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Let's Make a Deal - Social conservatives, Rudy Giuliani, and the end of the litmus test.
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 12, 2007 | Noemie Emery

Posted on 03/03/2007 1:05:48 PM PST by gpapa

Next year may see the party of the Sunbelt and Reagan, based in the South and in Protestant churches, nominate its first presidential candidate who is Catholic, urban, and ethnic--and socially liberal on a cluster of issues that set him at odds with the party's base. As a result, it may also see the end of the social issues litmus test in the Republican party, done in not by the party's left wing, which is shrunken and powerless, but by a fairly large cadre of social conservatives convinced that, in a time of national peril, the test is a luxury they cannot afford.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; cpac; duncanhunter; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; litmustest; misterpresident; rino; rudy
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This author sounds like a dedicated CINO.
1 posted on 03/03/2007 1:05:52 PM PST by gpapa
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To: gpapa

In times of national peril, this "litmus test" is of paramount importance. The Ruler of the Universe, who is the only one who can truly protect us, is holy. He is righteous and just and will not let sin go unpunished. Go read Abraham Lincoln's speech on the subject of God's judgment via the civil war. How many died as a result of the sin of slavery? To think national peril is not tied to national sin is to disbelieve in Providence.


2 posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:09 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: gpapa
Social conservatives, Rudy Giuliani, and the end of the litmus test.

Conservatism is my litmus test. Pro-abortion, pro-homo, gun grabbbers aren't conservatives, period.

3 posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:46 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: gpapa

Was the author named Monty Hall? No deal. Ain't gonna happen. Rudy is a flaming liberal.


4 posted on 03/03/2007 1:17:24 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: gpapa

Which litmus test? The 1st Amendment/CFR litmus test? The 2nd Amendment litmus test? The illegal immigration litmus test? The abortion litmus test? The partial birth abortion litmus test? The hate crimes litmus test? The judges litmus test? The gay agenda litmus test? Which one do we give up? All of them? Why stop there? Surely we can find some other dead-weight conservative principals we can jettison in favor of a singular focus on national security.

I'll never understand the spell this man casts over people. It's positively Clinton-esque.


5 posted on 03/03/2007 1:21:10 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Build the fence. Vote Hunter.)
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To: PhiKapMom; BunnySlippers; areafiftyone; auto power; JulieRNR21; Peach; Lancey Howard; Cincinna; ...

What you see are many conservatives setting aside their differences with Giuliani on a select few issues that the President personally has little power over, and supporting actual conservative governance & results (bringing down organized crime, fixing a city that was in decline, facing terrorism at personal risk to himself) rather than slogans and sound bites.

Nearly all pro-Giuliani Freepers have qualms about some of Giuliani's stands on social issues, but are looking at 2008 from a Big Picture perspective.


6 posted on 03/03/2007 1:21:14 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Agree, but that said, I was disappointed in his speech at C-PAC in that he did NOT hit what I consider to be his strength, which is the ability to win the WoT. That was the weakest part of his talk. I also was a little uneasy about a phrase he used relating to the WoT, "stop them and engage them" as opposed to KILL and ERADICATE them. I think many support Rudy thinking he has the latter sentiments in mind, and if he doesn't, much of his current conservative support will go out the window.

BTW, I saw Bob Tyrrell of the American Spectator with the Guliani people, and saw Terrill's pro-Rudy column in one of the NY papers on Thurs. (?) It's says a lot when someone like Tyrrell---once the most RADICAL of conservatives---is backing Rudy.

7 posted on 03/03/2007 1:25:53 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: TommyDale

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how open borders, gun control and demographic suicide make America more secure in this time of "national peril".


8 posted on 03/03/2007 1:26:16 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Build the fence. Vote Hunter.)
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To: gpapa

Love of country, hatred of terrorists and an (R) after their name are my only litmus tests.


9 posted on 03/03/2007 1:28:26 PM PST by Barrett 50BMG
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To: Clintonfatigued

We're looking at the 2008 Big Picture as well. And having a GOP nominee this left-of-center on this many issues is leaving the front-door off the hinge for a third party candidate to come walking in.

