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1 posted on 01/05/2007 7:13:34 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman
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I quit...


2 posted on 01/05/2007 7:15:29 AM PST by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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Is anyone other than me predicting violent revolution, if this becomes law?


3 posted on 01/05/2007 7:16:15 AM PST by Brilliant
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It will be interesting to see how many of these secretive type documents GW signs in his final midnight hours of his last day in the Oval Office.


7 posted on 01/05/2007 7:19:10 AM PST by TomGuy
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This report seemed to have received scant attention:

New amnesty push likely in 07 by Bush, Dems
  Posted by Mount Athos
On 01/04/2007 7:32:40 AM CST · 14 replies · 209+ views


Marietta Daily Journal ^ | Wednesday, January 3 | D.A. King
Five years into the war on terror, most Americans desperately hoped 2006 would be "the year" for solutions to the long national nightmare of intentionally unsecured borders and the resulting illegal immigration crisis. For many, the dream was that at a minimum, we would begin to see border security and immigration law enforcement similar to what Mexicans still living in Mexico enjoy. It didn't happen. According to a report released in late 2006 by the House Committee of Homeland Security, up to 10 million people entered the United States illegally and un-inspected last year. Georgia watched as its population of...

9 posted on 01/05/2007 7:21:03 AM PST by TomGuy
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Once again our government advances the interests of non-citizens (lawbreakers all) at the expense of its own people. Who, then, is representing our interests?
Before anyone posts something about us having similar agreements with several other countries, let me point out that none of those agreements are with Third World countries with economies like Mexico. This is a thorough and deliberate screwing of Americans who have paid in to Social Security for their entire working lives. Next we will be told we are "selfish" for not wanting to provide 75 million Mexicans with SS benefits. I suspect the signing of this agreement will be Bush's final act in office. I think we should ask every single presidential hopeful, however deluded, what they think about this proposed treaty.


10 posted on 01/05/2007 7:22:12 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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Guess it's time to call the WH...but I'm not holding my breath.

I, too, find little green men in saucers more plausible than seeing any SS benefits when I retire.

I hope no one is insane enough to think SS will help in their golden years.

14 posted on 01/05/2007 7:25:51 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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And because I was fortunate enough in the 60's and 70's to be a stay at home Mom I'm now paying the penalty for that. I can't collect my own SS as I don't have enough credit hours so depend on 1/2 of my husbands SS earnings. And yet if I were an illegal......working in USA for as little as 18 months I could collect SS. Something wrong with this picture and yet today it doesn't surprise me in the least. Thanks to our own government this is today's America...............


15 posted on 01/05/2007 7:28:15 AM PST by grannyheart2000
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Why do American citizens have to have 40 quarters and they only have to have a short time?


18 posted on 01/05/2007 7:28:34 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Rudy 2008)
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OUTSTANDING!

I say we include everyone in Canada and Mexico!

Let's bankrupt the system sooner than later.

Once everyone has come to realize there is no way we are going to be able to fulfill the obligations as currently promised let alone adding more people, we can get on with the business of developing a system we can actually pay for!
20 posted on 01/05/2007 7:28:59 AM PST by SomeoneNeedsToSayIt
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In a review requested by Congress, the Government Accounting Office said the agreement with Mexico involves "highly uncertain" costs and would affect the long-term solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund if the SSA has underestimated the number of beneficiaries by more than 25%.

Prediction: the underestimation will be greater than 25%. The Feds will shift the burden to legal taxpayers (regardless of citizenship) through increased taxes and reduced Social Security benefits.

Social Security benefits can be reduced in a number of ways (direct cuts, fuzzy math to keep annual COLAs less than the real rate of inflation, printing more money, etc.) and increasing both FICA and other taxes (like income taxes). The Feds may also reallocate funding from other government services (education, defense, etc.) to social spending. The Feds may increase borrowing.

Add in a nationalized health care plan, and this could be a recipe for disaster.

It's like a game of musical chairs, except you don't want to be the one without a chair (i.e., left to pay the bill) at the end of the day.

22 posted on 01/05/2007 7:31:04 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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This is the second article I've read about this, but I still haven't learned HOW ILLEGAL ALIENS CAN PROVE ANY MONTHS OF PAYING SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES!!! So, how can they claim benefits? If this is about those with green cards, it's bad enough, but not quite the absurdity that's presented.


25 posted on 01/05/2007 7:32:56 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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This is so wrong.


27 posted on 01/05/2007 7:34:53 AM PST by tioga
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This whole thing is amazing. I've paid SS every year since I was 18. I'm eligable for reduced benefits a year from August at 62, so I'm signing up, getting what I can, and assuming that the social security scam will come crashing down at any time. No big disappointment, because I never planned to retire until I die anyway. I'm just PO'd about the money that they stole from me for my entire life.

I won't revolt, but I live in the woods and have guns. I like to think that if it gets bad enough, I will make a stand and take a few of the fish droppings (bass turds) with me.


29 posted on 01/05/2007 7:38:11 AM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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Let's see, they illegally come to the country, steal someone identity, work at jobs Americans don't want, and then draw Social Security.

OK, someone tell me how we know where to send the SS check, when we don't know who they are? We can't deport because we don't know who they are, right? I smell a dead rat.
30 posted on 01/05/2007 7:38:49 AM PST by Tarpon
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Ever wonder if Algore would have sold us out like this?


32 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:21 AM PST by Oldhunk
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"Our system is progressive, meaning lower-income workers get more than they paid in. Mexican participants get back only what they pay in, plus interest."

So far I've contributed six figures to Social Security. I still have at least fifteen years to go in the workforce. If I renounce my citizenship, can I get in on this sweetheart deal as well?
35 posted on 01/05/2007 7:42:23 AM PST by BraveMan
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Could it be that the politicians are preparing for the SS system collapse thus designing a plausible out for themselves by giving SS to illegal Mexicans? Just another legitimate mistake?
38 posted on 01/05/2007 7:45:12 AM PST by drypowder
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Another day another betrayal of US taxpayers what else is new?
40 posted on 01/05/2007 7:47:07 AM PST by jpsb
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Message from Mexico: THANK YOU GRINGOS - ALL YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ARE BELONG TO US NOW.

I suggest Americans learn how to adapt to the Mexican style Social Security System: It involves getting a bowl when you turn 65 and an assigned corner on a busy street. Panhandle well - your retirement may depend on it.


43 posted on 01/05/2007 7:55:29 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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This is breathtaking. I've been suspect of all those Jerome Corsi articles about a North American Union, but this is a smoking gun that indicates he may be right.

It's bad enough my contributions are entirely earmarked for the Baby Boomers. It's offensive and damn-near tyrannical to take my hard-earned money and give it to illegal aliens ahead of citizens. And I've been very VERY lenient in my views toward illegal aliens. I've always held the position that it's wrong to deport and separate families because one or both of the parents are illegals. But this is a whole different ballgame. This time, it's not the illegal alien gaming the system, it's the government gaming it's own system at our expense. I'm almost too offended to be outraged, only stupefied in silence.

Trust no one in Washington. We truly have no goverment by the people - only judges, elitest pols, and the MSM.


47 posted on 01/05/2007 8:05:51 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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