Skip to comments.McCain does about-face on grassroots reform bill
Posted on 01/18/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by neverdem
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That's my guess. If McCain doesn't get the Repub nod for President, and if the Dems maintain their Senate majority in 2008, he'll switch parties is my best guess.
He knows he's a liberal and so do we. They'll not offer him much unless they end up with a tied Senate in 2008, but at least he'll be part of the leadership if the dems hold their majority.
Excuse me for asking this, but what about the Constitutionality of this provision? Amendment #1: Congress shall make no law restricting speech or the exercise thereof.
Doesn't leave any room for reporting requirements on your speech.
We know it's unconstitutional. Why doesn't anyone say that?
...it always pays to read the fine print.
Right. He's an equal opportunity oppressor.
See my tagline!
the real meat of the "reform" is the effort to silence the email and phone trees.
They want to silence outlets like FR.
Hunter's a good choice. He'll need to get into the public eye early though, because he has no name recognition. I don't believe a member of the USHR has ever been elected president of the United States....something which can work in his favor as far as getting into the spotlight.
Too late, imo.
I'm doing my part!
Trust McCain? Bwahahahahaha...I don't think so.......... He has a reason to change position....I have reason to ignore him.
Waddya wanna bet McCain will demand that the Christian Right "owes him a favor" afterwards? Politicians don't give this stuff away for free, you know.
You sure are, LOL!
Doesn't matter. The Constitution is what some judge says it is...
McCain is on the record as being hostile to the Christian Right, hence his smart-ass comments about Jerry Falwell after their meeting. He has burned the bridges to the Religious Right, and there is no mending them now.
I agree. McCain is a legend in his own mind, which is quite unstable even without drugs.
Ship the illegals outta this country. Shoot them if they try to reenter and deal only with those people that respect our laws and sovereignty as a free nation.
TOM TANCREDO for President '08
It is both amazing and terrifying that a statement like this is presented as a fact in a news article. No evidence is presented to back up the statement (considered by whom?) We are to simply read it and accept it. Really, this is just an opinion that is passed of as fact, and the terrifying part is that all they do is make a statement, and people automatically accept it. It's the Big Lie in action.
Doesn't say much about their concept of ethics.
Not by anyone that knows him.
That comment from the Hill was referring to those who know him in the Senate. I don't see the members of the Senate as being very ethical with regard to the rights of the people, including adhering to the very few laws that forbid infringement.
He was for the provision before he was against it.>>>>>>>>>>
McCain is beginning to see the RNC informal poll results on RINO candidiates. He realizes that he will never win the election , if he gets the nomination, and is now trying to rebuilt bridges he burned last year in his Gang of 14 activities in the Senate. He's like all politicians who fail to act on principle and resort to Machiavellien politics continuously, as the ass catches up with the head. He turns into a Kerry flip flopper.
The sooner McCain is gone the better. He simply needs retirement badly, real badly.
This provision affected some bloggers in "all groups". Unions and bloggers in other groups were exempted from it.
McCain-Feingold is also unconstitutional but the Supreme Court gods didn't see it that way.
So we are stuck with legislation that may not be constitutional but it stands until it is ruled unconstitutional BY the Supreme Court. The Legislative Branch is not prohibited from submitted such law, the question is only whether it will stand.
What difference does all this make?... He is still a funny... just "posturing" for political convenience... That is what WELL PAID ** CONSULTANTES ** Suppose to do!... Transforming him into an "Altar-Boy."
The questions is... Are we so stupid as to buy it? :)
I suggest you look back on the Republican Primary debates from 2000.
On January 7, 2000, in a debate in South Carolina, candidates were asked to name their biggest mistake made as an adult and what they learned from it.
Orrin Hatch said he had made so many he couldn't name one.
Gary Bauer refused to discuss any personal mistakes.
Steve Forbes referred to editorials he had written calling for positions such as raising gas taxes.
Alan Keyes said that was between him and his priest.
George W. Bush said it was trading Sammy Sosa to the Cubs
John McCain said it was his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal, and said it "will always be a mark on my record and something that people will judge me for the rest of my life."
It's rather interesting the number of candidates, including Bush, who weaseled their way around that question.
Okay...so McCainiac says the common people can't be trusted so we must be monitored religiously while Congress can do whatever the hell it wants without censure.
McCainiac says us Christians are scary people that are too close to the GOP.
