Not a pardonable offense (Border Patrol Barf Alert)

San Diego tribune ^ | 02/10/2007 | Ruben Navarrette

[F.J. Mitchell]

"am I alone in this bothering me?" Hopefully, yes!

[RJL]

Ramos and Compean testified they made a point of looking at the suspect's hands and saw no weapon. Compean fired at least 14 rounds and Ramos fired once.

Hey Ruben Navarrette, since the trial transcripts haven't released, let's have a source for this so we can be sure it's not from the same Johnny Sutton who also lied when he claimed the illegal drug smuggler was shot in the back.

Ramos wounded the suspect and saw him limp into Mexico. The agents collected the shell casings and filed false reports, trying to cover up the incident.

Again, please source this incriminating statement that could only have come from Mr. Ramos. Every other report I've read said the illegal drug smuggler ran back to Mexico seemingly uninjured.

[muleskinner]

no

[F.J. Mitchell]

That statement wasn't incriminating in the least. Anyone who ever worked for the government in any capacity that required familiarization with weapons and target practice, are always equally indoctrinated into always policing up the brass.

[Spunky]

From article:Ramos and Compean testified they made a point of looking at the suspect's hands and saw no weapon. Compean fired at least 14 rounds and Ramos fired once.

Who is the Reubin Navarette guy who wrote this article? From everything else I have read this statement is a lie. All the articles I have read said they thought they saw him with a gun in his hand. Besides who believes that a drug runner would be running drugs without carring a wheapon? NOT ME!

[muleskinner]

Every other report I've read said the illegal drug smuggler ran back...

What reports? WND? The info. I read, from the D.A.'s office (your pal J.Sutton), states they shot him, hit him in the bootoks, and left him laying were he fell. Then picked up the spent brass.

[RJL]

That statement wasn't incriminating in the least. Anyone who ever worked for the government in any capacity that required familiarization with weapons and target practice, are always equally indoctrinated into always policing up the brass.

You're correct, I didn't mean to cut and paste the second sentence.

Also a poor choice of words, I was trying to point out that only Ramos knows what Ramos saw, and every report I've seen indicated that the illegal drug smuggler easily ran back into Mexico seemingly uninjured.

[CGTRWK]

Mr. Sutton, you are a liar. The court record shows your office made dozens of motions to exclude witness and facts you didn't want on the record.

To be fair, that type of abuse is exactly how adversarial courts work. A legal system, not a justice system.

[bigdcaldavis]

If anybody should be put in gen-pop, it's the criminal prosecutor for violating their civil rights and the criminal warden for participating in a criminal cover-up of the beating of Ramos and not allowing him to have medical treatment for his injuries. Both of them deserve to be prags.

[RJL]

What reports? WND? The info. I read, from the D.A.'s office (your pal J.Sutton)

No no, not my pal. Tar & feathers followed by running him into Mexico on a rail is far too good for Johnny Sutton.

I may have been unclear, but as I have since clarified, I am firmly and absolutely on the side of the Border Patrol Agents Messrs. Ramos & Compean.

[sean327]

"Am I alone in this bothering me?"

No, the fact that these guys attempted to cover up evidence bothers me also. This is not a cut and dried case on either side. The drug smuggler got shot attempting to bring his poison into the U.S. and in my opinion got what he deserved. The Border Patrol Agents proved they were not rocket scientists by romoving evidence from the scene, so they got what they deserved, no one is above the law, and these guys know that.

[org.whodat]

"am I alone in this bothering me?" Hopefully, yes!

There has been dozens of threads on this, look them up and read them, make up your own mind.

[Hacksaw]

It is amazing how lazy the press has become. Just quote the DA, don't bother investigating, don't question questionable assertions, just let your friends tell you how it is and report what they told you.

And publish a Carl Levin press release as Pentagon consensus.

[investigateworld]

Can't argue with that~ But it seems that Sutton (via his office) filed the majority of the motions. Of course we don't know the details as the transcript still is notavailable.

And even then, with the redactions, we still won't know. Why the redactions?

What the borders are now some kind of national security issue? LOL !

[DaveyB]

What reports? WND? The info. I read, from the D.A.'s office ...

WND has and admits what's motivating their coverage, ie their bias. The real question is is what is motivating Sutton? Drug money, a wide open boarder preference from DC, blackmail or (it is a long shot) integrity?

The latter seems less plausible considering:

• the charge he prosecuted carried the greatest prison time of any charge he could have brought
• the lies told to congress
• the firing of the witnesses who testified against the agents
• that a drug pirate knew how to get in touch with a HLS brass
• in order to get these two behind bars a known Mexican drug runner slime was given the get out of jail free card
• at least two of the jurors said they were not given proper instructions
• this whole thing smells like two week old fish...

Only an fool would not question Sutton and what is really going on. The facts right now seem to be a casualty of someones agenda. Transcripts please - oh and pardon the agents!

[RGSpincich]

Am I alone in this bothering me?

No but the facts are skewered by the irrationalogues. Such as above the poster states that the supervisors were present during the shooting. They were not. They were at the scene of the shooting to investigate the van and the getaway of the smuggler. Nobody told them about the shooting and the shell casing evidence had been removed.

[oldtimer]

So now the Mexican drug smuggler is suing the US for 5million.

The National Gaurd is running away from the armed criminals, because they can't defend themselves.

The Mexican government is furnishing Spanish text books to border state American students which include references to taking the territory back to Mexican hands (Texas, NMex, Ariz, and, of course Kalifornistan)

This Country has gone nuts, and as a Texan and long time supporter of the POTUS, I cannot forgive him for not digging in his heels.

Of course the downside is that the legal and illegals vote rat, taking the Country into the abyss of socialism or worse with Osama Obama or the sheSatan.

[Godwin1]

Navarette's "reconquista" embrace is simply one more indication that Sutton is corrupt and must go now. Because of Sutton, a foreign drug dealer is swaggering around free while the brave American cops who stopped him are locked up.
The Agents need to be released now, before Sutton's drug dealer associates have them murdered prison.

[dennisw]

Why did they do this???? This is probably the reason they are in jail and most likely the reason they have not been pardoned yet. I just don't like the idea they covered it up. Am I alone in this bothering me?

I sure hope so. I could care less about the shell casings. What I do care about is seeing the US Attorney putting Mexican drug pushers in prison, not US Border Patrol agents

By and large the George Bush administration refuses to enforce immigration laws.
But they sure seem zealous when it comes to prosecuting Border Patrol agents

[dennisw]

The Border Patrol Agents proved they were not rocket scientists by romoving evidence from the scene, so they got what they deserved, no one is above the law, and these guys know that.

Bull!! Illegal aliens are above the law. Why isn't the George Bush administration enforcing our immigration laws? It could enforce existing employer sanction laws and identity theft laws and millions of illegals would self deport