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When Faith Goes Too Far
http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=33063 ^ | February 2007 | Daveed Gartenstein-Ross

Posted on 01/21/2007 6:56:03 AM PST by proudofthesouth

http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=33063

Very interesting article about a Jew who became a Muslim and then left the Muslim faith.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: islam; radical

1 posted on 01/21/2007 6:56:04 AM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: proudofthesouth

"Faith" has nothing to do with it.

The person is unstable. Don't blame that on "faith".


2 posted on 01/21/2007 7:04:10 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: proudofthesouth
His message was clear -- if a Muslim lives in a corrupt environment, he will be corrupted.

That means move to a Muslim country. Praise be to Allah for this wisdom! Clear out of America and Europe before it is too late.

3 posted on 01/21/2007 7:05:17 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: proudofthesouth

This "Jew" had major issues going on to become a Muslim!

Muslims HATE Jews!

Remember Daniel Pearl? They cut his head off solely because he was a Jew.


4 posted on 01/21/2007 7:05:21 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

I read the article in RD and thought that FReepers would find it interesting.

At least he had the good sense to leave Islam.


5 posted on 01/21/2007 7:07:45 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: proudofthesouth
This is what happens when faith (in false prophets) goes too far....this guy is just a creepy nutjob.




6 posted on 01/21/2007 7:09:41 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: proudofthesouth

He wanted the religion and order he never had; I'm sure his feelings for his parents played a part as well.

This should have given him a clue:

It was during my junior year at Wake Forest University, in 1997, that I first learned about Islam. One friend in the dorm was a moderate Muslim whose faith led him to become a campus activist, fighting religious prejudice and homophobia. His convictions appealed to me, and I was envious of the spiritual anchor in his life.

At the end of the worship, I walked outside with Sheikh Hassan, who waved his hand at the beautiful green peaks surrounding us. "You'll be compromised if you stay in this kafir [infidel] country," he said. "Just look at all these homosexuals." The shock of these words never left me.

It seems he had other issues leading to his self-hate as well.


7 posted on 01/21/2007 7:14:24 AM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: stm

Waco wasn't a problem of faith, but of government and should not be lumped with Jonestown. Koresh could have been handled without tanks and incendiaries. Don't people have the right to be nuts in this country anymore?


8 posted on 01/21/2007 7:22:15 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: stm
This article appeared in this month's Reader's Digest.

It is quite telling about some of the workings of the Islam movement that is in this country.

9 posted on 01/21/2007 7:22:57 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: AliVeritas

And, all of this at a Baptist school!


10 posted on 01/21/2007 7:42:19 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: steve8714

They can, but they can't make illegal arms, beat and terrorize people and have sex with children all in the name of "faith".

Koresh and Jones were evil cult leaders. But they were very persuasive in their arguments to suck people into their "flock".


11 posted on 01/21/2007 8:45:34 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: proudofthesouth

Good posting, it turned out to be a very good article, and revealing of Muslims in America.


12 posted on 01/21/2007 9:01:25 AM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: proudofthesouth
Thank you for gently chastising me ...

I now read the article.

"At my apartment, I would read fatwas online, looking for spiritual guidance. But more and more, I began to analyze them critically. As I read about the need to subjugate women, about how anyone who leaves the Muslim faith and does not repent and return to it "will be killed as a kafir and apostate," I realized that I harbored real moral doubts about radical Islam. And now there were no ardent fundamentalists around me to help keep those doubts at bay."

It's easy to see the slow seduction. Thankfully this guy ventured out of darkness and saw the light.
13 posted on 01/21/2007 9:22:54 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: stm

The beatings, the sex with children, these are allegations which will never see court. Koresh PROBABLY did those things, but I find it strange that the party most likely to oppose the death penalty for Saddam and captured enemy combatants executed these people with military ordnance.


14 posted on 01/21/2007 9:23:30 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: steve8714

You of course are assuming that the Branch Dividians did not start the fires, which I believe they did and which there is distinct photographic evidence. I have yet to ever see a CS canister start a fire, ever. And if you want to talk about military ordnance, the Branch Dividians far out gunned the BATF and FBI in that department. No agents were armed with hand grenades and .50 caliber machine guns.


15 posted on 01/21/2007 9:57:22 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: stm

Koresh could have been apprehended in town; cut off the head of the snake...


16 posted on 01/21/2007 10:19:34 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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