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Disrespecting Jessica (Bill O'Reilly)
Jewish World Review ^ | February 26, 2007 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 02/24/2007 10:46:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The national media won't tell you, but in Miami right now, a man named John Couey is on trial for brutally killing a 9-year-old girl named Jessica Lunsford. Couey, a convicted sex offender, kidnapped Jessica out of her modest Florida home, brought her to a trailer, sexually abused her, and then buried her alive. When authorities found her body, she was clutching a stuffed dolphin.

Because of that heinous act, the state of Florida passed "Jessica's Law," which mandates that a first-time conviction for felony sexual battery on a child will result in a 25-years-to-life prison sentence. No plea bargain, no parole, no nutty judge dispensing light punishment. You do it once -- you're gone.

In the past three years, 41 out of 50 states have passed a version of Jessica's Law, but there is still powerful opposition to it. Many trial lawyers object because they want the ability to plea bargain. Some judges dissent because their egos are bruised. They are taken out of the equation after a child predator is convicted. And many in the left-wing media object to Jessica's Law on the grounds that it is cruel and unusual punishment; these people want rehabilitation for violent sexual offenders who brutalize children.

Let's deal with the rehab situation first. In our system of justice, the punishment must fit the crime. If you rape or sexually brutalize a child, that child will never fully recover. For the rest of that person's life, the crime will be played out in a variety of ways. Thus, the punishment must be the forfeiture of freedom for much of the abuser's life. That's punishment fitting the crime.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: billoreilly; childabuse; criminaljustice; jessicalunsford; jessicaslaw
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1 posted on 02/24/2007 10:46:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The defense lawyers simply should be ashamed.

Every person charged with a crime deserves a vigorous defense, and part of that process is an attempt to plead down the case. Defense lawyers have nothing to be ashamed of in the slightest.

Some judges dissent because their egos are bruised. They are taken out of the equation after a child predator is convicted.

Ego doesn't have anything to do with it, Judges understand that justice isn't as simple as a rulebook.

2 posted on 02/24/2007 10:56:03 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the Colorado legislature, all six Democrats in the House Judiciary Committee voted against allowing Jessica's Law to come to the floor for a full vote. The same six Democrats voted against forcing sexual offenders to register online, so that people would know who is addressing them on the Internet.

Sad to say but I didn't need Bill O. to tell me this. If there is any kind of perversion the democrats are for it. Coddle the criminal, blame the victim.

How can anyone be a democrat? (rhetorical question)

3 posted on 02/24/2007 10:56:56 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

child molesters are unable to reform and the most merciful punishment for them is death.However we are a "civilized "society and must try the alternative.Or so say "enlightened"liberals.Uh-huh.And I'm a mongoose,too.


4 posted on 02/24/2007 11:17:24 PM PST by screaming eagle2 (No matter what you call it,a pre-owned vehicle is still a USED CAR!)
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To: screaming eagle2
I think that we need to look at the sex crimes. I am all for Jessica's law. But then I don't think that a boy of 18 who has sex with a girl of 15 who lied about her age deserves to have his life ruined ....Repeat sex offenders and those that rape children yes I do believe ought to be jailed for life or face death. I am all for just tossing them into general prison population and letting inmate justice take care of them. I do not favor them getting protection in jail. Like I said though, what do you do with these girls who seek out older boys over the age of 18 and lie about their age? Have sex and then the parents press charges. Sometimes the parents know their little darlings are having sex and if the boy breaks up with the girl they press charges. I don't think that fits under a sex offender. Yet as of now in some states thats a sex crime. I really don't think it is in all cases.
5 posted on 02/24/2007 11:32:53 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Defense lawyers have nothing to be ashamed of in the slightest.

I'm not sure your hyperbole serves your case any better than O'Reilly's hyperbole serves his.

Sophistry should not be substituted for a "vigorous defense." Yet that is the case in much of our judicial system. Deconstructionism and postmodern concepts of truth (or lack thereof) have turned our "adversarial" judicial system into a game of verbal gymnastics which has only tangential connections to reality and truth. And not a lot to do with justice as a concept, only as a definition.

6 posted on 02/24/2007 11:49:07 PM PST by the808bass (Deconstruct at your leisure)
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To: Zeroisanumber

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• Why does a judge who defends a monument to the Ten Commandments in a courthouse lose his job?
• Why are speech codes imposed on employers, university students, lawyers (and judges!), while “artistic” indecency is protected from even the mildest regulation?
• Why are peaceful abortion protesters thrown in jail, their right to free speech crushed?
• Why are white and Asian students denied admission to colleges and universities in the name of “diversity”?
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7 posted on 02/25/2007 12:13:22 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It all depends on the definition of "child".

After puberty, if no force or threat was involved, a mandatory minimum of 25 years is WAY too much.

I wouldn't object to a high minimum sentence if coercion was involved or if the victim was a REAL child (pre-adolescent) and not just a "legal child" (meaning under 18). But there are lots of teenagers who, while legally minors, are sufficiently mature that it makes sense to say they "consented", and in that case, even if you rightly impose a jail sentence, 25 years is crazy. (And of course you can't jail teenagers of similar ages for having sex with each other.)


8 posted on 02/25/2007 12:48:19 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: the808bass

Thank you. I can see you've spent some time in the courts. Me too. You're right.


9 posted on 02/25/2007 1:13:40 AM PST by dasboot
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To: pandoraou812
I hear you.

Looking back on those young days, some of those girls could/can fool a much older man than I was then. So well that their age was never an issue.

