girlfriend Monika, with whom he had discussed marriage plans that he was involved in a dark plot.
"Something is going to happen tomorrow that you'll never be able to forgive me about" Talovic's girlfriend told the Salt Lake Times adding that "It was supposed be the happiest day of his life and that it could only happen once in a lifetime." [source Trolley Shooting: Even to the girl he loved, Talovic a mystery to the end, http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5431036] Monica also revealed a "vision" that Talovic had while in Bosnia:
"One evening, "as the sun was falling," Talovic heard a horse outside of his family's home in Bare, where they lived after they left Talovici. He walked out and, standing before him was a white horse "with two beautiful eyes," he told Monika. 'And he said, 'Look,' and his aunt [who was also outside] couldn't see it there,'' Monika said. It was at that moment she knew he was a "good-souled" person.
''He thought of it as only 'good-souled people' could see happiness and goodness,'' she said."
Two of these points are extremely significant in understanding Talovic's motivation; his statement that the mall attack would be his "happiest day" and the invocation of the "white horse" motif, as both are tied to Islamic thinking regarding jihad.
According to the The West Point Combatting Terrorism Center's section on Islamic imagery, the meaning of the white horse symbol is directly related to jihad: ....
(Excerpt) Read more at pipelinenews.org ...
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Utah; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bosnia; giuliani; islam; mall; moslem; saltlake; suddenjihadsyndrome; talovic; utah; wot
But he was such "a nice boy"! Barf!
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:19:42 PM PDT
by
Bokababe
To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:20:54 PM PDT
by
Bokababe
( http://www.savekosovo.org)
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:21:13 PM PDT
by
b4its2late
(Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:25:59 PM PDT
by
aberaussie
(Ignorance has a cost.)
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:26:03 PM PDT
by
aberaussie
(Ignorance has a cost.)
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:26:05 PM PDT
by
aberaussie
(Ignorance has a cost.)
Comment #7 Removed by Moderator
To: Bokababe
Good thing he wasn't a bus driver on a jihad, eh? After all, a Jihadist would never injure a school-child.
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:36:30 PM PDT
by
theDentist
(Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
To: Bokababe
'And he said, 'Look,' and his aunt [who was also outside] couldn't see it there,'' Monika said. It was at that moment she knew he was a "good-souled" person. Monika, darlin'...schizophrenics are NOT "good souled" people.
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:36:51 PM PDT
by
BenLurkin
To: BenLurkin
Sure it wasn't a "pale" horse, Talovic?
To: Bokababe
"good Souled"? Ok, we forgive him. Ain't that right Dems?
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:42:32 PM PDT
by
lawdude
(2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
To: Bokababe
Contrary to claims made by Talovic's family, his girlfriend stated that he had a contact at the local mosque, which is located immediately adjacent to the scene of Sulejman's carnage. "I don't know if he was his friend, but he liked to talk to him" she said. They only saw each other at services in the mosque. They only saw each other like three or four times."
Sulejman's father's continued insistence that someone put his son up to the killings [while denying his son's had any friends at the mosque] seem to be an effort to shield the Al Noor Masjid from law enforcement scrutiny
Interesting
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:45:38 PM PDT
by
Kakaze
(Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
To: Bokababe
"According to the The West Point Combatting Terrorism Center's section on Islamic imagery, the meaning of the white horse symbol is directly related to jihad: ...."
"Rev 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer... "
--The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John the Apostle
"According to the The West Point Combatting Terrorism Center's section on Islamic imagery, the meaning of the white horse symbol is directly related to jihad:
"The white horse is inextricably tied to conceptions of the prophet, martyrdom, and paradise (heaven). It is most often associated with the Prophet Muhammad's miraj or night journey to heaven, when the Prophet ascended to heaven on the back of a white horse...."
--PipelineNews.org
I read the rest of the article and I was shocked to think that perhaps the cruel and conquering one described in Revelation 6 was Mohammed....
Now please, don't reply in naughty ways to me if this seems stupid to you.
I think it is a possibility.
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:46:30 PM PDT
by
bperiwinkle7
( In the beginning was the WORD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
To: Bokababe
Thanks.
I wasn't familiar with 'Pipeline News", so was pleasantly surprised to see their included sourcing, with links.
Nothing we weren't already pretty sure of, but it is nice to see credible corroboration.
Too bad the MSM aren't going to let any of this see the light of day.
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:49:16 PM PDT
by
ApplegateRanch
(Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
To: Bokababe
Filed under "Clinton Legacy."
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:49:17 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
To: bperiwinkle7
"the Prophet ascended to heaven on the back of a white horse...."
the name of that horse? Barack
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:50:16 PM PDT
by
since 1854
(http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com)
To: Bokababe
They try to blend in until they get the gun, make the bomb, strap on the bombs.
