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Classifying Your Firearms into Oblivion (JPFO Joins Akins Accelerator Fight)
JPFO.ORG ^ | 02/19/07 | The Liberty Crew

Posted on 02/20/2007 6:22:16 AM PST by Copernicus

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

February 19, 2007

JPFO ALERT: Classifying Your Firearms into Oblivion

In 2003, Akins Group Inc. developed the Akins Accelerator, a bumpfire stock for a Ruger 10/22 that can produce about 650 rounds/minute. The company received classification letters from the BATFE agreeing that the stock was not a firearm and therefore unregulated.

Akins performed approximately 18 months of testing, built injection molds based on the results, and began offering the Accelerator to the public in December of 2006.

True to form, the BATFE suddenly decided that the plastic stock was in fact a machine gun. The considerable time, effort, and of course money Akins invested into the project has been rendered essentially useless. You can read the entire saga at http://www.firefaster.com/documentation.html .

As our regular readers are aware, this isn't the first time that the BATFE has changed its mind on a classification. Our "Boot the BATFE" page at http://www.jpfo.org/bootbatfe.htm has several ATF Reconsideration letters listed.

It's important to realize what this really means. The ATF tells a manufacturer that a particular product is legal and acceptable. Based on this, the manufacturer invests large sums of money to produce the product, and even begins distributing the product. AFTER the money is spent, AFTER the inventory has been built, AFTER customers have purchased the product, the BATFE says, "Oops, just kidding. It's illegal."

Now the manufacturer has wasted valuable capital and his customers are in possession of products that could get them fined or jailed! All because the BATFE changed its mind.

It gets worse.

The BATFE is declaring by fiat that this product or that is "illegal". There's no legislation involved. No Congressional hearings. No oversight at all. Just a bureaucrat stating, "Yeah, this is illegal." Your only recourse is to beg them to reconsider again (and how likely is that?)

If the BATFE is reclassifying plastic rifle stocks to be machine guns, what's to stop them from reclassifying semi-autos as machine guns? After all, your semi-auto has "characteristics and features of a machine gun" (the BATFE's favorite phrase lately). And if a _shoelace_ can be classified a machine gun (yes, really! http://www.jpfo.org/shoestring.jpg), then why not?

Here is yet more proof -- as if we didn't have enough -- that the BATFE is an unelected rogue agency run amok. It is a law unto itself; as many people have found, merely criticizing it can result in dire consequences.

If you haven't yet supported the making of our film The Gang -- a film with the express goal of helping to abolish the BATFE and end all federal control and regulation of firearms --, why not? We MUST bring down Leviathan now, before our right to keep and bear arms is a faded memory. Go to www.jpfo.org/thegang.htm or www.thegangmovie.com for more information.

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Excellent summary of the stakes involved in the BATFE's latest power grab.

Best regards to all,

1 posted on 02/20/2007 6:22:20 AM PST by Copernicus
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To: DCBryan1; Joe Brower
More Akins Accelerator Information.

Best regards,

2 posted on 02/20/2007 6:25:11 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Copernicus

Considering the BATFe has ruled a shoe string can be a machine gun, pretty much everything else can be classified as such.


3 posted on 02/20/2007 6:29:11 AM PST by Nachoman (Happiness is a large secondary explosion.)
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To: Copernicus

Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history. Something to think about...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20
million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
Century because of gun control: 56 million.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
>destroyed bytheir own government, a program costing Australia
taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now
in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease
in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that
their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in
break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a
loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian
society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical
facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear
our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this
information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives
and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans.....before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please
remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message..


4 posted on 02/20/2007 6:29:40 AM PST by RC2
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To: Copernicus

Where is the outrage? I would expect that FREEPERS would be all over this, but I won't hold my breath.


5 posted on 02/20/2007 6:38:29 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: RC2

6 posted on 02/20/2007 6:42:43 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: RC2

Those are sobering statistics but you're preaching to the choir. The MSM is completely infiltrated with Marxists or their brainwashed, hand-wringing dupes who keep this info out of circulation. The government also wants a disarmed populace because, face it, we no longer have a government by and for the people. We (conservatives) keep trudging to the polls to elect politicians who, when elected, don't expend a lot of energy defending our rights but instead spend their time enrich themselves and those they really represent, large donors. To be honest they are strong-armed into doing what the party leadership wants instead of representing their constituents.

