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George Will: Confounding Expectations, Giuliani Upends Assumptions
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 2/18/07 | George Will

Posted on 02/19/2007 6:38:26 AM PST by meg88

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To: patriot preacher
Ah, no. Don't try it. I've been Bushed and Doled too often. I've been told to compromise the principles I hold too often. If the Republicans WANT to lose, choose Rudy. I like the guy, but I won't violate my principles to make him president. Not this time.

You compromised your 'principles' in 1996 to vote for Dole, when the election wasn't nearly as important as it is today, but you will not support the troops in a time of war?
21 posted on 02/19/2007 6:59:09 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Liberals & Democrats will agree with you.


22 posted on 02/19/2007 6:59:44 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt

It kind of summed up Kerry's sorry ass campaign.


23 posted on 02/19/2007 7:00:36 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: LtdGovt
Liberals & Democrats will agree with you.

To the contrary. Liberals loved his sleazy, trumped-up grandstanding prosecutions against entrepreneurs such as Michael Milliken. Rudy loved it to since it carried him into the mayor's office.

24 posted on 02/19/2007 7:06:02 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: LtdGovt

that's loved it "too."


25 posted on 02/19/2007 7:06:33 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: meg88

I cannot vote for Giuliani.

On all issues, he is to the left of Joe Lieberman. Every one of them. Joe Lieberman is a democrat.

Giuliani is somewhere to the right of Hillary Clinton, but most sane people are to the right of Hillary Clinton. While I respect the accomplishments of Giuliani, but have no respect for Clinton, I believe that Giuliani's accomplishments were applicable only to NYC and do not translate into qualification for a Federal position.

I view a Clinton/Giuliani choice as a choice between two hard-core anti-Constitutional leftists. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either one.


26 posted on 02/19/2007 7:08:45 AM PST by kidd
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To: meg88
A Republican candidate who has run only municipal campaigns is confounding expectations,

What's confounding about it?

Whether you are for Rudy, against him, on the fence or passionately hate him, you have to acknowledge a few facts.

He not only managed NYC, he did it well. Crime dropped and it was a much better place to be.

NYC is not just any municipality. It's the largest city in the nation. Its population is larger that 45 STATES -- much more than the entire state of Arkansas, which saw its governor spend 8 years in the Oval Office.

NYC is also a national and global city. It is a center of commerce for the entire nation and (like it or hate it) the United Nations is here. It's a giant melting pot where over 100 languages and dialects are spoken. The mayor of NYC deals with dignitaries from around the world and has ample reason for trips abroad (rather than excuses for meaningless junkets).

And, unlike some former NYC mayors, Rudy has gotten deserved national attention for the role he played after 9/11. For the past five years, he has stumped for Republicans and has always been a big drawer.

Why would anyone think that he wouldn't be a player in this election? Again, like him or hate him, Rudy is on par with Hillary for national exposure, and leagues beyond when it comes to experience.

Anyone else in the race that underestimates Rudy will fall to Rudy. Frankly, I don't think any of the GOP candidates underestimate Rudy at all. Just the media.

TS

27 posted on 02/19/2007 7:13:57 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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To: kidd
On all issues, he is to the left of Joe Lieberman. Every one of them. Joe Lieberman is a democrat.

Name those issues and their respective positions.
28 posted on 02/19/2007 7:15:11 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Sure, crime dropped in New York. It also dropped under Clinton nationwide. Does that mean that we should support another term for Bill?


29 posted on 02/19/2007 7:15:39 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Crime dropped in NYC because of Rudy, it dropped at a much faster pace. The national figures look good for Clinton because of people like Rudy that took the bull by the horns and actually did something about it. You couldn't credit Clinton for the drop in crime.


30 posted on 02/19/2007 7:17:24 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Fair enough. Rudy also praises New York gun laws for makign this drop possible. Do you agree with him?


31 posted on 02/19/2007 7:18:48 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: AZRepublican
Rudy is the man

"How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?" Jim Robinson

32 posted on 02/19/2007 7:20:20 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
George Will gets his paycheck from the limousine leftist media establishment...

Congratulations! Dumbest post I have read today.

33 posted on 02/19/2007 7:26:21 AM PST by duckln
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To: meg88

Nominating Guiliani, an American cross-dresser, would complete the switch of the GOP from the party of American interest conservatives to the party of international interest lobbyists. Unfortunately so would McCain. Woe is US.


34 posted on 02/19/2007 7:28:31 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: kidd
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either one

Neither can I (in good conscience), but I would if it came to that ticket. Every conservative who stays home is one less vote Hillary needs to overcome to come to power and fight (or not fight) the WOT her way.
35 posted on 02/19/2007 7:30:35 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: meg88

Nominating Guiliani, an American cross-dresser, would complete the switch of the GOP from the party of American interest conservatives to the party of international interest lobbyists. Unfortunately so would McCain. Woe is US.


36 posted on 02/19/2007 7:31:38 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Austin Willard Wright
No, confounding expectations that Republicans still believe in limited government....but, then, most thinking people know that that that "assumption" is a farce which is perpetuated to keep the conservative sheeple in line on election day.

George W. Bush is not a Reagan Republican. He's a liberal who did not have a party, because the Democrat party has become the party not of liberalism, but of perversion. So the liberals who did not support perversion came over to the Republican camp.

Rudy would take that distinction away from Republicans as well. I'm not sure what would define the Republican party if he were to win the nomination.

Shalom.

37 posted on 02/19/2007 7:32:28 AM PST by ArGee (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Crime dropped in NYC because of Rudy, it dropped at a much faster pace.

Mostly because the rest of the country don't vote like the rocks-for-brains liberals of NYC that elected liberals for decades who turned their city into a cesspool. You know, other places really don't have problems with squeegeemen and public urinaters.
38 posted on 02/19/2007 7:38:49 AM PST by George W. Bush
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You know, other places really don't have problems with squeegeemen and public urinaters.

No. They don't. They seem to enjoy the ones that they have.

Or were you refering to the MURDER, RAPE and VIOLENT CRIME statistics, all of which PLUMMETED under Guiliani. Folks around the country seemed to like those stats just the way they were. Yessirree, Bob! I don't recall any major city (or even any minor) one that had Murder, Arson, or Rape stats of zero, so they ALL had room for improvement. Stat-wise cutting 2 to 1 is a 50% drop, so those small cities shouldn't have had a problem slashing their violent crime rates.

And, please, note my original post, which was not an endorsement of Rudy, but an indictment of anyone who thought that he wasn't going to be a player in this election cycle.

39 posted on 02/19/2007 7:46:23 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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Again, I'm curious. Do you agree with Rudy's praise of New York gun laws (not to mention his similar praise for the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban) for helping to bring about this drop?


40 posted on 02/19/2007 7:52:28 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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