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McCain does about-face on grassroots reform bill
The Hill ^ | January 18, 2007 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 01/18/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by neverdem

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To: freedomfiter2

That's my guess. If McCain doesn't get the Repub nod for President, and if the Dems maintain their Senate majority in 2008, he'll switch parties is my best guess.

He knows he's a liberal and so do we. They'll not offer him much unless they end up with a tied Senate in 2008, but at least he'll be part of the leadership if the dems hold their majority.


51 posted on 01/18/2007 9:19:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: neverdem

Excuse me for asking this, but what about the Constitutionality of this provision? Amendment #1: Congress shall make no law restricting speech or the exercise thereof.

Doesn't leave any room for reporting requirements on your speech.

We know it's unconstitutional. Why doesn't anyone say that?


52 posted on 01/18/2007 9:23:06 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: neverdem
When it comes to McKeating...er, McCain....

The McCain-Feingold Indian Giving Loophole

...it always pays to read the fine print.

53 posted on 01/18/2007 9:24:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: AmishDude
"The fact that McCain wants all of these restrictions have nothing to do with some idea that he wants to repress the Christian Right. It's psychological with him."

Right. He's an equal opportunity oppressor.

54 posted on 01/18/2007 9:26:15 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: TommyDale
McCain should be rejected by anyone who has a sense of self respect.

See my tagline!

55 posted on 01/18/2007 9:26:34 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: neverdem

the real meat of the "reform" is the effort to silence the email and phone trees.

They want to silence outlets like FR.


56 posted on 01/18/2007 9:29:13 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: airborne

Hunter's a good choice. He'll need to get into the public eye early though, because he has no name recognition. I don't believe a member of the USHR has ever been elected president of the United States....something which can work in his favor as far as getting into the spotlight.


57 posted on 01/18/2007 9:36:22 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: neverdem

Too late, imo.

Flipper lives.


58 posted on 01/18/2007 9:39:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: cake_crumb
He'll need to get into the public eye early though, because he has no name recognition.

I'm doing my part!

59 posted on 01/18/2007 9:39:33 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: NeoCaveman

Trust McCain? Bwahahahahaha...I don't think so.......... He has a reason to change position....I have reason to ignore him.


60 posted on 01/18/2007 9:41:58 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: TommyDale
McCain wanted to stifle the Christian Right, but now that James Dobson is opposing him, McCain is changing his mind.

Waddya wanna bet McCain will demand that the Christian Right "owes him a favor" afterwards? Politicians don't give this stuff away for free, you know.

61 posted on 01/18/2007 9:42:13 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: airborne

You sure are, LOL!


62 posted on 01/18/2007 9:43:23 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"Congress shall make no law restricting speech or the exercise thereof"

Doesn't matter. The Constitution is what some judge says it is...

63 posted on 01/18/2007 9:52:42 AM PST by Truth29
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To: AmishDude

McCain is on the record as being hostile to the Christian Right, hence his smart-ass comments about Jerry Falwell after their meeting. He has burned the bridges to the Religious Right, and there is no mending them now.


64 posted on 01/18/2007 9:59:04 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I agree. McCain is a legend in his own mind, which is quite unstable even without drugs.


65 posted on 01/18/2007 10:00:11 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: cake_crumb
Who's asking for a "Free Wall?" I'm not a liberal. I have no problems paying for national security. Take the money we will save by not supporting all the illegal aliens and use it to keep them out. Heck... we'll probably save billions. Can you imagine the tax cuts our government will be able to give us if we stop paying for illgal's medical bills? Their food stamps? Housing? Children's (they can't have just one) education. How about all the money we will save not having to keep them in jail?

Let's also not forget about all the able bodied Americans on welfare that will then be able to finally work for what they receive instead of sitting on their lazy butts playing video games, shoplifting and collecting welfare (another money saving venture for us. End their welfare and give us back our money.)

Ship the illegals outta this country. Shoot them if they try to reenter and deal only with those people that respect our laws and sovereignty as a free nation.

TOM TANCREDO for President '08

66 posted on 01/18/2007 10:00:35 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn.)
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To: HoosierHawk
McCain is considered one of the most authoritative voices on ethics- and lobbying-related issues in the Senate.

It is both amazing and terrifying that a statement like this is presented as a fact in a news article. No evidence is presented to back up the statement (considered by whom?) We are to simply read it and accept it. Really, this is just an opinion that is passed of as fact, and the terrifying part is that all they do is make a statement, and people automatically accept it. It's the Big Lie in action.

67 posted on 01/18/2007 10:00:55 AM PST by webheart
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To: neverdem
" McCain is considered one of the most authoritative voices on ethics- and lobbying-related issues in the Senate."

Doesn't say much about their concept of ethics.