Rant over.


7 posted on 02/20/2007 6:48:19 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan
To be honest they are strong-armed into doing what the party leadership wants instead of representing their constituents.

That is why firearms in the hands of law abiding CITIZENS are so important. The founding fathers and the Constitution grants us with three (3) ways to get our leaders attention:

1) Citizens standing on their soap box,
2) Citizens pulling the lever on the ballot box, and if all else fails,
3) Citizens able to get to their cartridge box.

8 posted on 02/20/2007 6:57:59 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
More on the latest antics of our favorite JBT alphabet-soup agency.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

9 posted on 02/20/2007 7:01:58 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: Copernicus
The BATFE is declaring by fiat that this product or that is "illegal". There's no legislation involved. No Congressional hearings. No oversight at all. Just a bureaucrat stating, "Yeah, this is illegal." Your only recourse is to beg them to reconsider again (and how likely is that?)

Too bad not enough people forcefully invoke the "show me the law". Getting very fed up with the bs.

10 posted on 02/20/2007 7:15:50 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Nailbiter

ping


11 posted on 02/20/2007 7:28:17 AM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: Copernicus

bump. Like we could expect anything better?


12 posted on 02/20/2007 7:33:02 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: DCBryan1
Are you implying that you aren't going to vote for Rudy?


13 posted on 02/20/2007 7:43:35 AM PST by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: Copernicus

There is a tremendous amount of energy which is, will be, and has been expended figting the Akins issue, the last AWB, the upcoming AWB II, etc.

If that energy, even a decent fraction of it, were expended on overturning 922(o), we'd be much farther ahead in much less time.

922(o).
One stinkin' sentence.
Get rid of that, and we could have the real M4s, AKs etc. with the happy switch and everything instead of endless snivelling over M4geries, AKSes, etc. and the cosmetics thereof.

They're trying incrementalism, and it works.
Flank 'em.
Overturn 922(o) already.


14 posted on 02/20/2007 7:53:52 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: DCBryan1

"1) Citizens standing on their soap box,
2) Citizens pulling the lever on the ballot box, and if all else fails,
3) Citizens able to get to their cartridge box."

Let's see.

1) I've protested Bill Owens (our governor) twice. The first time I was targeted by the local SWAT team (brave patriots all I'm sure) in case I and the 70 year old grandpas got out of line. The second time I was herded into a "Free Speech Zone" two blocks from where the spineless turd was speaking so he wouldn't be disturbed by the pesky citizens demanding their rights.

I've written letters and signed petitions too. No joy. If I was a blind, Lesbian Ferret farmer I would have gotten more attention.

2) I pulled the lever on the ballot box many times so my representatives could go to Washington and stand up for absolutly nothing as far as I can see.

3) I still have the cartridge box to be sure and I'm afraid it's coming to that eventually.


15 posted on 02/20/2007 8:02:17 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Copernicus

Gee

"...the BATFE is an unelected rogue agency run amok. It is a law unto itself; as many people have found, merely criticizing it can result in dire consequences."

Just like the IRS, EPA, FCC and on and on.


16 posted on 02/20/2007 8:54:16 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Joe Brower

No Guns ~ No Rights!

Be Ever Vigilant!


17 posted on 02/20/2007 9:26:57 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: dljordan
Those are sobering statistics but you're preaching to the choir.

Actually, preaching to the choir could be pretty useful if what was preached was that BATFE works for GWB. Rush makes the same mistake, criticizing the Democrats his audience can't move instead of the Republicans it could.

18 posted on 02/20/2007 9:27:07 AM PST by Grut
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To: Grut

" Actually, preaching to the choir could be pretty useful if what was preached was that BATFE works for GWB. Rush makes the same mistake, criticizing the Democrats his audience can't move instead of the Republicans it could."

Good point. All it would take for F Troop to get out of everyones hair is a word from Bush.


19 posted on 02/20/2007 9:36:08 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Copernicus

What do they have to say about fully automatic pistols?


20 posted on 02/20/2007 9:39:25 AM PST by wastedyears ( "Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: Nachoman

My mouth could be classified as a machine gun, able to spit out cuss words at 250wpm. What shall happen to my mouth?


21 posted on 02/20/2007 9:42:48 AM PST by wastedyears ( "Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: IncPen

Here's the latest home rule 'assault weapons ban' passed under the table in Cook County. Daley and his his toadies at work.