Realistically, the only solution is to close the borders to the proponents of the ideology of death and destruction and to expel those who are here.
To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
I want to know where all the "Stop Jihad Now!" signs are.
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:54:15 PM PDT
by
Paladin2
(Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
To: ApplegateRanch
"Too bad the MSM aren't going to let any of this see the light of day."
Not a word from the President, the FBI, the DOD, the SLC PD, Homeland Security.
Why should the media say anything, if those mentioned don't?
To: since 1854
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posted on
03/18/2007 12:54:46 PM PDT
by
null and void
(To Patriots, male bonding happens in the USMC, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade)
To: All
Every ten years or so a "right wing" nut goes postal. No connections to supremacist groups, no criminal record. Nothing except maybe some past mental issues.
Ah! But he's a "covert" lone wolf; an arm of the evangelical VRWC, say many of our elected self-appointed anointed ones and their GS ("it all counts toward 30") toadies.
"Wot?"
"The shooter was not a white American male.. PROFILING! Bigots!" scream the anointed ones.
"That's right your're doing a great job, Dhimmi! Keep on truckling!," the radical Muslims cheer.
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:02:58 PM PDT
by
WilliamofCarmichael
(If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
To: truth_seeker
Perhaps one of the families of a victim can sue the government for allowing this guy into the country.
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:06:25 PM PDT
by
orinoco
To: WilliamofCarmichael
Every ten years or so a "right wing" nut goes postal. No connections to supremacist groups, no criminal record. Nothing except maybe some past mental issues.Even if there were some connection to supremacist groups, as a rule those groups do not issue weekly press releases threatening the entire world population...
The comparison is always ludricrous.
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:11:52 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
To: Bokababe
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38b7e6657eee.htm
Click on the above http and see who was a big supporter of the Albanian Jihadists.
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:17:21 PM PDT
by
gitmogrunt
("Democrats and Republicans, not a dime's bit of difference" Gov.George C.Wallace)
To: gitmogrunt
The link doesn't work, who is it?
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:23:42 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
To: truth_seeker
Not a word from the President, the FBI, the DOD, the SLC PD, Homeland Security.It's probably the only thing the MSM agrees on with Bush.
"Islam is a religion of peace."
To: ansel12
It's McCain and the KLA.
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:29:45 PM PDT
by
gitmogrunt
("Democrats and Republicans, not a dime's bit of difference" Gov.George C.Wallace)
To: Bokababe
...so he wasn't just an "angry youth"?
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posted on
03/18/2007 1:51:10 PM PDT
by
Tzimisce
(How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
To: Bokababe
He probably played basketball, too, and volunteered for community service!
It must have been Bush's fault that he came down with Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
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posted on
03/18/2007 2:13:57 PM PDT
by
Deo volente
(As Michael Savage says, "Hit 'em hard, hit 'em fast, then get out of the Middle East!")
To: Bokababe
No question about it. Scratch the surface in a lot of localities and you'll probably find more.
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posted on
03/18/2007 2:19:00 PM PDT
by
Ukiapah Heep
(Shoes for Industry!)
To: gitmogrunt; ansel12
To: All
RECAP:
ABC4.com: "TALOVIC MAY HAVE SHOWN OFF GUNS TO FAMILY MEMBERS" by Reed Cowan (Last updated March 15, 2007, 7:14 PM) (Note: Url may expire.)
ABC4.com: "TALOVIC'S GIRLFRIEND RECALLS PHONE CALL ON DAY BEFORE TROLLEY SQUARE SHOOTINGS" by Chris Jones (Last updated March 15, 2007, 1:48 AM) (Note: Url may expire.)
