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Accused Marine's hearing resumes Friday [NCIS in the Hotseat in Hamdania-Related Hearing]
The North County Times ^ | January 25, 2007 | Mark Walker

Posted on 01/26/2007 6:07:49 AM PST by RedRover

CAMP PENDLETON ---- The credibility of three Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents and three enlisted men will be at issue today when a hearing for a Marine officer accused of assaulting Iraqi civilians resumes at Camp Pendleton.

The issue arose earlier this month when a lawyer for 2nd Lt. Nathan Phan alleged that statements prepared by the agents based on interviews with the three enlisted men included fabricated material that implicated his client.

The contention from attorney David Sheldon prompted Lt. Col. William Pigott, who is presiding over Phan's Article 32 hearing, to halt the proceedings until the agents could be present to testify.

The hearing will lead to a recommendation from Pigott as to whether he believes the convening authority, Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis, should order Phan to face court-martial.

Sheldon and Phan's two military attorneys contend they have sworn, signed affidavits from the three enlisted Marines stating they never told the Navy and Marine Corps' law enforcement agency that they saw the lieutenant strike anyone.

Phan was charged in August with assaulting three Iraqi men in the village of Hamdania last year and placing an unloaded pistol in the mouth of one of the alleged victims. He also is accused of making a false official statement.

The hearing is to resume at 8 a.m. today and continue into Saturday. Mattis can either accept or reject the ultimate recommendation from the hearing officer, and he has the same sort of discretion when it comes to a judicial finding and sentence should Phan be ordered to trial and convicted.

Sheldon said this week that he planned an "aggressive examination" of agents who took the enlisted men's statements during interview sessions in Iraq last spring. He also said he expects to call two of the three enlisted Marines to the stand. The third has already testified that he never told agents he saw Phan commit an assault.

An issue that has arisen from Sheldon's assertion is the Naval Criminal Investigative Service's practice of not taping its interviews. Agents instead prepare a typewritten document based on their interviews and then present it to the witness or suspect interviewed to review and to sign as a sworn statement.

Sheldon said he also wants to know why the agency typically tapes drug or stolen property buys conducted by undercover agents, but does not employ the practice in its interview sessions.

Agency officials at its headquarters in Washington say the methodology is under review, with consideration being given to taping statements.

Phan's attorneys maintain that the 26-year-old Sacramento area native is innocent and that Marine Corps prosecutors have failed to submit any evidence that he made a false statement. They also contend that evidence being used to prosecute the assault charge does not establish that he ever struck any Iraqi.

Prosecutors, however, point to the statements the enlisted men made in Iraq and the guilty plea by a Marine corporal last week in an unrelated homicide case as sufficient evidence of wrongdoing.

On Jan. 18, Cpl. Trent Thomas pleaded guilty to murder and related charges in the April 26 shooting death of a 52-year-old Iraqi man in Hamdania. Thomas also pleaded guilty to assaulting one of the men that Phan also is accused of beating, and made reference while being questioned by the judge presiding over his case to seeing the lieutenant place a pistol in the mouth of an Iraqi detainee.

The assault case arose out of the investigation of the homicide. Five of the eight men from Camp Pendleton's Kilo Company from the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment charged in that case have pleaded guilty to offenses related to the slaying.

Phan was the platoon commander over the men charged in the homicide case but was not present when the killing took place and is not implicated in it in any way.

A pretrial hearing for the squad leader in the homicide case, Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins III, was on the Camp Pendleton court calendar for Monday but it was not immediately clear whether that session will take place.

Contact staff writer Mark Walker at (760) 740-3529 or mlwalker@nctimes.com.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defendourmarines; haditha; hamdania; ncis
Related thread (with an illustrated version of this story): NCIS: Lies and No Video Tape
1 posted on 01/26/2007 6:07:52 AM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover
Protect the men and women in your command and go to jail.
Reminds me of another profession on our southern border.
Real war is hell, unless one is expected to be a PC soldier. For to be a PC soldier with war is a hell all of its own! When will the PCers ever learn. Its not PC to not be PC, so begin an interrogation of the enemy by killing or imprisoning our officers. What a shame, we live in a PC country!
2 posted on 01/26/2007 6:25:21 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: the mo; Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; fishergirl; TNdandelion; slipper; Eagles6; jazusamo; smoothsailing; ..
PING!

Today's a big day. This is a major development in the unfolding story of the methods employed by tbe NCIS to put innocent Marines in prison.

Why would NCIS agents fabricate evidence? Career advancement? Political pressure? Maybe we'll begin to get some answers that will help end this monstrous charade.

3 posted on 01/26/2007 6:36:00 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: RedRover

My recollect is that NCIS is composed prmarily of silly-villians.
If Mister Phan's case stands up, NCIS should be forced to provide him appropriate compensation.
Once your Ethic is questioned, your career is over.

SF


4 posted on 01/26/2007 7:00:05 AM PST by Gunny P (Gunny P)
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To: Gunny P
There was a related thread: NCIS Exposed: US v Petty Officer Daniel King.

In that case, charges were dropped after Petty Officer King had been held in confinement for more than a year and a half. He was released, ruined financially, and without even an apology.

5 posted on 01/26/2007 7:31:41 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: RedRover

Re. the defense's question on why NCIS agents did not tape the interrogations --

"Agency officials at its headquarters in Washington say the methodology is under review, with consideration being given to taping statements."