68 posted on 01/18/2007 10:01:23 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
" McCain is considered one of the most authoritative voices on ethics- and lobbying-related issues in the Senate."

Not by anyone that knows him.

69 posted on 01/18/2007 10:02:57 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn.)
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To: EndWelfareToday

That comment from the Hill was referring to those who know him in the Senate. I don't see the members of the Senate as being very ethical with regard to the rights of the people, including adhering to the very few laws that forbid infringement.


70 posted on 01/18/2007 10:13:44 AM PST by spunkets
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To: dirtboy
has told conservative activists that he will vote to strip a key provision >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

He was for the provision before he was against it.>>>>>>>>>>

McCain is beginning to see the RNC informal poll results on RINO candidiates. He realizes that he will never win the election , if he gets the nomination, and is now trying to rebuilt bridges he burned last year in his Gang of 14 activities in the Senate. He's like all politicians who fail to act on principle and resort to Machiavellien politics continuously, as the ass catches up with the head. He turns into a Kerry flip flopper.

The sooner McCain is gone the better. He simply needs retirement badly, real badly.

71 posted on 01/18/2007 10:30:07 AM PST by Candor7 (The hope of the West disappears into liberal flatulance, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

This provision affected some bloggers in "all groups". Unions and bloggers in other groups were exempted from it.


72 posted on 01/18/2007 10:32:46 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

McCain-Feingold is also unconstitutional but the Supreme Court gods didn't see it that way.

So we are stuck with legislation that may not be constitutional but it stands until it is ruled unconstitutional BY the Supreme Court. The Legislative Branch is not prohibited from submitted such law, the question is only whether it will stand.


73 posted on 01/18/2007 10:34:31 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: All
...While grassroots groups on both sides of the political spectrum oppose the proposal, social conservative leaders such as Dr. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, who broadcasts a radio program to hundreds of thousands of evangelical Christians, have been its most vehement critics...

What difference does all this make?... He is still a funny... just "posturing" for political convenience... That is what WELL PAID ** CONSULTANTES ** Suppose to do!... Transforming him into an "Altar-Boy."

The questions is... Are we so stupid as to buy it? :)

74 posted on 01/18/2007 10:47:33 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) - despite our differences)
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To: AmishDude

I suggest you look back on the Republican Primary debates from 2000.

On January 7, 2000, in a debate in South Carolina, candidates were asked to name their biggest mistake made as an adult and what they learned from it.

Orrin Hatch said he had made so many he couldn't name one.

Gary Bauer refused to discuss any personal mistakes.

Steve Forbes referred to editorials he had written calling for positions such as raising gas taxes.

Alan Keyes said that was between him and his priest.

George W. Bush said it was trading Sammy Sosa to the Cubs

John McCain said it was his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal, and said it "will always be a mark on my record and something that people will judge me for the rest of my life."

It's rather interesting the number of candidates, including Bush, who weaseled their way around that question.


75 posted on 01/18/2007 10:57:40 AM PST by eraser2005
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To: All

Okay...so McCainiac says the common people can't be trusted so we must be monitored religiously while Congress can do whatever the hell it wants without censure.

McCainiac says us Christians are scary people that are too close to the GOP.

Then the loser decides to run for President again, Dobson smacks him hard alongside the had announcing he'll never vote for him and his attempts to silence our free speech is part of the reason and suddenly he backtracks on his many years track record.

I hope all the people that have bashed Dobson and Christians (the Armey's of the world and certain people selfishly only concerned with their wants and needs mostly on the fiscal side) are taking note the ONLY reason McCain has reversed his stance (temporarily as it'll flip eventually) is because DOBSON spoke out against him and he wants the Christian Right's vote. Take note of who your real enemies are.

As to McCainiac, only one thing drives me right now since I do NOT Trust Republicans anymore then Dems right now. And that is taking down McCain in '08. Payback is coming for what he spent the last years doing that led to '06.


76 posted on 01/18/2007 11:23:30 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: weegee

MF is not unconstitutional. Congress is explicitly empowered to regulate federal elections. It is also one of the most ineffectual and easiest to get around laws I have ever seen. BAD law and unconstitutional law are not the same thing.


77 posted on 01/18/2007 11:28:57 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: TommyDale

Right.

Nothing he can do to make me support him. He had his chance when we needed him.

Too late now.


78 posted on 01/18/2007 11:30:07 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: weegee

I have seen nothing exempting Unions from the provisions under discussion.


79 posted on 01/18/2007 11:30:23 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: ClancyJ

You should like this news:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1769682/posts


80 posted on 01/18/2007 11:31:51 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

No, they are not on the same side.

They may be now that Dodson has mounted a massive campaign against this bill - but he knows McCain for what he is.


81 posted on 01/18/2007 11:31:54 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: webstersII

Nevermind - you won - we have no conservative party, we have no conservative representatives in Washington. The one we had doing all our fighting for us - has given up. One man can not do much in Washington.