Not to mention the skeletons in the storage shed that the Dems are going to use against him. It's the political equivalent of a nuclear arsenal in the hands of the enemy.


10 posted on 03/03/2007 1:30:03 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Build the fence. Vote Hunter.)
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To: LS

Your concern is understandable, but "engage" can mean many things. The military has what it calls "rules of engagement." Giuliani may have meant it that way.


11 posted on 03/03/2007 1:30:25 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: gpapa
Noemie Emery

Needs to check in at one of those drying out joints with the bald headed Bimbo. Has got to be on some drug to get that far spaced out.

12 posted on 03/03/2007 1:31:12 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The third-party concern is legitimate. But the skelotons in the closet bit is nothing to worry about. None of the Rodents running have lived the cleanest lives possible.


13 posted on 03/03/2007 1:32:22 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: gpapa
I don't see the left dropping their litmus tests - pro abortion, pro tax/spend, anti military, etc.

On the other hand, the ideal conservative candidate may not be out there or may not be electable (name recognition, fund raising, baggage, etc).
14 posted on 03/03/2007 1:33:21 PM PST by joonbug
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To: BunnySlippers; PhiKapMom

RUDY PING -- a long, but very interesting article. The excerpt posted doesn't do much, but it's definitely worth reading the article and I think the Rudy Ping members would find it interesting, including bookmarking it for use in discussions later.

"In 2006, he campaigned for many pro-life candidates, spoke out against judicial activism, and cited the likes of Samuel Alito and John Roberts as the kind of judges he wanted to see on the bench. There has been some resistance, but since the start of this year a sizable cadre of social conservatives have declared either their willingness to consider supporting the mayor, or their intention not to write him off.

Some day their prince may come--the conservative who hits all the bases--pro-life, pro-supply side, pro-tax cuts, pro-deregulation, and hawkish in foreign policy--but this day is not it, and that day may never arrive.

The deal in the works has been carefully crafted to make sure that no one loses too much. Conservatives would be getting a pro-choice nominee, but one who would not push a pro-choice agenda, and one who would give them (as far as presidents can be sure in these matters) the kind of judges they long for. Giuliani would not be required to renounce his beliefs, merely to appoint the right kind of judges and to remain more or less neutral in a policy area in which, to be honest, he has never shown that much interest. The Republicans will remain the pro-life party--as desired by the bulk of their voters and required by the workings of the two-party system--though now with a larger, more varied, and in some ways more competitive field of candidates.

And it is worth noting in this altered context that the Democrats also are starting to change. One of the reasons Democrats now run both the houses of Congress is that canny recruiters defied their own culture war lobbies and rammed a number of pro-life and pro-gun candidates down the throats of their interest groups, assessing correctly that control of Congress was worth a few unhappy activists. "


15 posted on 03/03/2007 1:35:05 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why he is so qualified to fight the War on Terror, especially since several other candidates are much better qualified. It is a shell game, produced and directed by a PR campaign that started on September 12, 2001.


16 posted on 03/03/2007 1:35:08 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: gpapa

Not even if hell froze over!


17 posted on 03/03/2007 1:37:44 PM PST by dalereed
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To: TommyDale

As much as I despise McCain, he could do a better job on the War on Terror than Giuliani. Duncan Hunter at least wants to close the borders, which is more than Rudy has done. Hunter also chaired and is the current ranking Repulican on the House Committee for Armed Services, and served in the US Marine Corps. He has far more insight to the Pentagon than Giuliani.
Rudy was a mayor, and a federal prosector. Whoop-de-doo.


18 posted on 03/03/2007 1:39:46 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
None of the Rodents running have lived the cleanest lives possible.

Of course, that's an understatement. The Dems are habitual liars and career criminals. But then, so are their fellow travelers in the mass media. And in politics, like everything else, perception is reality.

19 posted on 03/03/2007 1:41:19 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Build the fence. Vote Hunter.)
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To: TommyDale

"Rudy was a mayor, and a federal prosector. Whoop-de-doo."

I keep asking for his actual qualifications that enable him to be a great 'wartime president' and the best person to handle the WOT, beyond merely his tough talk or going after the mob.

The usually response is the sound of crickets.


20 posted on 03/03/2007 1:41:58 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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