06-O-50
ORDINANCE
Sponsored by
THE HONORABLE LARRY SUFFREDIN, COUNTY COMMISSIONER
Co-Sponsored by
THE HONORABLE JOHN P. DALEY AND JOAN PATRICIA MURPHY
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

Amendment to the
“Cook County DEADLY WEAPONS DEALER CONTROL Ordinance”

WHEREAS, the Federal assault weapons ban, of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, as amended, 18 USC Sec. 921 et seq. expired on September 13, 2004; and

WHEREAS, the County Board desires to (1) amend Ordinance 93-O-37, as amended by Ordinance 93-O-46 and Ordinance 99-O-27, Article I, Section 1-2 by striking and deleting language in section 1-2; and (2) amend Ordinance 93-O-37, as amended by Ordinance 93-O-46 and Ordinance 99-O-27, Article VI, by deleting and adding language as stricken through and underlined below.

NOW, THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE HOME RULE AUTHORITY OF THE COOK COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, AS VESTED IN IT BY THE ILLINOIS CONSTITUTION OF 1970, HEREBY AMEND PORTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, AS FOLLOWS:

ARTICLE I. GENERAL PROVISIONS

Section 1-2 Applicability.

(a) This article shall control the licensing of all firearms dealers within Cook County except in home rule municipalities which have a separate municipal ordinance specifically regulating the licensing of firearms dealers.

(b) Pursuant to Article VII, Section 6(c) of the 1970 Constitution of the State of Illinois, if this article conflicts with an ordinance of a home rule municipality, the municipal ordinance shall prevail within its jurisdiction.

ARTICLE VI. ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

Section 6-1 Definitions.

As used in Article VI of this Ordinance, the following terms shall have the following meaning:

(a) “Assault weapon” means:

(1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine detachable or otherwise and one or more of the following:


(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;

(B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;

(D) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or

(E) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;

(2) A semiautomatic pistol or any semi-automatic rifle that has a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;

(3) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(A) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(B) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;

(C) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;

(D) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator; or

(E) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(4) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:

(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;

(B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;

(D) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; or

(E) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;

(5) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

(6) Conversion kit, part or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;


(7) Shall include, but not be limited to, the assault weapons models identified as follows:

(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

(ii) AR-10;

(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

(iv) AR70;

(v) Calico Liberty;

(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

(xi) Saiga;

(xii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

(xiii) SKS with detachable magazine;

(xiv) SLG 95;

(xv) SLR 95 or 96;

(xvi) Steyr AUG;

(xvii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

(xviii) Tavor;

(xix) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

(xx) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

(i) Calico M-110;


(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

(v) Uzi.

(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

(i) Armscor 30 BG;

(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

(iii) Striker 12; or

(iv) Streetsweeper.

(b) “Assault weapon” does not include any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or satisfies the definition of “antique firearm,” stated in this Ordinance, or weapons designed for Olympic target shooting events.

(c) “Detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device, the function of which is to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing chamber, which can be removed from the firearm without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition cartridge.

(d) “Large capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include the following:

(1) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.

(2) A 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.

(3) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

(e) “Muzzle brake“ means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil.

(f) “Muzzle compensator” means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement.

Section 6-2 Assault weapons and large capacity magazines - Sale prohibited - Exceptions.

(a) No person shall manufacture, sell, offer or display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any assault weapon or large capacity magazine. This subsection shall not apply to:


(1) the sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States; or the organized militia of this or any other state; or peace officers to the extent that any such person named in this subsection is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess an assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine and does so while acting within the scope of his or her duties;

(2) transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a non-functioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person.

(b) Any assault weapon or large capacity magazine possessed, sold or transferred in violation of subsection (a) of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized and disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Section 6-2 of this Ordinance.

(c) Any person found in violation of this section shall be sentenced to not more than six months imprisonment or fined not less than $500.00 and not more than $1,000.00, or both.

(d) Any person who, prior to the effective date of the ordinance codified in this Ordinance, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine prohibited by this section shall have 90 days from the effective date of the ordinance to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution hereunder:

(1) To remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from within the limits of the County of Cook; or

(2) To modify the assault weapon or large capacity magazine either to render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it a device no longer defined as an assault weapon or large capacity magazine; or

(3) To surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the Sheriff or his designee for disposal as provided below.