NCIS has been saying this for decades. Every time they are accused of lying or using questionable tactics in their interrogations, this is the standard reponse. We're thinking about doing it --- someday. What could they possibly be afraid of? What is the big deal? Wouldn't it remove all doubts and give more credibility to their findings?


6 posted on 01/26/2007 7:33:04 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

That's an excellent observation. The NCIS is clearly reluctant to give up its ace in the hole. In some cases, at least, if the NCIS didn't invent evidence, they wouldn't have any evidence at all.


7 posted on 01/26/2007 7:58:35 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: RedRover

NIS (Hollywood refers to it as NCIS) has a tendancy to do this. they mislead - have seen it before, and don't like it. Watched one of my own guys crash and burn because of false statements - and the end result could not be overcome: BCD.


8 posted on 01/26/2007 9:48:39 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: RedRover

BCD....bad conduct discharge?


9 posted on 01/26/2007 10:37:14 AM PST by lilycicero (I believe SSGT Wuterich did his job well.)
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To: RedRover

Thanks for the update.


10 posted on 01/26/2007 11:38:28 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: RedRover

NCIS and JAGS are uniformed Nifongs about 99% of the time. It's all about careers and scalp hanging. Justice and truth be damned.


11 posted on 01/26/2007 12:11:45 PM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: RedRover

"Why would NCIS agents fabricate evidence? Career advancement? Political pressure? Maybe we'll begin to get some answers that will help end this monstrous charade."

One word.....klintonistas!

This has been the source of every leak, bad press, and clouds that have been hectoring this administration. If the administration had swept clean every vestige of the evil in place, it is doubtful as many problems would have persisted.

Ruefully,
top sends


12 posted on 01/26/2007 12:30:29 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! "On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" By David Grossman)
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To: petro45acp
"Mattis can either accept or reject the ultimate recommendation from the hearing officer, and he has the same sort of discretion when it comes to a judicial finding and sentence should Phan be ordered to trial and convicted."

This is key! If the NCIS is shown to have given false testimoney and the Convenning authority (Mattis) moves forward, you will know the power behinde the thrown.

Another key to note is, these folks are directly invovled with the pendleton 8 investigation, If they are shown to be liars (I believe) Then all that has been done to those Marines needs to be thrown out, and they should be made to answer for there illegal actions and the false reports that have come to play.
13 posted on 01/26/2007 2:14:53 PM PST by flightline (they fight for us,We fight for them........!)
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To: RedRover
"Prosecutors, however, point to the statements the enlisted men made in Iraq and the guilty plea by a Marine corporal last week in an unrelated homicide case as sufficient evidence of wrongdoing.

On Jan. 18, Cpl. Trent Thomas pleaded guilty to murder and related charges in the April 26 shooting death of a 52-year-old Iraqi man in Hamdania. Thomas also pleaded guilty to assaulting one of the men that Phan also is accused of beating, and made reference while being questioned by the judge presiding over his case to seeing the lieutenant place a pistol in the mouth of an Iraqi detainee."

Red, this is part of what I talked to you about, They needed time to work on Thomas before the hearing today, If you were told you were going to jail for 20-25 years if you did not play the game and get half with good time to go home, with no other options, What would you do!

This is what they do to get plea deals, Its not about truth, They do NOT want any of this in a courts-marshal, They would be exposed and so would the media for there reporting. This is why NCIS and the media are working in tandem, Then add Murtha and his connections. A libel suit would open doors to a further look to his connections and past. BIG odds at stake for the Gov. and the media at the ex pence of our hero's, They are not left with options.
14 posted on 01/26/2007 2:29:55 PM PST by flightline (they fight for us,We fight for them........!)
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To: RedRover

I would recommend to any military member when having to talk to an investigator to say the following, "I want a lawyer."

No matter what. If your a witness, the accused those should be your first words.


15 posted on 01/26/2007 3:00:02 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: flightline

I was thinking the same thing this morning. The accusations about false statements by NCIS re. Lt. Phan came out on the 11th or 12th. Thomas has been locked up since last May or June and pleaded not guilty. All of a sudden about the 18th or 19th, he pleads guilty and miraculously his testimony about Phan with the gun in the mouth is produced. Just in time save the NCIS agents from their false evidence.

From the Boston Globe, "Thomas is to be sentenced in the coming weeks. He faces up to life in prison without the possibility of parole, though under his plea agreement he is likely to receive a more lenient sentence."

So long story short, NCIS plead out another case to get an independent statement to cover their lies/mistake in Phan's case. Hmmmmm.


16 posted on 01/26/2007 3:02:39 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
your exactly rite. The American people it seems have never been so far disconnected from our military as they are now, Do not misunderstand me, We all care Nation wide, The MSN has created the disconnect with the Gov. in hiding this stuff from them.
The job is to get this info to them!! by doing what we are doing.

The UCMJ is the evolution of the old ARTICLES OF WAR. The UCMJ came to be from public and veteran out cry after the second world war. Congress is complicit and complacent due to lack of oversight, and oversight only for political expediency. If you check out the COX report, you will find it was done for the 50th anniversary of the UCMJ. The report card was a complete F, and the system continues to run rampid and run over the very people who fight for us and believe in the system. They have more to fear from this than the enemy they fight, So we need to fight here while they fight for us there........where is army lawyer???
17 posted on 01/26/2007 3:59:47 PM PST by flightline (they fight for us,We fight for them........!)
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