Think 19yr man, 14yr woman.
10 posted on 02/25/2007 1:15:07 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

When I was younger I didn't want to go out with the boys my age. I wanted to go out with the ones who drove. I would be 14 and they would be 17 or 18 yrs old. At 16 yrs old I could get into any bar I wanted..... I have 4 sons and I make sure any girl that they hang out with is over the age of 18 yrs old. But I also know that girls look much older now with the hormones in milk & meat etc. I feel bad for boys who get tricked. I think if a girl does that she ought to get some form of punishment too. I just think to label a boy who made a mistake for life or give him 5 yrs jail time is not fair. I hate sex offenders with a passion. But I do understand there can be mistakes made and that those boys shouldn't have to pay the price of being labeled a sex offender for life. Repeat sex offenders or the monsters that go after children ought to be in jail for a long time if not life. I truly would put them in general prison population so they know what rape, fear and being a victim is like everyday of their rotten lives . ~P~


11 posted on 02/25/2007 1:29:42 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: RunningWolf

Recent case in Australia...

20 year old boy and 13 year old woman. SHE arranged the whole thing. A lot of it via SMS Text on the cell phone. Said she wanted to have sex to get back at her boyfriend.

After the deed was done, SHE put the guy into the police and said it was Rape. And kept on saying it was rape right up until the defense entered the cell phone and the Text into evidence. Then she admitted it was all a set up.

Boys gets a suspended sentence and some Psychiatric Help (seems he had Problems before = polite speak for not right in the head). No word on her punishment for trying to send someone away for a crime (rape) they didn't commit.

But, of course, these aren't Violent Sexual Assaults/Attacks. It was consensual.

Best advice... Make Certain the woman is Legal first.


12 posted on 02/25/2007 3:10:07 AM PST by Fluke Codewriter (Democracy is a mob-rules mentality, it's like 100 wolves and 1 sheep fighting over what's for dinner)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"If you rape or sexually brutalize a child, that child will never fully recover. For the rest of that person's life, the crime will be played out in a variety of ways."

Valid, true statement.


13 posted on 02/25/2007 3:51:49 AM PST by combat_boots (The MSM: State run Democrat media masquerading as corporations)
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To: the808bass
Sophistry should not be substituted for a "vigorous defense."

I think defense attorneys should do whatever legal measures it takes to get their clients off.The problem is elsewhere. An education system that doesn't teach people how to think critically, and to look beyond defense (and prosecution) hyperbole, a disordered system of social values that spends more subsidizing indolence, bastardy, and drug abuse than it does on enforcing the law, a series of guilt-ridden legal precedents which tilt the balance in favor of the defendant, so that juries end up being made up of socialist idiots, rather than thoughtful citizens.

WE are victims of our prosperity. We don't see how safety and security are related to freedom, we despise and discount the idea of personal responsibility, we think the duty of moral judgment is a crime of being judgmental and hypocritical. "Who are we too judge?" we ask.

The fault, I think, is not that the defense attorneys go flat out to win an acquittal. It's that juries allow them to get away with it.

14 posted on 02/25/2007 4:14:22 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe the mandatory sentence should be triggered only by a certain span of years between the ages, say 3 years or more.

15 posted on 02/25/2007 5:00:32 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Zeroisanumber
The defense lawyers simply should be ashamed.

Thankfully, BOR thinks for us lesser simpler beings without the power of critical thinking skills.

The man is beyond pompous.

I wonder what the defense lawyers who were planning his legal strategy against sexual harassment charges think?

16 posted on 02/25/2007 5:14:05 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The problem with this type of crime is that the offender is not deterred by any punishment society is wiling to impose.

There was another Florida case where an 11-year old girl was killed by a guy with eleven priors for unprovoked assaults against females. In the first case, he hit a woman over the head and dragged her into the woods, but she escaped and, because she was not "harmed" he pled down to a trivial charge.

Right then and there, society lost its best chance to save that poor little girl's life.

Hitting a woman over the head and dragging her into the woods is not a crime like robbing a gas station or writing bad checks, but it is processed in the same way by the same people.

In the case of a guy who drags strangers off to rape them, what's wrong with the offender never gets fixed.

If it were up to me, I'd execute people like this as soon as they were identified, but lifelong incarceration is fine with me - I'd just rather not pay for it.

17 posted on 02/25/2007 5:29:50 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: William Terrell
Maybe the mandatory sentence should be triggered only by a certain span of years between the ages, say 3 years or more.

Sexual predation and relations between consenting teenagers are not the same type of thing, and to group them in the same system of evaluation and punishment is a sign of a culture that is so sick that it can no longer protect itself.

The punishment for statutory "rape" should be left to fathers and brothers.

The John Coueys of this world should be killed as soon as they are found out.

18 posted on 02/25/2007 5:37:15 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thus, the punishment must be the forfeiture of freedom for much of the abuser's life. That's punishment fitting the crime.

O'Reilly is against the death penalty. I can live with that, provided that the alternative makes the perps WISH they were dead! Life at hard labor, 16 hours a day, seven days a week with no amenities whatsoever, on minimal rations sounds good, but it is too damned expensive. See my profile page for the proposed solution. < /rant >

19 posted on 02/25/2007 6:15:15 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm not a big fan of BORe but when he's right, he's right. Kudos to you Bill.
20 posted on 02/25/2007 6:42:03 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (google the "Verses of the Sword" to understand our Islamist enemies.)
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