Not true? Just listen to the news daily, just read FR and see how many hate Bush.

So - just forget about it - you won.


82 posted on 01/18/2007 11:33:34 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: NeoCaveman
I don't say this often but... Good for McCain.

Just don't get used to it.

83 posted on 01/18/2007 11:42:06 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech
Just don't get used to it.

I don't expect to do so.

84 posted on 01/18/2007 11:43:01 AM PST by NeoCaveman (yabba dabba dhue)
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To: neverdem

One more reason why this man can NOT be trusted.


85 posted on 01/18/2007 12:04:07 PM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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To: eraser2005

True, and good research. I should have been a bit more clear. I think that McCain sees the system as much of the reason he made his mistake. If the system hadn't been flawed, he thinks he wouldn't have been tempted to do this.


86 posted on 01/18/2007 12:55:30 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: neverdem

McCain really is a true whore. Nobody is going to respect him. He is caving for votes period. Nobody believes he has had a change of heart. He has a change in needing to target primary voters.

If he actually saw the light, it would be one thing. I would rather have an honest opponent than a weasel coming to my side just to kiss my tushy. McCain will flop right back the other way if ever elected President.


87 posted on 01/18/2007 1:11:22 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: neverdem

Duh, McCain; this man is extremely dangerous to this country and our freedoms.


88 posted on 01/18/2007 1:26:32 PM PST by veracious
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To: AmishDude

And that makes much more sense... :)


89 posted on 01/18/2007 1:47:19 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: neverdem

Reagan talked about the fact that, in his late life, the younger generation never knew the freedom that he knew. Let us not make it, that future generations will know even less freedom.


90 posted on 01/18/2007 2:50:05 PM PST by LtdGovt
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To: Truth29

"Doesn't matter. The Constitution is what some judge says it is..."

Heh. This is the time for my favorite Andrew Jackson quote. When faced with a Supreme Court ruling he disliked, he said, "Fine. Let's see the Court enforce this ruling--because I'm not going to."

The Executive Branch, as an equal Branch of government with the judicial and legislative, does not, and must not enforce laws that are contrary to the Constitution.


91 posted on 01/18/2007 2:50:08 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: NeoCaveman
I don't say this often but... Good for McCain.

It's not unheard of for me. The problem with Crazy McCain is that what he does too often seems to be based on the mood he woke up in that morning.

92 posted on 01/18/2007 2:55:23 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: neverdem

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!


93 posted on 01/18/2007 3:19:28 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: neverdem
If he wants to have a chance at all in the up and coming election...it'd be very wise of him. After the campaign finance bill...it's kinda hard to ever trust Cain.
94 posted on 01/18/2007 4:03:22 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: dirtboy

"He was for the provision before he was against it."

Drat! You beat me to the kerryism.


95 posted on 01/18/2007 4:24:35 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: maxter

"Perhaps the message of the people is starting to sink in. One can only hope."

I doubt it. But look on the bright side; the new political party that eventually replaces the GOP might actually turn out to be conservative.


96 posted on 01/18/2007 4:28:37 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: neverdem

Let me rewrite one sentence

"McCain (one of the Keating 5) is considered one of the most authoritative voices on ethics."

There. That's a tad better.

Here's an excerpt from wikipedia on the Keating 5 scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

"In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.

... After months of testimony revealed that all five senators acted improperly to differing degrees, the senators continually said they were following the status quo of campaign funding practices ...McCain also remained in the Senate and he made campaign finance reform a key legislative interest. The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform -- "


97 posted on 01/18/2007 4:29:53 PM PST by plain talk
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To: conservative blonde

Does "McLame" actually think us conservatives will change our "McMinds"....

As far as I am concerned, he is forever on my RHINO List....Like Dobson there is no way he will EVER garner any votes from me or mine.


98 posted on 01/18/2007 4:37:17 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Soul Seeker

"I hope all the people that have bashed Dobson and Christians (the Armey's of the world and certain people selfishly only concerned with their wants and needs mostly on the fiscal side) are taking note the ONLY reason McCain has reversed his stance (temporarily as it'll flip eventually) is because DOBSON spoke out against him and he wants the Christian Right's vote. Take note of who your real enemies are."

Interesting perspective. Thanks for the post.


99 posted on 01/18/2007 4:37:23 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: ClancyJ

"Not true? Just listen to the news daily, just read FR and see how many hate Bush."

That's an interesting point of view, and it has the painful sting of the truth. It's also somewhat ironic for me because while I'm no fan at all of the GOP, I voted for President Bush. And I've never regretted it.

It's interesting when one of the few open and notorious Democrats on FR is more of a President Bush supporter than many of the Republicans. Strange days, no?


100 posted on 01/18/2007 4:49:55 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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