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Al-Qaeda's anti-aircraft squads ~ with Iran's assistance doing serious damage to copters in Iraq...
The Fourth Rail ^ | February 7 , 2007 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 02/07/2007 10:39:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Al-Qaeda in Iraq is believed to be operating Strela missile teams, courtesy of Iran

An AH-64 Apache. Click photo to view.

The past three weeks has seen a dramatic increase in the downing of U.S. helicopters operating in central Iraq. Five helos have been shot down since January 20th, four U.S. Army helos and a civilian Blackwater helo. Twenty-six Americans have been killed in the five shoot-downs.

The five helicopters lost represents ten percent of all such aircraft lost since Operation Iraqi Freedom began, with fifty total lost. The timing and increase in downed helos is no accident, American military and intelligence sources inform us.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq is believed to be behind four of the five shoot-downs: the CH-46 transport in Karma, February 7th (7 killed); the Apache attack helicopter in Taji, February 2 (2 killed); the Blackwater OH-6A observation helicopter in Baghdad, January 23 (5 civilians killed), and the Blackhawk transport in Diyala, January 20 (12 killed). The three military helos are thought to have been brought down by a sholder fired anti-aircraft weapon, while the Blackwater bird was thought to have been brought down by small arms fire. The January 28 Apache shoot-down in Najaf, with 2 killed, is believed to be caused by the Soldiers of Heaven cult.

The two military and intelligence sources believe al-Qaeda has organized a grouping of cells, whose purpose is to deny Coalition forces the free use of helicopters to ferry troops, resupply outlying areas, and conduct assault missions. Al-Qaeda wants to force Coalition forces to use ground transportation, where it believes heavier casualties can be inflicted on U.S. forces via roadside bombing and mine attacks (IEDs). Helicpoter shoot-downs also "make for compelling television," according to a military source, which "helps project the image of a deadly, unbeatable enemy." Al-Qaeda is believed to have deployed multiple anti-aircraft cells along the known overflight routes in and around Baghdad.

The cells are thought to be armed with Russian made Strela SA-7 anti-aircraft missiles, a first generation shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile which is widely distributed throughout the world. These weapons are not as sophisticated as U.S. made Stingers, which were used with deadly consequences by mujahideen in Afghanistan against Soviet fixed and rotary wing aircraft. U.S. aircraft have systems to deter missile threats (jammers, flairs, chaff) but there are no reports these systems were deployed during any of the engagements.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq, via its political mouthpiece the Islamic State in Iraq, has taken credit for two of the kills. Al-Qaeda gloated it shot down the Apache in Taji, and even released a video of the Apache being taken down. Al-Qaeda in Iraq has also claimed credit for today's downing of the CH-46 transport in Karma.

In the past, al-Qaeda was largely limited to deploying anti-aircraft missiles to protect command and leadership assets. MANPADs were in view in Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's last video before his death. When U.S. forces were hunting Zarqawi in Yusifiyah, several helicopters were brought down during the battles.

It is surprising al-Qaeda has not made a more concerted effort to bring down Coalition aircraft. The military, political, and propaganda value of destroying U.S. helicopters is too great to be ignored. It has been speculated al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't possess enough weapons systems or training to effectively field the missiles.

The suspicion is the Islamic Republic of Iran is behind supplying al-Qaeda with the needed weapons, training and logistical support to supply and field a successful anti-aircraft force, much as the United States provided the mujahideen with Stingers in Afghanistan in the 1980s.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqueda; bokoharam; bombbombbombbombiran; iran; iraq; lebanon
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1 posted on 02/07/2007 10:39:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; ...

fyi


2 posted on 02/07/2007 10:41:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran (big time).










3 posted on 02/07/2007 10:42:24 PM PST by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Seems like Iran is acting like we did when we supplied the SAM's to the Afghan's.
4 posted on 02/07/2007 10:45:50 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman (The Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt the man doing it!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

whats the price of 1 machine and 7 American lives? for one strella?

someone should take the wind out of their suppliers sails.


5 posted on 02/07/2007 10:47:49 PM PST by himno hero
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To: himno hero
someone should take the wind out of their suppliers sails.