Section 6-3 Destruction of weapons confiscated.

Whenever any firearm or large capacity magazine is surrendered or confiscated pursuant to the terms of this Ordinance, the Sheriff shall ascertain whether such firearm is needed as evidence in any matter.

If such firearm or large capacity magazine is not required for evidence it shall be destroyed at the direction of the Sheriff. A record of the date and method of destruction an inventory or the firearm or large capacity magazine so destroyed shall be maintained.

Approved and adopted this 14th day of November 2006.


22 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:51 AM PST by stanley windrush
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To: ctdonath2
If that energy, even a decent fraction of it, were expended on overturning 922(o), we'd be much farther ahead in much less time.

It's only helpful if Fedgov would follow court rulings.

US v RIA

US v Dalton 

The money quote from US v. RIA

In sum, since enactment of 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o), the Secretary has refused to accept any tax payments to make or transfer a machinegun made after May 19, 1986, to approve any such making or transfer, or to register any such machinegun. As applied to machineguns made and possessed after May 19, 1986, the registration and other requirements of the National Firearms Act, Chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code, no longer serve any revenue purpose, and are impliedly repealed or are unconstitutional. Accordingly, Counts l(a) and (b), 2, and 3 of the superseding indictment are

DISMISSED.




23 posted on 02/20/2007 10:02:49 AM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma

Problem is that ruling only addresses those parts of the NFA supplanted by 922(o). May not have to pay the $200 tax, but now you can't even have something that you otherwise would have been willing to pay the tax on.


24 posted on 02/20/2007 10:07:47 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: wastedyears

Fully automatic anything is outright banned if made after '86, and priced into oblivion if made before.


25 posted on 02/20/2007 10:09:08 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: zeugma

So if you have an MG and use this for a defense? What exactly happens? Has anyone tried using it as precendent setting decisions?


26 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:22 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: stanley windrush
(xvii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14

I guess they haven't been told about the Ruger Mini-30 (which fires the same ammo as the AK-47)

27 posted on 02/20/2007 10:20:31 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: stanley windrush
This subsection shall not apply to:
(1) the sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States

As long as King Richard is safe...

28 posted on 02/20/2007 11:26:14 AM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: ctdonath2
Problem is that ruling only addresses those parts of the NFA supplanted by 922(o). May not have to pay the $200 tax, but now you can't even have something that you otherwise would have been willing to pay the tax on.

Actually, if you look at the ruling, the justification for sect. 922 even being constitutional was based on the ability of congress to tax. Take away the tax nexus, and the entire edifice falls.

This is why Fedgov never appealed the decision. They aren't willing to take the chance on the supremes ruling against them, and thus destroy the entire house of cards they've built their dreams of civilian disarmament upon.

 

29 posted on 02/20/2007 12:00:35 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: Centurion2000
So if you have an MG and use this for a defense? What exactly happens? Has anyone tried using it as precendent setting decisions?

I haven't found any cases where it was used effectively. I have found a few cases that appealed to it as precident, and was accepted as such by the court in question, but the courts tap danced around its aplicability to the situation at hand.

 If the NRA was really interested in getting rid of gun control laws, this is the type of case that would be brought and pushed all the way though the system as noisily as possible. Unfortunately, the NRA is more interested in self-perpetuation than removing its reason for existance.

(beyond the educational works they do.)
 

30 posted on 02/20/2007 12:03:57 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma

Now if I could just remember which case established that NFA was legal only because it was a _tax_ instead of a _ban_, I could end 922(o).


31 posted on 02/20/2007 12:05:56 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2
Now if I could just remember which case established that NFA was legal only because it was a _tax_ instead of a _ban_, I could end 922(o).

IIRC, reference to this was made in one of the two cases I cited earlier. I'll have to read through them both to find it though. 

If I had the money, I'd absolutely take this all the way to the supreme court.

32 posted on 02/20/2007 12:53:41 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma

I don't have the money in the normal sense.
I do, however, have enough for basic filings.
Rattle the cage hard enough and the money will show up.
Actually, I think the case is very straightforward, no major money needed.


33 posted on 02/20/2007 1:05:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: zeugma

The key case is Sonzinsky, which one of your links indirectly references. Thanks!


34 posted on 02/20/2007 1:13:19 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: IncPen

bow and arrow time


35 posted on 02/21/2007 5:04:52 AM PST by Nailbiter
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