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To: joan
Ruth Mitchell was not an American spy.

She was an American citizen who volunteered for the Chetniks.

There were certainly Croats, plenty of them, who were more than happy to become fascists and German clients.

But the Croats never voted any fascists into power.

I am as skeptical of Serbian website accounts of Croat malfeasance as I am skeptical of Croat website accounts of Serb malfeasance.

Both sides are so embittered I cannot take anything one says about the other at face value.

18 posted on 01/16/2007 1:44:19 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Then you tell us how many ethnic Croats were imprisoned by the Germans during WWII.

You ever hear of any? Can you name any?

Do you have any photos of Germans hanging Croats like there are photos of Germans hanging and shooting Serb civilians, including women?

23 posted on 01/16/2007 2:29:25 PM PST by joan
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To: wideawake
But the Croats never voted any fascists into power.

They voted Tuđman in, didn't they?

25 posted on 01/16/2007 3:30:28 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: wideawake

http://www.jasenovac.org/whatwasjasenovac.php

From August 1941 to April 1945, hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, and Romas, as well as anti-fascists of many nationalities, were murdered at the death camp known as Jasenovac. Estimates of the total numbers of men, women and children killed there range from 300,000 to 700,000. And yet, despite the scale of the crimes committed there, most of the world has never heard of Jasenovac.

Following the Nazi invasion and dismemberment of Yugoslavia in April 1941, the "Independent State of Croatia" was established as a pro-Nazi government. It was dedicated to a clerical-fascist ideology influenced both by Nazism and extreme Roman Catholic fanaticism. On coming to power, the Ustashe Party dictatorship in Croatia quickly commenced on a systematic policy of racial extermination of all Serbs, Jews and Romas living within its borders.

Jasenovac was actually a complex of five major and three smaller "special" camps spread out over 240 square kilometers (150 square miles) in south-central Croatia. Along with hundreds of thousands of Serbs, some 25,000 Jews and at least 30,000 Romas were murdered in these camps. The names of some 20,000 murdered children of all three nationalities collected thus far by historians provides only a hint of the scale of the crimes committed there against children. Jasenovac is also known for having been one of the most barbaric death camps of the Holocaust for the extreme cruelty in which its victims were tortured and murdered. Jasenovac was not the only death camp in fascist occupied Yugoslavia, but it was by far the largest and the one in which a majority of the some one million victims of racial genocide in World War II fascist Croatia were exterminated.


31 posted on 01/17/2007 6:39:59 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: wideawake; All
I. THE CREATION OF THE INDEPENDENT STATE OF CROATIA - 1941 After the short-lived war in April of 1941, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was divided among the aggressor countries: Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Horti's Hungary and Boris III's Bulgaria. In the meantime, while the war was still being fought, the founding of the Ustasha's Independent State of Croatia (abbreviated as NDH from the Serbo-Croatian "Nezavisna Država Hrvatska") was proclaimed on April 10, 1941; territories besides those which were traditionally settled by the Croats were grafted into this state, including all of Bosnia- Herzegovina and parts of Serbia. There were more than two million Serbs living in the newly created puppet state, who made up one third of the entire population of the NDH. There were also significant numbers of Jews, Romanies and members of other national groups. As soon as the NDH was proclaimed, the leader of this Italo-German fabrication, the head of the Ustasha named Ante Pavelić, began to carry out the Ustasha's program of the creation of a "purely Croatian area for living" and a "pure Croat nation". Namely, since the Ustasha were extreme nationalists, chauvinists and racists, they began to build their own state and institutions which reflected those of Nazi Germany. According to their ideologists, the condition for the creation of a purely Croatian state would be the expulsion of the Serbs ("Greek-Easterners"), the Jews ("Židovi") and the Romanies ("Gypsies"). Claiming that the Serbs were both racially and religiously different from the Croats, they killed them, deported them or forcibly converted them. The Jews and Romanies were to be completely annihilated as they were considered to be lower races. The Ustasha government and its jurisdiction passed a series of laws, orders and regulations by which Nazi-fascist methods of terror and ethnic genocide were made legal (the Regulation on the Outlawing of the Cyrillic Alphabet, the Regulation on Racial Affiliation, the Regulation on Citizenship, the Regulation on Conversion from One Religion to Another, and so on). Yet, the most massive crime against the Serbs, Jews and Romanies was carried out outside the framework of those laws and legal documents. The Ustasha acted on their racial, religious and national intolerance without regard for any kind of laws or norms. The Ustasha government was supported by the greater part of the Catholic clergy and the Muslim religious community, and the Croatian Peasant also pledged their allegiance to the Ustasha government.
32 posted on 01/17/2007 6:48:04 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: wideawake
>>>>>She was an American citizen who volunteered for the Chetniks.<<<<<

So what? There were many patriotic Croats in Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (official name of "Chetniks"). Major Zvonko Vuckovic, a Croat, was a commanding officer of 1st Chetnik Corps. There were Slovenes, as well as over 10,000 Bosnian Muslims.

They were few. The rest of the Croats and Muslims were busy fighting for Hitler and Pavelic.

133 posted on 01/22/2007 5:51:10 PM PST by DTA (Mr. President., Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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