Exactly, if we lose a chopper, we should take out an Iranian air field. We see a vehicle coming across the border, we take out the vehicle and wherever it came from. They need to learn to fear getting involved.

6 posted on 02/07/2007 10:53:03 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The suspicion is the Islamic Republic of Iran is behind supplying al-Qaeda with the needed weapons...
I think the thing to do would be to remove US troops from the Balkans, and watch as the Iranians flood in there. The EU's opposition to military action against Iran will evaporate quickly -- or there will burning cars across Euro-countries other than France.
7 posted on 02/07/2007 10:54:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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8 posted on 02/07/2007 10:55:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is a big hurt for the lives lost, but it is good we find out now in order to make alterations to the plans.

What am I talking about? I have seen the footage of the kind of fire the Apache was subject to in development, and it is a surprise that it is brought down by man pads.

Well maybe not, depending on the numbers launched at it from all angles. In other words, it may have been the target of a barrage, which cant be replicated everyday by the enemy.
9 posted on 02/07/2007 10:56:37 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: txroadkill

i think the price of intermeddling should be higher. 10 fold the losses to the humanitarian efforts in ME democracy.

IMO


10 posted on 02/07/2007 10:56:53 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Taking all these punches from Iran without payback is getting old. Decades old.


11 posted on 02/07/2007 11:00:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: TigersEye

Doesn't seem to bother those on the left!


12 posted on 02/07/2007 11:03:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bush has done and continues to do nothing to Iran and Syria. They in turn continue to kill our troops and now, they will have 20 thousand more handcuffed troops to shoot at.... because we continue to fight with WORSE-THAN-NAM rules of engagement.

Split it up, Split and crush Iran with ICBMs... let see them shoot those down.

Otherwise we will continue to waste billions and BLOOD.
Heck, if there was peace in Iraq tomorrow

THE FINAL PRODUCT WOULD BE -
an oil rich shiite controlled country that considers US to be INFIDELS! opps that is the exact definition of Iran...wow.
13 posted on 02/07/2007 11:05:34 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Have to agree with number three ... bomb the hell out of them to get their attention. There is a world wide war for the dominance of civilizations afoot. Do we want to lose that to fourteenth century primitives waging war against Western Civilization?


14 posted on 02/07/2007 11:09:20 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TomasUSMC

perhaps our role should be crusaders?


15 posted on 02/07/2007 11:10:30 PM PST by himno hero
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To: TomasUSMC

Well and truly stated!


16 posted on 02/07/2007 11:10:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Defending America isn't a Democratic's concern.


17 posted on 02/07/2007 11:16:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Marine_Uncle; section9; Nick Danger; Allegra; Dog
"The cells are thought to be armed with Russian made Strela SA-7 anti-aircraft missiles, a first generation shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile which is widely distributed throughout the world."

The SA-7, HN-5, and the various Ayn as Saqr variants only have 2.5 pounds of high explosive. They seek out tailpipes.

One quick field response would be to weld longer exhausts down and away from one side of each helicopter. 10 feet away from the engine/fuel tank/cockpit would make a world of difference against 2.5 pounds of HE.

The launchers for those missiles have passive radio frequency receivers that point the operator toward an aircraft that is transmiting radio, has a Mode-3 or later transponder, or has an active radar. May have to turn those off for a while, boys.

Also, keep in mind that Al Qaeda was working on a chain-based ground system in Iraq to take out helicopters, plus Iran is fielding air-burst proximity-fused RPG's.

Owning the skies doesn't mean that you own the dust-zones. Helicopters are vulnerable to these new threats. Just as cavalry adapted in the past, obseleting old horses and embracing new modes of transportation, so too may we have to do it again (and expect similar levels of b!tc#ing from the horse lovers).

18 posted on 02/07/2007 11:34:31 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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FYI, passive radio frequency receivers were what Hezbollah used last year to roughly track the location/direction of Israel's tanks in Lebanon...

So passive radio frequency receivers aren't just being used against our helicopters in Iraq.


19 posted on 02/07/2007 11:37:43 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The amount of over due payback soon to be directed at Iran's terrorist thugs is mounting with each passing day.


20 posted on 02/08/2007 12:33:59 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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