OSINT.INTERNET-HAGANAH.com (CONTRACOSTATIMES.com): Salt Lake City - "TROLLEY SQUARE OPERATION TO BE USED AS A CASE STUDY" (February 21, 2007)
KSL.com: "FATHER OF SHOOTER BELIEVES SOMEONE TOLD HIS SON TO KILL PEOPLE" (February 16, 2007, 12:49 pm)
SALT LAKE TRIBUNE: "TROLLEY KILLER HAD VIOLENT JUVENILE HISTORY" by Stephen Hunt and Brent Israelsen (Last updated February 15, 2007, 6:20:05 PM MST)
LittleGreenFootballs.com - "SALT LAKE CITY KILLER'S RECORDS RELEASED" (February 15, 2007)
Media.www.USISHIELD.com (AP): "GUNMAN KILLS 5 AT SALT LAKE CITY MALL" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The card store Cabin Fever had been packed with Valentine's Day shoppers Monday night when the shooting started, store owner David Dean said. Dean said his assistant manager called him, saying "someone's in the store killing people." The place was "all shot up," Dean said. He said three or four of the victims were shot inside.") (February 15, 2007)
LiveLeak.com: "DRAMATIC HOME VIDEO SHOWS UTAH MALL RAMPAGE"
JIHAD WATCH.org: "DESERET MORNING NEWS HITS 'ULTRACONSERVATIVE' WEBSITES FOR SUGGESTING SALT LAKE SHOOTING WAS JIHAD-MOTIVATED" (February 15, 2007)
JIHAD WATCH.org (BISMARCK TRIBUNE): Salt Lake City - "FBI: NO REASON TO BELIEVE SALT LAKE MALL SHOOTER WAS MOTIVATED BY RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM OR TERRORISM" (February 14, 2007)
KUTV.com: "FULL COVERAGE OF THE TERROR AT TROLLEY SQUARE" (Febuary 14, 2007, 9:48 pm US/Mountain)
CNN.com: "UTAH MALL GUNMAN WAS SREBRENICA SURVIVOR, COUSIN SAYS" (February 14, 2007, 11:59 p.m.)
FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE: "SALT LAKE JIHAD?" by Robert Spencer (February 15, 2007)
SLTRIB.com: "TROLLEY SQUARE: SUSPECT RARELY SEEN BY HIS NEIGHBORS A high school drop-out, Talovic's life and motive for the shooting remain a mystery" by Matthew D. LaPlante (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Police say the gunman met his first two victims in the parking lot, firing off two rounds as they fell. "Die, motherf-----," Talovic said to them, according to one witness. Talovic appears to have uttered few further words. Witnesses said he moved deliberately through the ground floor corridors, firing round after round at helpless others, sometimes swearing, sometimes ordering his victims not to look at him. In seemingly random fashion, showing no emotion, he slaughtered five people and seriously wounded four others.") (Last updated February 14, 2007, 01:29 AM MST)
DESERET NEWS.com: "6 MINUTES OF HORROR: SHOOTER AIMED TO KILL AS MANY AS HE COULD" by Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow (ARTICLE SNIPPET: ""His intent was to shoot as many people as he possibly could," said Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. Police released details Tuesday on Talovic's shooting rampage that left five people dead before off-duty Ogden police officer Ken Hammond and four Salt Lake City police officers killed him in "a shootout," Burbank said. Four other shooting victims are hospitalized. Talovic was armed with a shotgun, a .38-caliber handgun and "a backpack full of ammunition," Burbank said. Around the man's waist was a bandolier of shotgun shells. "He had a pump shotgun," said one witness, DeEtta Barta. "He was shooting, and he shot about four shots.") (February 14, 2007)
WorldNetDaily.com: "UTAH GUNMAN, 18, WAS MUSLIM FROM BOSNIA" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's Day shoppers.")(February 13, 2007)
JIHAD WATCH.org (AP): "SALT LAKE CITY: BOSNIAN TEEN WANTED 'TO KILL A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE'" (February 13, 2007)
LittleGreenFootballs.com - weblog: "SALT LAKE CITY KILLER IDENTIFIED Sudden jihad syndrome?" (February 13, 2007)
Google - Search News: "SULEJMAN TALOVIC"
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posted on
03/18/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT
by
Cindy
To: bperiwinkle7
"Rev 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer... " --The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John the Apostle Actually, that's fascinating bp7!
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posted on
03/18/2007 2:31:32 PM PDT
by
Bokababe
( http://www.savekosovo.org)
To: Publius6961
Even if there were some connection to supremacist groups, as a rule those groups do not issue weekly press releases threatening the entire world population... Well, they would first have to be able to read and write in order to do that.
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posted on
03/18/2007 2:37:59 PM PDT
by
Wilhelm Tell
(True or False? This is not a tag line.)
To: rrc
I did my part...I managed to bump it three times. ;-)
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posted on
03/18/2007 4:02:04 PM PDT
by
aberaussie
(Ignorance has a cost.)
To: Bokababe
"One evening, "as the sun was falling," Talovic heard a horse outside of his family's home in Bare, where they lived after they left Talovici. He walked out and, standing before him was a white horse "with two beautiful eyes," he told Monika. 'And he said, 'Look,' and his aunt [who was also outside] couldn't see it there,'' Monika said. It was at that moment she knew he was a "good-souled" person. Sounds like a "get laid" line used by teenage mohammedan males.
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posted on
03/18/2007 4:11:23 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 7:25:35 PM PDT
by
sheik yerbouty
( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
To: Bokababe
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posted on
03/18/2007 7:25:35 PM PDT
by
sheik yerbouty
( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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