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More guns equal more murders in U.S. states: study
Reuters (via Yahoo) ^ | Jan 11 2007 | Reuters (unattributed)

Posted on 01/11/2007 9:10:14 PM PST by coloradan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American states where more people own guns have higher murder rates, including murders of children, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health reported on Thursday.

The study, certain to provoke arguments in a country where gun ownership is an important political issue, found that about one in three U.S. households reported firearm ownership.

"Our findings suggest that in the United States, household firearms may be an important source of guns used to kill children, women and men, both on the street and in their homes," said Matthew Miller, assistant professor of health policy and injury prevention, who led the study.

His team used data from a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention survey of 200,000 people in all 50 states.

After dividing the states into four groups based on how many households had guns, the researchers found the states in the highest quartile of firearm ownership had overall homicide rates 60 percent higher than states in the lowest quartile.

In states with the most guns, firearm homicide rates were 114 percent higher, the researchers reported in the February issue of Social Science and Medicine.

More than 200 million guns are privately owned in the United States, according to the Justice Department.

In September, the FBI released 2005 figures showing violent crime had risen 2.3 percent nationally -- the first increase in four years.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; agitprop; bang; banglist; bullshit; correlation; notcausation
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More antigun agitprop. No mention of legal gun ownership vs. illegal gun onwership, no mention of justifiable homicides vs. murders, no mention of lives saved vs. lives taken. In other words, just what we can expect from Academia, and eagerly reported by Roto-Rooters.
1 posted on 01/11/2007 9:10:16 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
Consider the source of the study: Harvard.

Consider the source of the article: ROOOOOOTERS ~ Giving smoke and mirrors a bad name since 1937.

'Nuff said!
2 posted on 01/11/2007 9:14:21 PM PST by upchuck (The American coup de grĂ¢ce is well on its way. Thus far, the Donks haven't had to fire a shot.)
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To: coloradan

Quick let's ban all guns and save all of the children. It came from Harvard so you know there won't be a slant to this report.


3 posted on 01/11/2007 9:14:52 PM PST by VanB
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To: upchuck
American states where more people own guns have higher murder rates, including murders of children, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health reported on Thursday.

The first line is either an outright lie, or they didn't bother getting to my State.

4 posted on 01/11/2007 9:15:19 PM PST by Domandred
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To: coloradan

Did the study also say that per-capita deaths in major blue dem controlled thresholds were also greater?


5 posted on 01/11/2007 9:17:06 PM PST by umgud (The profound is only so to those that it is.)
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All,

Gee, and guess what Harvard & Reuters? Anyone who "owns" a firearm and shoots someone without just cause is a filthy criminal who should be jailed or executed. So there you go, straight from another REAL gunowner.

~ Blue Jays ~

6 posted on 01/11/2007 9:17:44 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: coloradan

lol! What about DC, strictest gun laws in teh nation and highest murder rates.


7 posted on 01/11/2007 9:18:16 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: coloradan

Watch out. The DemoRats will be coming out with their anti gun agenda verrrrry soon.
This so called unsubstantiated news is fodder.


8 posted on 01/11/2007 9:18:57 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: upchuck
said Matthew Miller, assistant professor of health policy and injury prevention, who led the study.

A half notch above a grad student. And, as you say, consider the source. It certainly doesn't take a genius to see who's got an axe to grind. Well, maybe it does, since apparently no one in the media can draw a line from point A to point B.

9 posted on 01/11/2007 9:20:19 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: coloradan

No doubt that law abiding citizens will feel a greater need to own guns if they live in high crime areas.


10 posted on 01/11/2007 9:25:19 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: coloradan
...American states where more people own guns have higher murder rates...

Well if I lived where there were a lot of murders I'd want to protect myself with a gun too! Now does that cart go before or after that horse?

11 posted on 01/11/2007 9:25:24 PM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: traviskicks

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html

Check out DC: 35.4 per 100K, nobody else is even close


12 posted on 01/11/2007 9:25:54 PM PST by Domandred
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To: coloradan
based on how many households had guns,

If what they looked is the total number of households that own guns then the most populous states would be in the top quarter and the least populous states would be in the bottom quarter. Then all that the study shows is that the homicide rate is higher in more populous states.

14 posted on 01/11/2007 9:29:18 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Domandred
After dividing the states into four groups based on how many households had guns, the researchers found the states in the highest quartile of firearm ownership had overall homicide rates 60 percent higher than states in the lowest quartile.

In states with the most guns, firearm homicide rates were 114 percent higher, the researchers reported in the February issue of Social Science and Medicine.

Not that there is anything proving or disproving my possible explanation of this study, but here it is. The statements above are an interesting use of the English language. There is not one statement in this article says a higher percentage of gun ownership, it always says more households with guns and states with more guns. While one might assume that percentage is implied, I don't trust academics with an agenda.

For example if you took North Dakota and New York, there is a higher number of guns in New York and a much higher murder rate, but as a percentage North Dakota probably has more guns. I would like to know which states fall into the respective "quartiles" of this study. It might be enlightening.

15 posted on 01/11/2007 9:30:12 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: o_zarkman44
Watch out. The DemoRats will be coming out with their anti gun agenda verrrrry soon. This so called unsubstantiated news is fodder.

I don't think they will come out with too much gun grabbing legislation yet, I think they are going to use propaganda like this to condition the masses for the next two years in hopes that they will get a Marxist Gun Grabber elected President in 08.

16 posted on 01/11/2007 9:30:40 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: coloradan
Harvard School of Public Health, IIRC, is a Soros front org.
17 posted on 01/11/2007 9:31:32 PM PST by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: c-b 1
And if it's Obama....
18 posted on 01/11/2007 9:32:23 PM PST by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: c-b 1
Marxist Gun Grabber elected President in 08.

You mean like Hillary, Giuliani, or Romney? Yikes! The only somewhat reasonable guy on this issue is McCain- and its not uncommon for him to side with the libs on a few RKBA things.
19 posted on 01/11/2007 9:34:22 PM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: coloradan

The study was partially funded by the Joyce Foundation, in Chicago, which has "gun violence" as one of its agenda items:

"The Gun Violence Program supports efforts to bring the firearms industry under comprehensive consumer product health and safety oversight..."

Nowhere on their Web site could I find the names of its board members.

http://www.joycefdn.org/programs/gunviolence/gunviolencemain-fs.html

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However, when I Googled the Joyce Foundation, lo and behold!!!:

"A notable recent member of the Joyce Foundation's Board of Directors was Barack Obama, who ran successfully as the Democratic candidate for an Illinois Senate seat in 2004."


And check out who they've funded...

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5310

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20 posted on 01/11/2007 9:34:47 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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