Then the loser decides to run for President again, Dobson smacks him hard alongside the had announcing he'll never vote for him and his attempts to silence our free speech is part of the reason and suddenly he backtracks on his many years track record.
I hope all the people that have bashed Dobson and Christians (the Armey's of the world and certain people selfishly only concerned with their wants and needs mostly on the fiscal side) are taking note the ONLY reason McCain has reversed his stance (temporarily as it'll flip eventually) is because DOBSON spoke out against him and he wants the Christian Right's vote. Take note of who your real enemies are.
As to McCainiac, only one thing drives me right now since I do NOT Trust Republicans anymore then Dems right now. And that is taking down McCain in '08. Payback is coming for what he spent the last years doing that led to '06.
MF is not unconstitutional. Congress is explicitly empowered to regulate federal elections. It is also one of the most ineffectual and easiest to get around laws I have ever seen. BAD law and unconstitutional law are not the same thing.
Nothing he can do to make me support him. He had his chance when we needed him.
Too late now.
I have seen nothing exempting Unions from the provisions under discussion.
You should like this news:
No, they are not on the same side.
They may be now that Dodson has mounted a massive campaign against this bill - but he knows McCain for what he is.
Nevermind - you won - we have no conservative party, we have no conservative representatives in Washington. The one we had doing all our fighting for us - has given up. One man can not do much in Washington.
Not true? Just listen to the news daily, just read FR and see how many hate Bush.
So - just forget about it - you won.
Just don't get used to it.
I don't expect to do so.
One more reason why this man can NOT be trusted.
True, and good research. I should have been a bit more clear. I think that McCain sees the system as much of the reason he made his mistake. If the system hadn't been flawed, he thinks he wouldn't have been tempted to do this.
McCain really is a true whore. Nobody is going to respect him. He is caving for votes period. Nobody believes he has had a change of heart. He has a change in needing to target primary voters.
If he actually saw the light, it would be one thing. I would rather have an honest opponent than a weasel coming to my side just to kiss my tushy. McCain will flop right back the other way if ever elected President.
Duh, McCain; this man is extremely dangerous to this country and our freedoms.
And that makes much more sense... :)
Reagan talked about the fact that, in his late life, the younger generation never knew the freedom that he knew. Let us not make it, that future generations will know even less freedom.
"Doesn't matter. The Constitution is what some judge says it is..."
Heh. This is the time for my favorite Andrew Jackson quote. When faced with a Supreme Court ruling he disliked, he said, "Fine. Let's see the Court enforce this ruling--because I'm not going to."
The Executive Branch, as an equal Branch of government with the judicial and legislative, does not, and must not enforce laws that are contrary to the Constitution.
It's not unheard of for me. The problem with Crazy McCain is that what he does too often seems to be based on the mood he woke up in that morning.
Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!
"He was for the provision before he was against it."
Drat! You beat me to the kerryism.
"Perhaps the message of the people is starting to sink in. One can only hope."
I doubt it. But look on the bright side; the new political party that eventually replaces the GOP might actually turn out to be conservative.
Let me rewrite one sentence
"McCain (one of the Keating 5) is considered one of the most authoritative voices on ethics."
There. That's a tad better.
Here's an excerpt from wikipedia on the Keating 5 scandal
"In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.
... After months of testimony revealed that all five senators acted improperly to differing degrees, the senators continually said they were following the status quo of campaign funding practices ...McCain also remained in the Senate and he made campaign finance reform a key legislative interest. The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform -- "
Does "McLame" actually think us conservatives will change our "McMinds"....
As far as I am concerned, he is forever on my RHINO List....Like Dobson there is no way he will EVER garner any votes from me or mine.
"I hope all the people that have bashed Dobson and Christians (the Armey's of the world and certain people selfishly only concerned with their wants and needs mostly on the fiscal side) are taking note the ONLY reason McCain has reversed his stance (temporarily as it'll flip eventually) is because DOBSON spoke out against him and he wants the Christian Right's vote. Take note of who your real enemies are."
Interesting perspective. Thanks for the post.
"Not true? Just listen to the news daily, just read FR and see how many hate Bush."
That's an interesting point of view, and it has the painful sting of the truth. It's also somewhat ironic for me because while I'm no fan at all of the GOP, I voted for President Bush. And I've never regretted it.
It's interesting when one of the few open and notorious Democrats on FR is more of a President Bush supporter than many of the Republicans. Strange days, no?
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