Posted on 02/15/2007 6:47:43 PM PST by Mount Athos
Jaron Dansie was inside a Salt Lake City shopping mall when 18-year old Sulejmen Talovic entered the building, pulled a gun and started shooting people at random. As he took shelter inside one of the shops on the first floor, Dansie pulled out his video camera.
“What the… What the hell's going on?” Dansie can be heard saying on the video, in between a barrage of loud gunshots. Dansie, a wedding videographer, said that turning his video camera on was not the first thing on his mind. But his actions led to an intense visual record of the tragic events that happened inside the downtown Trolley Square mall during some of its worst moments.
“I heard [a victim] yelling, ‘Stop, stop, please don't shoot… don't shoot.’ And then heard more shots,” he said. Dansie actually made his way out into the hallway before he started recording, but when he heard gunshots in a shop next door, he ran back.
“When I finally walked past the camera and saw it… I thought, ‘I gotta start filming this,” Dansie said. Startled and panicked, Dansie loaded a tape into his camcorder and got into position – partly hunkered down in the store. Moments later, he says a uniformed Salt Lake City Police officer walked in with his gun drawn. Then, an off-duty police officer, Kenneth Hammond, can be heard identifying himself outside. Dansie, however, wasn't going anywhere.
Seconds later on the tape, Hammond joins the officers to search for the gunman. Then, as both officers see Talovic, Hammond turned and ran for cover. For the next several seconds, shotgun blasts and gunfire from police officers can be heard outside -- followed by silence. Talovic, the gunman, was dead – shot by officers.
In all, the tragedy lasted just six minutes.
It's on the phone video at the top of this thread.
Thanks, Cindy.
Valentine's Day Massacre, the Jihad???
Why, haven't you heard the FBI statement that it's in no way connected to terrorism, and that the Salt Lake PD has been unable to think of any motive for Talovic to exhibit Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?
But there's another interesting story that to my knowledge noone else has yet linked to Sulejmen Talovic. It's almost as if noone wants to even consider the possibility that the mall shootings might be related to the Religion of Peace....
But though its origins are Roman rather than Christian, the celebration of Valentine's Day has been particularly despised by Hindus and Muslums:
Although it is associated by legend with a Catholic saint named Valentine, Valentine's Day is not a religious holiday and never really has been. Valentine's Day has historical roots mainly in Greco-Roman pagan fertility festivals and the medieval notion that birds pair off to mate on February 14.
The feast of St. Valentine was first declared to be on February 14 by Pope Gelasius I around 498. It is said the pope created the day to counter the practice held on Lupercalia, but this is not attested in any sources from that era.
In ancient Rome, February 15 was Lupercalia, the festival of Lupercus (or Faunus), the god of fertility. As part of the purification ritual, the priests of Lupercus would sacrifice goats and a dog to the god, and after drinking wine, they would run through the streets of Rome striking anyone they met with pieces of the goat skin. Young women would come forth voluntarily for the occasion, believing that being touched by the goat skin would render them fertile. Young men would also draw names from an urn, choosing their "blind date" for the coming year. In 494 AD the Christian church under Pope Gelasius I appropriated the some aspects of the rite as the Feast of the Purification.
Valentine's Day backlash has occurred in many Muslim countries. In Pakistan in 2004, the Jamaat-e-Islami party, an Islamist organization, called for a ban on Valentine's Day. One of its leaders dismissed it as "a shameful day" when Westerners "are just fulfilling and satisfying their sex thirst." Also in 2004, the government of Saudi Arabia issued an edict declaring that "there are only two holidays in Islam - Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha - and any other holidays ... are inventions which Muslims are banned from." Police closely monitored stores selling roses and some women were arrested for wearing red.
Despite this official opposition from authorities, many people in Middle Eastern countries seem to be enjoying the new holiday. One shopper, buying a red heart-and-rose card for her son-in-law, is reported as having dismissed the backlash as "only rigidity and cultural backwardness. Through the crackdown, they only buy people's greater hatred and enmity."
We really need to stop using the word "tragedy" in situations like this. 5 kids getting run over by a bus is a "tragedy".
Concur. Compare with Australian reportage of a similar New Years Day Sudden Jihadi Syndrome attack near the Broken Hill mining camp in New South Wales. They get it.
Somehow I don't think someone prone to shooting up a mall is going to research the history of the day in multi-millenial detail. Simply viewing it as an "infidel's celebration of immorality" is motive enough.
There was another thread that discussed the "Allah Akbar" part at some length.
A lot of people on that thread said what was said was "OP, OP" or "OB, OB" then "Ogden Police." That's possible, but what I hear is "Ogden Police, Ogden Police" THEN "Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar."
Will be buried.
It doesn't matter if a white supremacist is a member of the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, some other group, or operating independently. Violent outburts and tendencies are still dangerous to the targets of that hate.
That Imam that was fired from the West Valley Mosque only a few weeks ago... is that the same mosque that this kid would have attended?
Unknown; the family resided in the Fairpark neighborhood. Also unknown: Where Talovic's father attended services, if he did. Per Reuters report:
Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday's shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said.*more* from and about Talovic Senior.
They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Sulejman's grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo said.
When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Sulejman and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo said.
I note that the *Khadeeja Islamic Center* is on Parkway Ave, near the Hwy201-I15 junction. The father's residence is said to be in the FairPark area, about 3 miles north of there.
#2: Khadeeja Islamic Center
1019 W Parkway Ave, West Valley, UT
(801) 972-6555 -
Grief-stricken father wonders what provoked his son to kill
A heartbroken and bewildered Suljo Talovic, father of 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talovic, says he had no idea before Monday's Trolley Square shootings that his son had weapons.
Michael Brandy,
Deseret Morning News
Sabira Talovic grieves in the doorway of her home in Salt Lake City.
The teen's father said Thursday that he wants to find out who gave them to his son and what — and perhaps who else — was behind the killings.
Police say they have not been able to find a motive so far. Nor have they seen any indication that the killings were based on race or religion.
In a series of four interviews, some by telephone and one at the family home in Salt Lake City's Fairpark neighborhood, the 42-year-old Talovic apologized over and over about the events of Monday night.
The funny thing about this is that I originally heard it the second time but was not sure. In fact I entered this in my daily journal for yesterday:
KUTV Channel Two local CBS affiliate here in SLC released a video taken by a person hiding in a gift shop inside of Trolley Square during the shootout with the shooter. I listened to it very closely and found the Islamic war cry, Allahu Akbar repeated three times. There are more gunshots and then I thought I heard the war cry another two times; however, I was not sure about the last two times.
Now, others have heard both times in their listening to the tapes; and, I said nothing to anyone about the second war cries! People have been kind enough to use audio editing software to buffer and clean the audio up and have heard it. Many have heard the first time it is shouted, but few have heard the second time.
The end of the whole matter for me is that it was on the tape and it was not just me thinking I heard it. I really did hear it
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1786291/posts
Sorry about missdirection in last ping!
Ever since Satan used the murderous pedophile Mohammed to establish Islam, it has been at war with the human race.
Oh, sure, some bad Muslims wimp out on its primary directives -- murder and conquest -- but every few hundred years it gains enough momentum to do great harm.
It just infuriates me that these malefactors are working to ruin the greatest country in the history of man.
Islam is rising to threaten Civilzation itself -- again. Jan Sobieski, where are you when we need you?
Expel all Muslims from America now!
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